Military to Apologize toe Mohawks (once again)

[charter.rights]

"More than five years after the Canadian army listed radical first nations along with various international terrorist organizations in a manual, the government is set to issue an apology, according to media reports."

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Second apology in two years plus the government is putting money back into native language education and supporting First Nations in hunting on conservation lands. What is this world coming to?

Edited December 22, 2010 by charter.rights

[M.Dancer]

Are the toe mohawks related to the blackfeet?

[Saipan]

supporting First Nations in hunting on cosnservation lands.

Yes, to hell with conservation.

[eyeball]

What is this world coming to?

The government was quick to say that the reference to native groups would not appear in the final version of the manual and that it had merely been intended to illustrate examples of past insurgencies.

Including Hamas in the manual implies it's also illustrating examples of present insurgencies too.

The apology should also provide an example that insurgencies sometimes work and can be a respectable means of achieving a political end.

That said we could have simply looked to examples in our own culture's past to realize that.

[The_Squid]

The manual stated the following:

“The rise of radical Native American organizations, such as the Mohawk Warrior Society, can be viewed as insurgencies with specific and limited aims,” it read. “Although they do not seek complete control of the federal government, they do seek particular political concessions in their relationship with national governments and control (either overt or covert) of political affairs at a local/reserve (‘First Nation') level, through the threat of, or use of, violence.”

It wasn't politically expedient for any government document to state such a thing but, unfortunately, it's an accurate assessment.

[charter.rights]

The manual stated the following:

It wasn't politically expedient for any government document to state such a thing but, unfortunately, it's an accurate assessment.

It is not only inaccurate but demeaning and hurtful towards Mohawk people. That is why the Prime Minister or Peter MacKay will issue the apology. It was a grave mistake to have included the Mohawk Warrior Society in the list of example terrorist groups since they are simply a group of Mohawk men and women in their communities that provide support and security to their neighbours.

It might also have something to do with the Queen reminding Harper of our responsibility and our gratitude to Six Nations for their help throughout the history of North America colonization. Without their help it is likely we would either not be here, or we would have been Americans by now.

[M.Dancer]

The manual stated the following:

It wasn't politically expedient for any government document to state such a thing but, unfortunately, it's an accurate assessment.

I do not agree. They are more like an ethnic crime syndicate than a terrorist group. Closer to the Hells Angels or the Mafia than terrorst scum bags.

[charter.rights]

I do not agree. They are more like an ethnic crime syndicate than a terrorist group. Closer to the Hells Angels or the Mafia than terrorst scum bags.

What criminal behavior do you think they are engaged in? Or are you just taking your pet "Hyperbole" out for a stroll....?

Edited December 23, 2010 by charter.rights

[M.Dancer]

What criminal behavior do you think they are engaged in? Or are you just taking you pet "Hyperbole" out for a stroll....?

Smuggling, extortion...the usual stuff that armed thugs engage in.

[charter.rights]

Smuggling, extortion...the usual stuff that armed thugs engage in.

So you have no reference and are simply engaging in yet another inebriated fantasy....

[M.Dancer]

So you have no reference and are simply engaging in yet another inebriated fantasy....

Right, and gun fights in Akwesasne are just nightmares.

I mean, it's not like we need wikileaks to tell us that organized crime is one of the main industry over on indian land...

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Mohawks+gangs+tobacco/1437136/story.html

As much as 20 percent of all the high-potency marijuana grown in Canada each year is smuggled through the St. Regis Mohawk Reservation, according to the National Drug Intelligence Center's 2010 drug-threat assessment report.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2012209920_rezdrugs27.html

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2008/03/26/mohawk-raids.html

Edited December 23, 2010 by M.Dancer

[charter.rights]

Right, and gun fights in Akwesasne are just nightmares.

I mean, it's not like we need wikileaks to tell us that organized crime is one of the main industry over on indian land...

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Mohawks+gangs+tobacco/1437136/story.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2012209920_rezdrugs27.html

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2008/03/26/mohawk-raids.html

A couple of opinion pieces outlining some crimes that took place both on and off reserve. Drugs are everywhere and I can assure you that bike gangs and other organized criminal are engaged in it in greater capacity then an few Mohawks.

