Cathrine Austin Fitts interview with Alex Jones

[GostHacked]

Discredit Jones as much as you want, and you will miss the point of this post. This is a one hour interview with Mrs. Fitts , the former Assistant Secretary Housing and Federal Housing Commisioner. She served under GHW Bush. She covers many things. And I wanted to get some of your thoughts on it. I expect the usuall 'go get your tinfoil hat on' and such, and that's expected. But again, you would miss some pretty important information.

I'll just put the links here and you can head over to youtube to watch them.

So take it as you will. Some may find it worthwhile, others will close it right away. It's not the messenger here you need to think about, it is the message.

[bush_cheney2004]

Fitts has lots to say about lots of things:

http://solari.com/blog/

[GostHacked]

Fitts has lots to say about lots of things:

http://solari.com/blog/

Yes she does. You can ignore that bit for now. Unlike the current leaders who speak a lot, but a lot about nothing. Don't take my word for it. Listen for yourself, then make up your mind and give me some tinfoil. Whatever works for you.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes she does. You can ignore that bit for now. Unlike the current leaders who speak a lot, but a lot about nothing. Don't take my word for it. Listen for yourself, then make up your mind and give me some tinfoil. Whatever works for you.

No....I am not claiming tin foil at all. She has some interesting insights, but I don't think anyone has the whole housing crisis figured out. Housing has become far more political in the US since wholesale repudiation of large government housing projects.

[GostHacked]

No....I am not claiming tin foil at all. She has some interesting insights, but I don't think anyone has the whole housing crisis figured out. Housing has become far more political in the US since wholesale repudiation of large government housing projects.

No, it's obvious it's not all figured out, but at least it is a start. I'd love to hear more of her, but to expand on the explanations and give solid examples could take up a few more hours, which I would not mind at all.

[sharkman]

She sounds really intelligent on what I heard of her, but her ideas on bringing food production back to the little guy is not going to work without massive cost increases. I'm surprised she's a truther.

[GostHacked]

She sounds really intelligent on what I heard of her, but her ideas on bringing food production back to the little guy is not going to work without massive cost increases. I'm surprised she's a truther.

That's one problem I see. Some would dismiss her outright because she is a 'truther'. Meaning the info she has would be discredited and ignored before she even has a chance to speak. I am finding that anyone who has some reasonable and solid information to give us, is automatically sidelined and marginalized when they are found to be a truther.

I think the cost would decrease. The money/time/resources spent on transporting food all over the place is mind boggling when you think it. I've been involved in the grocery business for a total of close to 15 years now in one way or another. It also has the chance to be fresher when grown and transported locally. The good thing about this is that the money stays local and gets invested back into the community by the farmer purchasing items that are local as well. Granted some items may have to come from out of town (so to speak) because some of those resources are not there. But if we utilize those close resources properly we can self sustain that system.

I've mentioned that how we approach food and food distribution will need to radically change for this to happen. And you may lose some of these products you see on the store shelves (most of which have ingredients you can't pronounce, let alone understand what they are and what they do to you).

Edited November 5, 2010 by GostHacked

[sharkman]

Yeah, the food issue is becoming problematic. Food picked before it's ripe and has the full nutrient value, shipped across 2 continents so I can save .50 a lb? Or food grown/produced/manufactured in China or elsewhere where they don't have our ethical or safety standards. Then there's the genetic tinkering. And of course our society is so harried that people don't have time to cook anymore and instead pick up sacks of empty calories at the drive through.

There is no way this can compare with the good wholesome food that was regularly eaten a generation ago when produce and animals were still grown locally and eaten fresh. This has a far bigger impact on our healthcare system than assumed, I think.

[Michael Hardner]

I think the cost would decrease. The money/time/resources spent on transporting food all over the place is mind boggling when you think it. I've been involved in the grocery business for a total of close to 15 years now in one way or another. It also has the chance to be fresher when grown and transported locally. The good thing about this is that the money stays local and gets invested back into the community by the farmer purchasing items that are local as well.

Of course, we do live in Canada and living on root vegetables all winter just isn't sexy.

There was an article in NOW magazine that put the cost of transportation at 10-20% for food. Growing food in Canada can take more energy too, so that has to be factored in.

I haven't seen arguments for local food production that have really convinced me, other than emotional based arguments. ( i.e. "love" - support your local farm guy, "hate" - terrorists might poison foreign food etc etc)

[Michael Hardner]

Or food grown/produced/manufactured in China or elsewhere where they don't have our ethical or safety standards.

