US congressman: "let us call on israel to stop shooting children.

[M.Dancer]

Considering the Russians at this point were 70 kilometres from Berlin this is a moronic argument.

The position of the Russians was exactly the reason that Dresden and opther cities were bombed...to aid the russians

[Jack Weber]

The position of the Russians was exactly the reason that Dresden and opther cities were bombed...to aid the russians

There is another theory that has been thrown out there on occassion,with respect to Dresden and other cities in Central East Germany...

Basically it is that the jig was up for NAZI Germany,and the Allies new that the map of Europe was going to be rewritten with a much stronger Soviet Union being the dominant power.The bombings of Dresden,Liepzig,Chemnitz etc.were to caue the maximum amount of destruction thereby causing the Soviet Union to slow down to reconstruct these cities.This would take valuable time away from them while the NATO countries were building up defenses in Europe.

[M.Dancer]

There is another theory that has been thrown out there on occassion,with respect to Dresden and other cities in Central East Germany...

Basically it is that the jig was up for NAZI Germany,and the Allies new that the map of Europe was going to be rewritten with a much stronger Soviet Union being the dominant power.The bombings of Dresden,Liepzig,Chemnitz etc.were to caue the maximum amount of destruction thereby causing the Soviet Union to slow down to reconstruct these cities.This would take valuable time away from them while the NATO countries were building up defenses in Europe.

interesting theory that....the part I like best is how NATO operatives from the year 2076 go back in time to 1949, meet the NATO leaders, who join the operative from the future and go back in time some more to 1945 ....and plan the bombings of the German cities....which of course were alos being destroyed with gusto by the soviets....luckily for US, the Warsaw pact does not exist in 2076 or the would go back to 1944 and advise Stalin to ease up on the destruction of Germany....

[Jack Weber]

interesting theory that....the part I like best is how NATO operatives from the year 2076 go back in time to 1949, meet the NATO leaders, who join the operative from the future and go back in time some more to 1945 ....and plan the bombings of the German cities....which of course were alos being destroyed with gusto by the soviets....luckily for US, the Warsaw pact does not exist in 2076 or the would go back to 1944 and advise Stalin to ease up on the destruction of Germany....

Does'nt The Illuminatti have patented WABAC machines?

[Guest TrueMetis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

Nothing there about revenge for German bombing....

Then I guess you missed this little tidbit.

It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed. Otherwise we shall come into control of an utterly ruined land… The destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing. I am of the opinion that military objectives must henceforward be more strictly studied in our own interests than that of the enemy.

The Foreign Secretary has spoken to me on this subject, and I feel the need for more precise concentration upon military objectives such as oil and communications behind the immediate battle-zone, rather than on mere acts of terror and wanton destruction, however impressive.

Winston Churchill March 28 1945.

The position of the Russians was exactly the reason that Dresden and opther cities were bombed...to aid the russians

That doesn't make any sense because being 70 KM from Berlin meant they were no where near Dresden, as Dresden is 190 KM from Berlin. So they should have focused on Berlin and the surrounding area, you know places that actually would have helped the Russians.

Edited December 29, 2010 by TrueMetis

[M.Dancer]

Then I guess you missed this little tidbit.

Winston Churchill March 28 1945.

Which is after the fact, after he approved the bombing and after german propaganda had its effect

That doesn't make any sense because being 70 KM from Berlin meant they were no where near Dresden, as Dresden is 190 KM from Berlin. So they should have focused on Berlin and the surrounding area, you know places that actually would have helped the Russians.

By bombing Dresden they had hoped to slow the transfer of men and equipment to the eastern front as Dresden was an important railway transfer hub. They believed that the bombing would shorten the war by 4 months.

PS..They also bombed Berlin...

Edited December 29, 2010 by M.Dancer

[bush_cheney2004]

...By bombing Dresden they had hoped to slow the transfer of men and equipment to the eastern front as Dresden was an important railway transfer hub. They believed that the bombing would shorten the war by 4 months.

PS..They also bombed Berlin...

Yep...they bombed a lot of cities...and the real impact of the strategic bombing campaign realized its goal...the reallocation of scarce resources. Given the same circumstances, we would bomb their asses again.

Edited December 29, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[M.Dancer]

Yep...they bombed a lot of cities...and the real impact of the strategic bombing campaign realized its goal...the reallocation of scarce resources. Given the same circumstances, we would bomb their asses again.

Shit, had they the bomb they would have used that too....

[Shady]

This would take valuable time away from them while the NATO countries were building up defenses in Europe.

NATO huh? Way to go Einstein!

[bush_cheney2004]

Shit, had they the bomb they would have used that too....

Damn straight....that's why it was built.

[bush_cheney2004]

NATO huh? Way to go Einstein!