However, tobacco is legally manufactured and traded traditional product on any of those Mohawk territories and the government has no right to attempt to collect taxes on them. Mohawks can sell tobacco to anyone in Canada -it is a protected aboriginal right. Ever wonder why we don't here about convictions for tobacco transportation. Their aren't any Mohawks getting convicted because they get thrown out of court. There are non-natives getting charged and fined because that is illegal.

Royal Proclamation 1763

"And we do. by the Advice of our Privy Council, declare and enjoin, that the Trade with the said Indians shall be free and open to all our Subjects whatever."

But you still failed. Where's the connection to the "Mohawk Warrior Society"?

[Saipan]

The apology should also provide an example that insurgencies sometimes work and can be a respectable means of achieving a political end.

Doesn't work in Cuba, China or North Korea.

[Saipan]

Their aren't any Mohawks getting convicted because they get thrown out of court. There are non-natives getting charged and fined because that is illegal.

Yes, we still have racist laws.

[charter.rights]

Yes, we still have racist laws.

We have "the rule of law" and the Constitution over rides all other domestic law.

[M.Dancer]

However, tobacco is legally manufactured

Lots of tobacco farms on reserves then?

Where's the connection to the "Mohawk Warrior Society"?

Thick? 10 hour Gun battles, organised crime....those are your brave warriors....

Edited December 23, 2010 by M.Dancer

[Saipan]

What criminal behavior do you think they are engaged in?

Smugling guns drugs and alcohol.

[charter.rights]

Lots of tobacco farms on reserves then?{/quote]

Most of their tobacco comes from the US through Akwesanse. It is legal for them to purchase and redistribute raw tobacco fro manufacture since Canadian laws do not apply to Mohawks and laws cannot abrogate their rights..

{quote]Thick? 10 hour Gun battles, organised crime....those are your brave warriors....

Nope. Those are not the Mohawk Warrior Society any more than the Hells Angels are the OPP because they both have corrupt people in their organizations. There is still no link because the MWS is not an organization. It is a group of fathers and husbands -similar to a militia - who come forward to protect their communities and support their families.

[charter.rights]

Smugling guns drugs and alcohol.

Nope. Not them.

[M.Dancer]

Nope. Those are not the Mohawk Warrior Society any more than the Hells Angels are the OPP because they both have corrupt people in their organizations. There is still no link because the MWS is not an organization. It is a group of fathers and husbands -similar to a militia - who come forward to protect their communities and support their families.

And rob and smuggle and run drugs and guns.....to support theior families.

Many Italians said the same about the mafia.

[charter.rights]

And rob and smuggle and run drugs and guns.....to support theior families.

Many Italians said the same about the mafia.

Inebriated conjecture is not proof Morris. The official Mohawk Warrior Society as an organization collapsed about 30 years ago. In actual fact those who now refer to themselves as members of the Mohawk Warrior Society are nothing more than fathers and husbands willing to defend their people. They are often engaged within their communities in political issues and issues of justice and health, being forefront in opposition to Chiefs and Band Councils not looking out for their interests. They work an varied different jobs and have risked their employment to stand up for issues. They are not engaged in smuggling or booze. (The RCMP and Border Services say that most the guns are smuggled through Windsor). They are upstanding citizens supported by most of the people living on their reserves.

[M.Dancer]

Inebriated conjecture is not proof Morris. The official Mohawk Warrior Society as an organization collapsed about 30 years ago. In actual fact those who now refer to themselves as members of the Mohawk Warrior Society are nothing more than fathers and husbands willing to defend their people. They are often engaged within their communities in political issues and issues of justice and health, being forefront in opposition to Chiefs and Band Councils not looking out for their interests. They work an varied different jobs and have risked their employment to stand up for issues. They are not engaged in smuggling or booze. (The RCMP and Border Services say that most the guns are smuggled through Windsor). They are upstanding citizens supported by most of the people living on their reserves.

Yep. just like the italian business men....they protect their turf territory land and crime families...

Edited December 23, 2010 by M.Dancer

[Saipan]

Nope. Not them.

Yep, them smuggling guns drugs and alcohol.

Out of Control Smuggling through Aboriginal Reserves

Guns - Cigarettes - Liquor - People

http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/smuggling/smuggling.html

[DogOnPorch]

Maybe the Army should apologize to al-Qaeda and the Taliban while they're at it.

[dre]

Maybe the Army should apologize to al-Qaeda and the Taliban while they're at it.

Maybe the sperm dealer should apologize to your mom.