We buy lots of other things from Asia though. Most of the food scares I can remember are from Canadian and US companies.

[GostHacked]

We buy lots of other things from Asia though. Most of the food scares I can remember are from Canadian and US companies.

We do see either weekly or monthly some type of E.Coli scare. This week it was a cheese/dairy producer in the US. We have not heard of mad cow desiese in some time. Lots of lettuce products have had their share of E.Coli issues as well. Listerios issue with Maple Leaf Foods last year. Could go on and on here. ...

Also food regulators do allow for a certain percentage of rat/mouse feces in our food, well I'd assume processed foods is where this happens most. We are litteraly eating shit. Overall the food production/distribution system is a very fragile one. And now with the on demand delivery where product does not stay in one spot for very long, any kink in this chain and it quickly falls apart. We are so dependant on computer systems now to do most of this work for us, even small computer glitches have major impacts on the production/distribution system. Take my word for it .

[GostHacked]

Of course, we do live in Canada and living on root vegetables all winter just isn't sexy.

There was an article in NOW magazine that put the cost of transportation at 10-20% for food. Growing food in Canada can take more energy too, so that has to be factored in.

I haven't seen arguments for local food production that have really convinced me, other than emotional based arguments. ( i.e. "love" - support your local farm guy, "hate" - terrorists might poison foreign food etc etc)

You got some points there. I had not taken into account that Canada because of our climate, can't produce some foods during the cold/winter months. Which leads us to buy those products from the US or South America during those months. We've had some success in underground greenhouses. But that does take a lot of energy. The mines back in Sudbury where I grew up has a couple abandoned areas which are now used as a type of greenhouse to produce food. But you need to produce the light the plants need to grow.

[sharkman]

Of course, we do live in Canada and living on root vegetables all winter just isn't sexy.

There was an article in NOW magazine that put the cost of transportation at 10-20% for food. Growing food in Canada can take more energy too, so that has to be factored in.

I haven't seen arguments for local food production that have really convinced me, other than emotional based arguments. ( i.e. "love" - support your local farm guy, "hate" - terrorists might poison foreign food etc etc)

Food scares happen, but that is a different issue than what I'm talking about.

In China, the pollution levels are unreal. I simply do not want to eat food that's been grown in that environment. And what do you think the pollution levels are in Mexico and assorted south american countries is. Do you think their regulations are as stringent as Canada's? I don't think so.

There are plenty of options besides root vegetable, and we don't have to eat nothing but local vegetables. You have stumbled across the problem, however. The 'sexy' factor. Or to be more accurate, we eat more for pleasure than health or hunger. We don't care as much about pollution in China or genetic tinkering, as long as it tastes good.

The nutritional value of processed food is quite minimal, and it's then loaded with sodium or sugar/fat so it tastes better. Vegetables/fruits that were picked a week ago before they were ripe are much less good for us. But I don't see anything changing any time soon.

Edited November 5, 2010 by sharkman

[GostHacked]

Food scares happen, but that is a different issue than what I'm talking about.

In China, the pollution levels are unreal. I simply do not want to eat food that's been grown in that environment. And what do you think the pollution levels are in Mexico and assorted south american countries is. Do you think their regulations are as stringent as Canada's? I don't think so.

No of course not, it is main reason why so much manufacturing jobs were sent to China. Working with very hazerdous substances in conditions that would qualify jail time for the owners on this side of the planet.

There are plenty of options besides root vegetable, and we don't have to eat nothing but local vegetables. You have stumbled across the problem, however. The 'sexy' factor. Or to be more accurate, we eat more for pleasure than health or hunger. We don't care as much about pollution in China or genetic tinkering, as long as it tastes good.

True, however all it really takes is some herbs and spices to make stuff taste good, without the fat/salt/sugar. However we have patently become lazy and well, leads to quick easy fast crappy junk food. Satisfies the taste buds and the brain, but not really good for the body.

The nutritional value of processed food is quite minimal, and it's then loaded with sodium or sugar/fat so it tastes better. Vegetables/fruits that were picked a week ago before they were ripe are much less good for us. But I don't see anything changing any time soon.

Not only that, we are not exposed to the wide variety of a specific type of fruit/vegetable as we once were. There are only a handfull of types of corn grown in north america. And the only reason you find organic food now is because people have made a stink about genetically modified foods. Although organic only means that part of the process was organic in nature. It just has to be mostly organic. Great.