JLarkin Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 I know that this site features a conservative love-fest, but with all the attacks Martin faced, he stood his ground and fired back with poise. 1st Half belongs to Martin... Quote
BigGunner Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 I know that this site features a conservative love-fest, but with all the attacks Martin faced, he stood his ground and fired back with poise.1st Half belongs to Martin... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote
maplesyrup Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 I know that this site features a conservative love-fest, Well at least you got that part right. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Slavik44 Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 If you watch Global T.V they have a little graph on the bottom about what viewers think of what the candidates are saying, and every time Mratin opens his mouth it goes into the negative, or strongly disagree, I won't base thsi on my opinion because obviously it is slightly biased to say Harper is doing the best. However the viewers have said overwhlemingly that Martin is the worst, people are more receptive to gilles duceepe's ideas then Martin's. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
Argus Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 I know that this site features a conservative love-fest, but with all the attacks Martin faced, he stood his ground and fired back with poise.1st Half belongs to Martin... My impression: Harper seems to be winning simply because he's making a better impression. Martin is being ignorant, frankly. The guy won't shut up. He keeps overriding everyone else, even though he's not saying much of anything. He refuses to shut up until the moderators intervene or he gets shouted down. He's being a yappy loudmouth and being rude to everyone else, making accusations, and ignoring questions. Jack Layton - this is the first time I've seen him for this long, and what's with the stupid smile? The guy looks like some kind of salesman or a carnival huckster. Honest to God he looks like one of those people on the late night sales shows. I expect him to walk over in front of an exercise machine or something and tell how it'll give me great abs. And if he thinks nobody noticed how he ignored the question "Your answer to health care seems to simply throw more money at it." well, I noticed. Harper isn't exactly Mr. Excitement, but he seems stable, moderate, intelligent, and well-spoken. He's not irritating me like Layton, and not making loud, empty mouth noises like Martin. Gilles Duceppe seems okay. He's not setting things on fire, of course, and has the language impediment the others had yesterday. He seems stable and intelligent, though, and gives a better impression than Martin and Layton. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
idealisttotheend Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 I think that Mr. Martin did okay actually. He has to fight the fact that he is the "too long incumbent" but he looked Prime Ministerial. Harper lacked passion and looked slightly flustered but he held his own. Layton looked goofy sometimes but also did okay when he was sincere. Duceppe made a lot of sense on most issues but then we can't vote for him now can we? I think Martin will rebound slightly in the polls, everyone else will hold steady. But I am now thinking that there will be a Con minority. Personally I hope not but that is my prediction unless someone of the old Allinace-Conservative group open their mouths too wide. Quote All too often the prize goes, not to who best plays the game, but to those who make the rules....
Alliance Fanatic Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 I like how Martin did'nt answer the question on pedophiles rights. Martin always answered a question with another question, Canadian's were'nt impressed. I thought that Harper made a good point when he said a large portion on minority groups are against gay marriage, and Mr Martin has not called them racists or bigots. The fact is that both Paul Martin and Jack Layton have the same thing in common, they both believe that even if unelected judges decided in favor of child pornograhy they would not use the notwithstanding clause to protect children. IF USING THE NOTWITHSTANDING CLAUSE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL WHY IS IT PUT IN THE CHARTER Quote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" - George Orwell's Animal Farm
Slavik44 Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Well two image consultants were reviewing the debate, they bascialyl said martin looked Frantic, it looked like he was giving a speech not participating in a debate. they said the biggest problem with layton is he acted and looked to much like a car salesman, They said duceppe looked stern and thoughtfull, and Harper looked relaxed and more like a statesmen then any other. So to say Martin was poised goes agaisnt the experts. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
takeanumber Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Martin pwned Harper. The quote about firing a gay person. Bravo! It was dead on the money. Harper wants to take away human rights from homosexuals. Martin called him on it. And it was great to see Harper stammer, and stammer. Terrific stuff! Quote
August1991 Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 In the closing remarks, was I the only one who saw Martin hesitate after Duceppe pointedly asked him to come clean? Martin just read his set piece and made absolutely no reference to the sponsorship scandal. Quote
caesar Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Judges should NOT be elected; they should be appointed on their qualifications. the people are not equipped nor able to check their qualifications and records. we don't need our judicial system run by elected people. They tend to attempt to solve a "big case" regardless of whether the accused is guilty or innocent. Justice goes out the window; when it can be used to get the prosecutor re elected. Quote
odie441 Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Martin came across as a frantic man fighting a losing battle. When the discussion of defence came about, the man spouted so much BS! We had Canadian aircraft and Canadian aircrews flying cargo into coalition front line bases on a daily basis. We had survailence flying 24/7 providing data to the coalition commanders. It just wasn't Canadians on exchange with other militaries. The discussion about ships was laughable! Martin says we need hospital ships and troop ships. What the heck does he think a helo carrier is? Martin makes it sound like he would have to buy 6 new ships to cover his defence plan. The two helo carrier's are all in one, troop carrier, hospital ship and equipment carrier. Martin uses the phrase aircraft carrier so the uninformed instantly think the expensive supercarriers of the USN. Martin also said something that proves he has no concept of military operations that I laughed at rather hard. He told Harper that you don't move large amounts of troops by ship but by big aircraft. WRONG!!!! You get your recce and forward ops forces on the ground with their equipment by using the large transport aircraft if possible and than you send the main element there by ship. Remember the incident where the CF equipment was held hostage on a civilian ship? As for the issue of gay marriage, I believe in a live and let live policy. Having said that, it should be up to the people not government or the courts. On this issue I think a national referendum is required. I am pretty sure the majority of Canadians would vote and we would get a better result of how the nation really feels. The gay community would never allow this to happen because they would lose this one! Marriage is for procreation and is an institution of the church. I do believe that. Civil union is another story all together. I am all for that. Martin should by now be aware and know that the days of Liberal corruption, graft and pork barrel politics are gone! I have already voted and it was conservative! Quote
