Esq Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 How many years was Ignatieff out of Canada? Guess who's not a Albertan? Where is he living right now... Ontario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Saipan do you more strongly identify with your formative years as your identify of who you are than your adult years? It's not about Saipan. Ignatieff was adult in USA since he supposedly was teaching. Apply this same thing to Harper having been born and raised in Toronto. Do you think he is more of a person who is Ontarian, or Albertan? CANADIAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Also take into account where he has lived for the last 10 years. So what? I spent last 42 years here. But I cannot be PM. 11 year old Mexican could have spent 10 years in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 So what? I spent last 42 years here. But I cannot be PM. You can't? You mean to say you aren't a citizen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esq Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 You can't? You mean to say you aren't a citizen? Well it clearly doensn't conform to Article II, Section I, Clause 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 You can't? You mean to say you aren't a citizen? Yes, I'm citizen. I'm in Canada longer than most Canadians but cannot be PM because I wasn't born here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Yes, I'm citizen. I'm in Canada longer than most Canadians but cannot be PM because I wasn't born here. Ummmm, you can be PM if you weren't born here. Perhaps you should start brushing up on your constitutional law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esq Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Ummmm, you can be PM if you weren't born here. Perhaps you should start brushing up on your constitutional law. Isn't that a prequalification for being PM these days, not knowing constitutional law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Ummmm, you can be PM if you weren't born here. Perhaps you should start brushing up on your constitutional law. Maybe I should. Do you have link to that? (without reading thousand pages) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 The office of the Prime Minister isn't outlined in the Constitution. There are no actual criterion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Maybe I should. Do you have link to that? (without reading thousand pages) I think it's you who should first provide a source to back up your claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I think it's you who should first provide a source to back up your claim. I don't see your sources for any "claim". I just guessed that if President must be born in the USA so would Prime Ministers. But feel free to show otherwise. Can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esq Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Anyone can be PM, the Governor General picks them. The criteria is generally that they shall hold the office so long as parliament has confidence in them to perform the post. Any member of Privy Council may advice the Governor General, however the Prime Minister is seen as "first among equals". That is generally why relevance of position and cabinet tends to dominate "current affairs". However a majority of parliament can "veto" the PM, by proposing an alternative government (and usually PM as a result). That is if they elect someone to form an alternate government. Canada is only partisan as an effect of developments in the standard of parliament. Parties tend to be able to create more stable goverments becuase they are relatively static compared to groups of independents on a short term basis. There are contradictory rules for executive positions. There is a trend towards commons rule since around 1900. This means that the PM and cabinet are from the "current" commoners. This is not universally true however. The PM sits at the grace of the Governor General and may be removed. The PM is not an elected post but an appointed one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esq Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 To be PM you must generally: 1. Get a Majority of Parliament to support you for the post. (hold the confidence of parliament) 2. Convince the Governor General to appoint you (most likely on recommendation of Privy Council) That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) I just guessed that if President must be born in the USA so would Prime Ministers. I can't imagine why you'd think such a thing; prime ministers of Canada aren't analogous to presidents of the United States. But, as it was you who made the claim, it's you who should demonstrate its truth. I suspect, though, that you're now at least unsure of its verity. If that's true, then it's good; the Prime Minister of Canada doesn't have to be born in Canada. There is no stipulation in any law and no convention that requires it. One has to be a citizen to be elected to parliament, but the prime minister doesn't even have to be a Member of Parliament. The head of government merely has to be someone who can command the confidence of the House of Commons. [c/e] Edited January 17, 2011 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 No wonder then that someone who comes from hellhole like Haiti can be the "Commander" of our army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I don't see your sources for any "claim". I just guessed that if President must be born in the USA so would Prime Ministers. But feel free to show otherwise. Can you? A hostory book would aid you. Where do you think John A was born? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I can't imagine why you'd think such a thing; prime ministers of Canada aren't analogous to presidents of the United States. Yes, it's very difficult to imagine two North American countries, speaking English with the same accent, and people of the same origin (even same horoscope ) Maybe Mexicans changed them Like you said: "I think it's you who should first provide a source to back up your claim." You made the claim ,I made guess that I don't insist on. So here's the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinko Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Saipan is a confused Czech. He has a liking for oppression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Saipan is a confused Czech. He has a liking for oppression. Yes, they occupy Tibet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Good Lord! We have had 4- that's FOUR- prime ministers who were not North American born, John Turner being the most recent. Saipan, if you have so little grasp of the rudimentary civics of this country, you have more nerve than a bad tooth to comment at all about the politics and political structure of the place. You should be ashamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Good Lord! I'm so ashamed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Yes, it's very difficult to imagine two North American countries, speaking English with the same accent, and people of the same origin (even same horoscope Well, the accents aren't the same, but that's beside the point. I didn't say anything about culture or language; I said the Prime Minister of Canada is not analogous to the President of the United States; hence, I can't understand why anyone would think the requirements of office would be similar for both. However, Canadian prime ministers have, of late, loved to present themselves as though they were the equivalent in Canada of the president in the US; so, I can sort of understand your confusion. I made guess that I don't insist on. You didn't make a guess, you made a statement. Yes, I'm citizen. I'm in Canada longer than most Canadians but cannot be PM because I wasn't born here. But, yes, you do seem to have insisted on it no further than the above. I suppose, then, that the matter's settled. You're free to become PM! Aren't you happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Well, the accents aren't the same, but that's beside the point. Well, some may speak Chretienese. I said the Prime Minister of Canada is not analogous to the President of the United States So far three times, so why stop there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 So far three times Twice, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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