Liberals Surprisngly Blame Tories for the Actions of the Dubai Governm

[capricorn]

Nations just don't do this without cause and landing spots is just the straw that broke the camels back.

No. What's behind this is the UAE wanting to put aircraft into use in its growing airline industry.

[nicky10013]

No. What's behind this is the UAE wanting to put aircraft into use in its growing airline industry.

Ah, so you know the entire history of the relationship between Canada and the UAE?

[Saipan]

Strange, isn't it, that the alternate "Wyly" personality is smarter than the public "MacKay" personality.

That's why Wyly is now federal minister.

[wyly]

Allies are not friends--that's not the way the geopolitical centres of power termed "countries" operate.

However, I agree that the UAE's actions are by definiton anti-diplomatic, and not helpful to anyone. In the long run, probbaly a mistake on their part.

I was only responding to the idea that Wyly must be "self-loathing," based apparently on insufficently patriotic credentials.

it's his bizarre logic that causes wars...because I'm a canadian I'm expected to blindly support a government whose foreign policy I do not support...capricorn's thinking is the type that had germans following hitler into near annihilation regardless that it was wrong...blind unquestioning patriotism, is very wrong...if I believe my country is wrong I will say so...

[Saipan]

because I'm a canadian I'm expected to blindly support a government whose foreign policy I do not support...

No need, the country get by without you.

capricorn's thinking is the type that had germans following hitler into near annihilation regardless that it was wrong...

He wants to occupy the world and exterminate Jews?

Do you have actual evidenced?

blind unquestioning patriotism, is very wrong...if I believe my country is wrong I will say so...

Of course. Chretien and Slick Willy were very wrong to attack Serbia. It wasn't them that attacked us on 9/11, London subway, Atocha rail stn. etc.....

[capricorn]

Ah, so you know the entire history of the relationship between Canada and the UAE?

Perhaps you should do as I do. Educate yourself on the matter at hand.

Trade war declared on Gulf airlines

The biggest flag-carrying airlines in Europe are joining forces in an effort to thwart the rapid global expansion of rivals from the Gulf amid a rising tide of protectionism in the industry.

Air France's chief executive, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, took the vanguard in a blistering public attack against Emirates, Etihad and other Gulf-based airlines yesterday.

"Europe is at the crossroads of international air travel, and this is a role we need to value and defend," Mr Gourgeon told Bloomberg. "What we're telling the authorities is that we need a strategy that gives us a chance to resist."

Air France and other European airlines are lobbying their governments to put an end to export credit rules that benefit Middle Eastern airlines, citing the competitive threat posed by the likes of Emirates, Etihad Airways and Qatar Airways.

The complaints come as a rising chorus of airlines have sought to limit the expansion of the three carriers by other means, primarily by asking their governments to oppose additional landing slots. This week the UAE's ambassador to Canada made a rare public statement expressing its disappointment that Canadian authorities had blocked attempts to increase landing slots for Emirates and Etihad for the past five years.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/transport/trade-war-declared-on-gulf-airlines

The UAE is taking undue advantage of the agreement with Canada (the transport of our military and their equipment) in order to wrestle rights for their aircraft to Canadian destinations. It's really not a difficult concept to absorb.

[capricorn]

yabut,

Another clueless post.

[scribblet]

Why is there no poll option for "Harper is a fascist asshole, and the whole world hates his fat fundamentalist ass and didn't want him or any of his social conservative shits on the UN security council."?

Because it's not true that's why, only uninformed ideological idiots who wallow in their own dirt, would write such a fallacy.

[Sir Bandelot]

Why did UAE allow our government to put a base there in the first place? What was the original agreement? If they allowed it "for free", assuming there would be some other economic incentives, did we live up to the deal. And if so, are they now breaking that deal.

[Shakeyhands]

Because it's not true that's why, only uninformed ideological idiots who wallow in their own dirt, would write such a fallacy.

No comment on the assinine choices again. I guess this thread/poll was meant as a great big conservative circle jerk after all.

Edited October 13, 2010 by Shakeyhands

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The poll was like many others, ask the tight question get the right answer. In this case the numbers say one thing, and the question another. This poll could have been designed by a tory...........

[M.Dancer]

The poll was like many others, ask the tight question get the right answer. In this case the numbers say one thing, and the question another. This poll could have been designed by a tory...........