:)

[Guest TrueMetis]

Which is after the fact, after he approved the bombing and after german propaganda had its effect

That "german propaganda" was actually English newspapers who reported it based on a comment made by British Air Commodore Colin McKay Grierson 2 days after the raid.

By bombing Dresden they had hoped to slow the transfer of men and equipment to the eastern front as Dresden was an important railway transfer hub. They believed that the bombing would shorten the war by 4 months.

Doubtful as they didn't actually hit the Dresden rail stations or the autobahn bridge.

[M.Dancer]

Doubtful as they didn't actually hit the Dresden rail stations or the autobahn bridge.

Correct, they targetted the marshalling yards.

That "german propaganda" was actually English newspapers who reported it based on a comment made by British Air Commodore Colin McKay Grierson 2 days after the raid.

First of all they [Dresden and similar towns] are the centres to which evacuees are being moved. They are centres of communications through which traffic is moving across to the Russian Front, and from the Western Front to the East, and they are sufficiently close to the Russian Front for the Russians to continue the successful prosecution of their battle. I think these three reasons probably cover the bombing.[96]

[bush_cheney2004]

First of all they [Dresden and similar towns] are the centres to which evacuees are being moved. They are centres of communications through which traffic is moving across to the Russian Front, and from the Western Front to the East, and they are sufficiently close to the Russian Front for the Russians to continue the successful prosecution of their battle. I think these three reasons probably cover the bombing.[96]

Spot on.....

III. CONCLUSION

The foregoing historical analysis establishes the following definitive answers to the recurring questions concerning the February 1945 bombings of Dresden by Allied strategic air forces:

a. Dresden was a legitimate military target.

b. Strategic objectives, of mutual importance to the Allies and the Russians, underlay the bombings of Dresden.

c. The Russians requested that the Dresden area be bombed by Allied air forces.

d. The Supreme Allied Commander, his Deputy Supreme Commander, and the key British and American operational air authorities recommended and ordered the bombing of Dresden.

e. The Russians were officially informed by the Allies concerning the intended date of and the forces to be committed to the bombing of Dresden.

f. The RAF Bomber Command employed 772 heavy bombers, 1477.7 tons of high explosive and 1181.6 tons of incendiary bombs, and American Eighth Air Force employed a total of 527 heavy bombers, 953.3 tons of high explosive and 294.3 tons of incendiary bombs, in the 14-15 February bombings of Dresden.

g. The specific target objectives in the Dresden bombings were, for the RAF Bomber Command, the Dresden city area, including industrial plants, communications, military installations, and for the American Eighth Air Force, the Dresden Marshalling Yards and railway facilities.

h. The immediate and actual consequences of the Dresden bombings were destruction or severe damage to at least 23 per cent of the city’s industrial buildings; severe damage to at least 56 per cent of the city’s non-industrial buildings (exclusive of dwellings); destruction or severe damage to at least 50 percent of the residential units in the city’s non-industrial buildings (exclusive of dwellings); destruction or severe damage to at least 50 percent of the residential units in the city, and at least some damage to 80 per cent of the city’s dwellings; the total disruption of the city as a major communications center, in consequence of destruction and damage inflicted on its railway facilities; and death to probably 25,000 persons and serious injury to probably 30,000 others, virtually all of these casualties being the result of the RAF area raid.

i. The Dresden bombings were in no way a deviation from established bombing policies set forth in official bombing directives.

j. The specific forces and means employed in the Dresden bombings were in keeping with the forces and means employed by the Allies in other aerial attacks on comparable targets in Germany.

k. The Dresden bombings achieved the strategic objectives that underlay the attack and were of mutual importance to the Allies and the Russians.

http://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/dresden.htm

[Jack Weber]

NATO huh? Way to go Einstein!

Then there's Professor Kitzel selectively quoting again.I see,during his selective romp,he missed the part about "a theory"...

Don't ever change,Professor...

Edited December 30, 2010 by Jack Weber

[bloodyminded]

Never the less, Dresden was a military target struck for strategic reasons. The same is true for the other 57 german cities that were leveled and just as true for those cities that suffered even greater carnage than Dresden. The vilification of the bombing campaign is nothing but historical revisionism.

That goddamn revisionist Churchill!

[bud]

Israel and some of its allies recognize all of Jerusalem as part of Israel,

don't lie. only israel recognizes israel's annexation of east jerusalem (unless the great state of micronesia sided with israel's violation of international law). the rest of the world, including u.s. and canada do not recognize israel's annexation of east jerusalem. you're such a poof.

There is no universal agreement on the exact borders of the proposed Palestinian state.

the 1967 border is what most of the world recognizes. it's only the extremists such as the israeli government and ahmadinejad who do not.