Shady Posted November 7, 2010 Report Posted November 7, 2010 a country almost completely built on other cultures. Complete nonsense. Quote
Smallc Posted November 7, 2010 Report Posted November 7, 2010 Complete nonsense. How so? The United States is identical in this respect, as is much of the western hemisphere (though countries other than the US or Canada are more homogeneous). Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) It's really a policy that says you can still be who you are, and at the same time become one of us. You'll learn from us, and you'll bring something with you that we can learn. And I believe there in lies the problem...Or the failing,depending on one's point of view... Edited November 8, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
dre Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 The biggest fallacy with the idea is that somehow,magically,people of completely different backgrounds and ethnicities would somehow miraculously come together.This,of course,is completely absurd!What has happened is that,instead of making people more "Canadian",we have people who live here but are really still whatever they were before they came here. This phony idea that multicuturalism has created a "mosaic' across this country is nothing more than a talking point crock!What it has done is set up untennable ethnic enclaves,where whatever cultural baggage people had(or maybe were trying to escape from) does'nt go away,but continues unabated here... I have an idea on how to stop this,with historical precedent,but the sucky politically correct types would never go for it... Im not sure this is true as a generalization. I HAVE seen evidence that its true with NEW immigrants but I think that second and third generation immigrants DO become more and more "Canadian". Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Jack Weber Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 Im not sure this is true as a generalization. I HAVE seen evidence that its true with NEW immigrants but I think that second and third generation immigrants DO become more and more "Canadian". I agree... But that is usually due to interraction with others that happens over a period of several decades. Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) And I believe there in lies the problem...Or the failing,depending on one's point of view... That's not a failing in my view. Canadian culture has adapted throughout history. Edited November 8, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) That's not a failing in my view. Canadian culture has adapted throughout history. I assume you know how we forced newcomers to adapt to this country over 100 years ago then? Edited November 8, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 I assume you know how we forced newcomers to adapt to this country over 100 years ago then? Did we? We may have tried, but we weren't successful. Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 Did we? We may have tried, but we weren't successful. How so? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 How so? Because multiculturalism has always flourished here. Ukranians, Polish, Irish, French (and on and on). There were attempts to completely integrate them....but that never happened, and so who they were became part of who we are. That is the spirit that continues today, and aside from extremist examples, I have little problem with it. Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 Because multiculturalism has always flourished here. Ukranians, Polish, Irish, French (and on and on). There were attempts to completely integrate them....but that never happened, and so who they were became part of who we are. That is the spirit that continues today, and aside from extremist examples, I have little problem with it. I ahve no probelm with what we did 100 years ago,either.It tended to seperate ethnic groups to the point hat everyone had to come together to tame what seems like an untameable steppeland.Ehtnic baggage was kept at the door because work had to be done... It's the kind of thing I advocate for now to break up the ethnic enclaves in the major cities across this country....And it would'nt be an way near as difficult now,as it was then... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
dre Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) I agree... But that is usually due to interraction with others that happens over a period of several decades. Right. Assimilation takes time, and its a two way street. We change them, and they change us... bit by bit. Edited November 8, 2010 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 I ahve no probelm with what we did 100 years ago,either.It tended to seperate ethnic groups to the point hat everyone had to come together to tame what seems like an untameable steppeland.Ehtnic baggage was kept at the door because work had to be done... It's the kind of thing I advocate for now to break up the ethnic enclaves in the major cities across this country....And it would'nt be an way near as difficult now,as it was then... It's the kind of thing I advocate for now to break up the ethnic enclaves in the major cities across this country....And it would'nt be an way near as difficult now,as it was then... How do you break up ethnic enclaves? Isnt freedom of association one of the fundamental things that makes us free? Do you do it with zoning? Do you enforce Quotas? Id like to hear your ideas on how we can "break up ethnic enclaves" without drastically restricting the freedom Canadians have to basically live where they choose. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jbg Posted November 8, 2010 Author Report Posted November 8, 2010 Because multiculturalism has always flourished here. Ukranians, Polish, Irish, French (and on and on). There were attempts to completely integrate them....but that never happened, and so who they were became part of who we are. That is the spirit that continues today, and aside from extremist examples, I have little problem with it. I can't speak for all those groups but to my knowledge Jews are part and parcel of Canadian cultural, business and political life. While they proudly maintain their identity they participate fully and enthusiastically in all things Canadian. Can you say that of the average Somali immigrant in Toronto? Is Jane-Finch an area you'd want to hang out in, to soak up the multicultural experience? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 I can't speak for all those groups but to my knowledge Jews are part and parcel of Canadian cultural, business and political life. While they proudly maintain their identity they participate fully and enthusiastically in all things Canadian. Can you say that of the average Somali immigrant in Toronto? Is Jane-Finch an area you'd want to hang out in, to soak up the multicultural experience? How many actually Somali immigrants are there (we're not talking about refugees)? I've visited many diverse areas of Toronto.....which is probably my favourite city. Quote
jbg Posted November 8, 2010 Author Report Posted November 8, 2010 How many actually Somali immigrants are there (we're not talking about refugees)? I've visited many diverse areas of Toronto.....which is probably my favourite city. Hang out in Jane-Finch? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 Hang out in Jane-Finch? Jane and Finch has nothing on the North End of Winnipeg, where I've spent a great deal of time. It also has nothing on so many slums in your own country. Quote
guyser Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 The biggest fallacy with the idea is that somehow,magically,people of completely different backgrounds and ethnicities would somehow miraculously come together.This,of course,is completely absurd! Hmm...I dont know......Vancouver Olympics anyone?. Quote
Saipan Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 I assume you know how we forced newcomers to adapt to this country over 100 years ago then? HOW? Were they forced to come here? Quote
Saipan Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 Hmm...I dont know......Vancouver Olympics anyone?. No. Air India. Olympians come and go. Quote
guyser Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 No. Air India. We celebrated the Air India disaster, or still S.O.S? Quote
PIK Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 I just heard we are about to allow over 400 refugees from the USA,that is right the USA, they could not pass the test there ,so they applied here and are on the way. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Saipan Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 We celebrated the Air India disaster, or still S.O.S? Why? Quote
Shwa Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 I can't speak for all those groups but to my knowledge Jews are part and parcel of Canadian cultural, business and political life. While they proudly maintain their identity they participate fully and enthusiastically in all things Canadian. Can you say that of the average Somali immigrant in Toronto? Is Jane-Finch an area you'd want to hang out in, to soak up the multicultural experience? You could, sure: http://dinehere.ca/r/toronto/janefinch Looks like you can get some patties, some stir fry & noodles, pitas, fried chicken, even McDicks if you are so inclined. Heck the Robert Restaurant is Peruvian. Now if you are worried about getting shot, the hospital is right there. Quote
guyser Posted November 8, 2010 Report Posted November 8, 2010 Why? It's a question,hard for a newcomer but try will ya? Quote
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