playfullfellow Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Sheesh, had a storm move through the area and took out the satellite signal for most of the debate. Only caught a little here and there. I really wish I would have seen more of it. The very little I did see showed Harper and Duceppe quite controlled and reflective in their responses. Layton had that goofy grin on his face which took away a lot from his responses. It was really hard to take him seriously. Martin looked like he using every ounce of will power to stay in control of his emotions and not show panic.Just because you are the loudest or most long winded does not mean you own a debate. Most fools speak before they think. Quote
takeanumber Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 In the closing remarks, was I the only one who saw Martin hesitate after Duceppe pointedly asked him to come clean? Martin just read his set piece and made absolutely no reference to the sponsorship scandal. Harper was distracting him by standing right at him and shaking his head. I also thought that Martin was choking on some rage, which is understandable. Here's my list of those who showed the least Decorum. 1. Layton. What an animal. No respect for anybody. Asks a question and doesn't shut up. TOTAL clock hogger. (And his tone of voice towards Harper was way off base.) 2. Duceppe. There were times where he was shouting, just shouting at the top of his lungs. He was using his most polite tone though. But still, the shouting was rough. 3. Harper/Martin (tied). Both continued talking when it wasn't their turn, but at a regular, normal tone and volume. Still rude. But often they were being interrupted. No excuse for some patches though. Quote
August1991 Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Layton had that goofy grin on his face which took away a lot from his responses. Playful, your comment is identical to most comments in Quebec after the French debate. In addition, Layton has a colloquial French accent but lacks vocabulary. The general view was negative. [On points, I thought Layton did well in the French debate. But I have to agree that his style was not right.] Quote
Kiraly Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Harper was distracting him by standing right at him and shaking his head. You mean he was like standing right beside him.... ...SHAKING HIS HEAD! Why didn't the moderator disqualify Harper. For the sake of all things great and small, this is Canada damnit... ...we should not be subjected to such insolent behavour. I was going to vote for Harper, but I've changed my mind... ...I'm voting for Quimby. Quote
Goldie Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 So now it is all over and the country has stated Mr. Harper has won. Quote
idealisttotheend Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Mr. Harper has won nothing. I think he will get his minority but won't be able to govern because no one will support him. In fact if the NDP get enough seats the Libs and NDP will get a coalition going and may be able to govern that way since the Bloc can probably deal with the Liberals better than the Cons (Duceppe didn't seem very interested in working with Harper during the debate). But Mr. Martin will have lost and that will shake his confidence profoundly and that of his party in him. Quote All too often the prize goes, not to who best plays the game, but to those who make the rules....
takeanumber Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Harper, with his 'principles', will probably go down faster than Clark. Quote
Argus Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Judges should NOT be elected; they should be appointed on their qualifications. And those qualifications are:How friendly are you with our party? How much have you done for our party? How much have you contributed to our party? Do you believe in the same things as our party? Will you interpret laws the way our party wants? Intelligence? Wisdom? Legal knowledge? Judgement? Not important. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Martin pwned Harper.The quote about firing a gay person. Bravo! It was dead on the money. Harper wants to take away human rights from homosexuals. Martin called him on it. And it was great to see Harper stammer, and stammer. Terrific stuff! The important issues in this election, in order, according to Takeanumber. 1 Gay rights 2 Gay rights 3 Gay rights 4 Abortion rights 5 Gay rights 6 Gay rights 7 Gay rights 8 Gay rights 9 Gay rights 10 Health care Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Harper, with his 'principles', will probably go down faster than Clark. I can see where a diehard Liberal would be aghast at the thought of a man with principles. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BQSupporter Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Poll gives Harper boost as leaders target Ontario Martin puts focus on Charter but can't slow Harper's surge By CAMPBELL CLARK, BRIAN LAGHI and STEVEN CHASE From Wednesday's Globe and Mail Ottawa — Paul Martin and Stephen Harper both head today to the key battlegrounds of Southern Ontario after last night's bruising English-language leaders debate, but the Conservative Leader appears to be taking with him a clear edge. Liberal advisers had insisted that the Conservative Leader's momentum had stalled in Ontario just as the two men prepared to focus their final struggle on dozens of ridings in that province that could decide the winner of the June 28 election. But an instant survey of 2,107 Canadians who watched last night's English-language debate suggests Mr. Martin did not reignite the Liberal campaign with his performance, as 37 per cent said they believed Mr. Harper was the winner, compared to 24 per cent for Mr. Martin. Another 18 per cent said NDP Leader Jack Layton won. (The Ipsos-Reid poll was conducted on the Internet with a pre-arranged sample of Canadians who said they are likely to vote. It is considered accurate within 2.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.) "If Paul Martin was going to deliver new momentum for his campaign, it didn't happen tonight," said Ipsos-Reid president Darrell Bricker. Quote
maplesyrup Posted June 17, 2004 Report Posted June 17, 2004 Survey confirms debate fears A national opinion poll conducted for Sun Media in the wake of the televised leaders debates this week is certain to confirm the worst suspicions of all right-thinking Canadians. Surprise, surprise. The vast majority of Canadians were utterly turned off by the four suits in a sandbox, and simply tuned out these embarrassing two-hour shouting matches all together. What does Greg mean by right-thinking Canadians? Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
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