Or a devoted Green...

[Rick]

Yet no comment on the assinine poll options?

Nor any mention of the right wing Argus's initial comment along the same line.

[scribblet]

There's more to it than Afghanistan and Israel, the Liberals know this as it follows years of requests from the UAE to increase the number of long-haul air routes its carriers can operate to Canadian airports.

Canada's access to Camp Mirage was established under a years-old agreement, which expired in June, an official from the Gulf state told the Associated Press news agency.

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZW20101011000097/Canada%20Defense%20Minister%3A%20Military%20Planning%20To%20Leave%20UAE%20Air%20Base-Reports

A person familiar with the U.A.E.'s differences with Canada said the government didn't extend a memorandum of understanding with the Canadian government over use of the air base after the talks failed. This person said the negotiations have been under way for several years and over several successive Canadian governments.

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The political squabble comes on the heels of Canada-based Research In Motion Ltd.'s (RIMM) settlement of a dispute with the U.A.E.'s telecommunications regulator.

The government agency decided against implementing a proposed ban on RIM's BlackBerry smartphone services after the Waterloo, Ont., company brought its services into compliance with rules governing government access to data. Details of the compromise weren't disclosed.

[Rick]

Because it's not true that's why, only uninformed ideological idiots who wallow in their own dirt, would write such a fallacy.

Or myopic ideological twits living in their own fantasy world and too bloody ignorant and blind to see it does exist to some extent, would deny its existence.

[scribblet]

Or a devoted Green...

or just someone who wanted a push poll...

no surprise though at the finger pointing LOL

Edited October 14, 2010 by scribblet

[Jack Weber]

The poll was like many others, ask the tight question get the right answer. In this case the numbers say one thing, and the question another. This poll could have been designed by a tory...........

It was...Or a LibertariCon....

[msdogfood]

I Blame the PMO!!

All the UAE wanted was more landing slots!

[scribblet]

At the expense of Air Canada maybe ? Not to mention blackmailing Canada.

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101011/camp-mirage-talks-uae-canada-101110/20101011/?hub=EdmontonHome

The UAE has complained that its two airlines have only six flights a week to Toronto, ferrying passengers from Dubai and Abu Dhabi. And with 27,000 Canadians living in the UAE, al Ghafli has argued there is a need for greater air service between the two countries.

Air Canada, however, has protested expanding the landing rights of UAE carriers, arguing that few people fly from the UAE over to Canada. Air Canada claims that UAE carriers are taking Canadians to other places, while making stopovers in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

The Associated Press reported that Emirates and Etihad declined to offer comment Monday. Air Canada could not immediately be reached for comment.

Edited October 14, 2010 by scribblet

[Smallc]

I Blame the PMO!!

OF course you do.

All the UAE wanted was more landing slots!

and there was no justification for that.

[Rick]

At the expense of Air Canada maybe ? Not to mention blackmailing Canada.

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101011/camp-mirage-talks-uae-canada-101110/20101011/?hub=EdmontonHome

It makes you wonder who's in charge of our foreign affairs, Peter (I'm going to take a walk with my dog) McKay or Air Canada.

Hmm, I thought Conservatives favored "open skies".

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Its all politics. The citizens pay for it in more ways than most think. At any rate the UAE was making demands, not asking for favours or negotiating changes. There is a difference and in this case our government did the right thing.

[Smallc]

Hmm, I thought Conservatives favored "open skies".

Transport Canada doesn't allow flight expansions that aren't justified. There is no reason to.

Edited October 14, 2010 by Smallc

[fellowtraveller]

Excuse me? The great crime of the UAE is to dare expect something (fairly paltry) in return for their (fairly important) service to us.

You surely are not so unaware as to not realize the huge and ongoing benefit realized by all the Gulf States? Kuwait, Oman, UAE, even Saudi Arabia are well aware that their national security interests are aligned with the West. Iran or at one time Iraq couled and would eat them for lunch given the chance. Uneasy bedfellows, but still bedfellows.

You're nuts if you don't think that is a very, very significant return for UAE and others. Luckily for them, this buntoss is about access for commercial aircraft, not the alliance.

[Topaz]

Want to know how powerful Dubai is? Well this had a hand in Canada NOT getting on the UN security council. http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20101014/uae-bid-101014/