capricorn Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 The $40 thousand or so these folks paid to climb aboard tells me... a] They have something to hide as 40Gs buys several first class cruise ship tickets not to mention numerous airline tickets. Apparently, many of those migrants can't afford to pay the whole amount up front to the criminal organization for the trip to Canada. The deal is, these migrants, most of whom will be granted refugee status, are then indebted to the criminal organizers. The migrants/refugees are expected to pay the organizers once they enter the refugee system. Those criminal organizations are akin to the mafia and use strong arm tactics to get paid. Women may be subjected to sexual slavery and men recruited into criminal activity. I can't find the link right now but all this information is somewhere on the RCMP website. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
DogOnPorch Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 I've thought about that,too... Ethnic cleansing by way of forced migration...The problem is that many of those that are being forced are bloodthirsty killers...But then again,so is the Sinhilese governemnt... That's indeed one possibility. Capricorn mentions the other obvious one which amounts to slavery/indentured service like a pack of Bulgarian strippers. Either way, Canada with its out-of-date refugee laws from the 1950s (well intentioned laws for the time) will be the sucker in any scenario now or in the future. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jack Weber Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 That's indeed one possibility. Capricorn mentions the other obvious one which amounts to slavery/indentured service like a pack of Bulgarian strippers. Either way, Canada with its out-of-date refugee laws from the 1950s (well intentioned laws for the time) will be the sucker in any scenario now or in the future. It's not just that.. It's well known around here that the Tamil community in Toronto gets threatened and intimidated by the Tamil Tiger thugs into supporting their cause.It's well known that family members get extorted here under threats of violence to family members in Sri Lanka to financially support the cause through many front businesses. Several cases like this have come up...I suspect that will continue... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 I know certain forms of slavery exist in Canada. A country I thought I knew well. My country. But all is fair now in happy multi-cultural land. Show some sensitivities to their sensitivities for goodness sake...the man's family has been murdering their daughters for centuries. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted August 14, 2010 Report Posted August 14, 2010 SOME ONE MIGHT AS WELL SEND A MEMO TO MEXICO AND MENTION THAT ARE BOARDERS ARE AS SECURE AS THAT OF ARIZONA AND CALIFORNIA...MIGHT AS WELL LET ALL THE RIFF RAFF IN - who knows they might just displace the rats that run our nation though fraud and deception...maybe these people will at least be honest when being corrupt and sleazy..? Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted August 14, 2010 Report Posted August 14, 2010 More ships will be coming, with many more of them on board. There is no way to stop them. They will keep coming, by the thousands, until they outnumber us. Then everything we know, our people, our culture, will be gone. - Chief Blackfoot What comes around, goes around... Quote
Oleg Bach Posted August 14, 2010 Report Posted August 14, 2010 More ships will be coming, with many more of them on board. There is no way to stop them. They will keep coming, by the thousands, until they outnumber us. Then everything we know, our people, our culture, will be gone. - Chief Blackfoot What comes around, goes around... Tolerant liberals do not protect children - or resources - nor do they protect personal wealth and atonomy..The kind liberal mind will lower the draw bridge for the rats to cross in...and will consider it a kindness and noble act - untill the rats have eaten all the food and chewed away all the grass and money. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted August 14, 2010 Report Posted August 14, 2010 More ships will be coming, with many more of them on board. There is no way to stop them. They will keep coming, by the thousands, until they outnumber us. Then everything we know, our people, our culture, will be gone. - Chief Blackfoot What comes around, goes around... Hmm maybe right. But this time the "victims" are doing it to themselves. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Argus Posted August 14, 2010 Report Posted August 14, 2010 He was born here for starters. If a cat gives birth on the stove does that make the offspring cookies? The presumption that someone born in a country was a citizen harkens back to olden times when travel over great distances was rare and difficult. Nowadays, with the advent of modern travel, we need to change the citizenship rules so that it's reserved for children born to Canadians citizens. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 14, 2010 Report Posted August 14, 2010 Apparently he was born and went to school in Toronto. He went to school in Peshawar, in Pakistan. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 14, 2010 Report Posted August 14, 2010 More ships will be coming, with many more of them on board. There is no way to stop them. They will keep coming, by the thousands, until they outnumber us. Then everything we know, our people, our culture, will be gone. - Chief Blackfoot What comes around, goes around... What a prescient man. It's too bad his contemporaries didn't listen to him. Instead they probably mocked him and ridiculed the idea they would ever be outnumbered, their culture pushed aside by newcomers with no interest in it, their land changed, and they losing control. He was probably called xenophobic and hard-hearted and such by people who would eventually come to regret their arrogance when their children were being killed by the newcomers. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Sir Bandelot Posted August 14, 2010 Report Posted August 14, 2010 Tolerant liberals do not protect children - or resources - nor do they protect personal wealth and atonomy..The kind liberal mind will lower the draw bridge for the rats to cross in...and will consider it a kindness and noble act - untill the rats have eaten all the food and chewed away all the grass and money. Yet in a way it is right and natural. The weak must be swept away, to make room for the strong. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 14, 2010 Report Posted August 14, 2010 Yet in a way it is right and natural. The weak must be swept away, to make room for the strong. Jawohl, mein Fuhrer! Die Lager sind bereit und die ofen sind heiss! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
capricorn Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 Not surprising, Ignatieff says the Conservatives bungled the Tamil boat situation. Ignatieff said the Harper government should have prepared for the arrival of the refugees by consulting the United Nations agency for refugees and the Sri Lankan government while they were still at sea."Now we’ve got a situation where they’ve docked and they have to have individual confirmation of each one of them," he said, adding the identification of the refugees has to be independently verified in addition to any information that the Sri Lankan government might provide. http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/100696419.html Dringgg, dringgg... UN: Hello, this is the UN agency for refugees. How may I help you? Ignatieff: Hello there. This is Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Federal Liberal Party in Ottawa, Canada. UN: Yes Mr. Ignatieff, how nice to hear from you. Ignatieff: Would you happen to have a list of passengers on a vessel traveling on the high seas toward Canada to escape the war torn country of Sri Lanka? UN: This is the first I hear of this. Ignatieff: Never mind, I'll call the Sri Lanka government. Dringgg...dringgg... Sri Lanka government: Hello. Ignatieff: Hello there. This is Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Federal Liberal Party in Ottawa, Canada. Sri Lanka government: Mr. Ignatieff, what can I do for you. Ignatieff: Would you happen to have a list of passengers on a vessel traveling on the high seas toward Canada to escape your war torn country? Sri Lanka government: Mr. Ignatieff, of all people you should know that what you ask in an invasion of the privacy of those on board the vessel. In any case, we have no such list and no knowledge of such a vessel. Ignatieff: What's the matter with you? Doesn't your government know when 490 of your citizens go missing? Sri Lanka government: Click. Then Ignatieff finds the words to insult the Australian government. Ignatieff dismissed calls that Canada should have followed Australia’s policy on refugees and turned the Tamil refugee boat away."This is Canada, not Australia," Ignatieff said. "That means Canada has principles, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, our international obligations." Yes, Mr. Ignatieff, Canada will have to process each of the 490 migrants individually, without the help of the UN or the government of Sri Lanka. And the last time I looked, Australia abides by the principles of human rights. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Oleg Bach Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 WHEN WILL CANADA GO BACK TO BEING A CONSERVATIVE NATION THAT CONSERVES IT'S WEALTH? at present a liberalism is running rampant and we have given away the family farm to strangers...."be righteous or your wealth will go into the houses of strangers..to para pharse...To bad Henry Morgantaler did not disappear 40 years ago - we would have the population we need..instead we import second rate barbarians..who will slowly decay the nation...................I see Muslims living in the projects..they dump their garbage on the ground rather than take the two steps to get to the dumpster..........they do not respect our nation - because they did not respect their own --------------------AND...........THOSE THAT DID WELL IN THEIR PLACE OF ORIGIN - STAYED! The losers are coming here.........................sit on the subway and observe the low bred quality of our immigration - WE DID NOT GET THE CREAM OF THE CROP. Quote
eyeball Posted August 15, 2010 Author Report Posted August 15, 2010 More ships will be coming. Convoys, I imagine. Any that are fleeing discrimination or repressive regimes are welcome in my books. Given the direction Canada is presently going we're in desperate need of as many people who crave freedom as we can get. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
capricorn Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 Any that are fleeing discrimination or repressive regimes are welcome in my books. Any? How many is that in your books, say per year or per decade? Given the direction Canada is presently going we're in desperate need of as many people who crave freedom as we can get. Most people on the globe crave freedom, I would think. There is a limit to how many people we can accommodate before our social systems and infrastructure collapses. The fact is, however, that our prosperity does not depend on labour force growth or population increases but on sound economic policies that promote continued increases in productivity and effective use of our existing labour force. On the latter point, renowned economist and labour market specialist Prof. Alan G. Green of Queen's University has concluded that Canada now has the educational facilities to meet our domestic needs for skilled workers in all but extreme circumstances and that large inflows of skilled workers from abroad will have the effect of discouraging Canadians from acquiring the skills needed in the labour market.In the circumstances, we should be concentrating on making the best use of existing manpower resources in the country by upgrading the skills of Canadians, retraining the many thousands who have recently lost their jobs and encouraging new entrants to join the workforce -- not on continued mass immigration as proposed by Anne Golden. http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=4e3b4bf9-df44-4c34-8ef3-99218b5c4e15 Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Sir Bandelot Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 Jawohl, mein Fuhrer! Die Lager sind bereit und die ofen sind heiss! Sehr gut, und du gehst zu erst Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 Nach Ihnen. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 Any that are fleeing discrimination or repressive regimes are welcome in my books. Given the direction Canada is presently going we're in desperate need of as many people who crave freedom as we can get. These people don't come here craving freedom. They come here craving money. There are lots of closer places where they would not be subjected to government persecution. They bypassed them. They wanted to go to a rich country - with welfare benefits and free health care. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted August 15, 2010 Author Report Posted August 15, 2010 These people don't come here craving freedom. They come here craving money. This is a virtue amongst most of the people I see crapping their pants over this. I'm also pretty certain that none of you would disagree that money is freedom. I mean that's practically a bumper sticker slogan. There are lots of closer places where they would not be subjected to government persecution. They bypassed them. They wanted to go to a rich country - with welfare benefits and free health care. Maybe they just want to get as far away from their persecutors as possible. Sadly of course there's always a few of those everywhere you go. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
capricorn Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 There are lots of closer places where they would not be subjected to government persecution. They bypassed them. They wanted to go to a rich country - with welfare benefits and free health care. It had been reported that Australia turned the vessel away. It seems that information was incorrect. The minister said there was no truth to reports the ship had originally intended to travel to Australia but had changed course after Canberra made it clear they were not welcome.He said the ship’s destination was always Canada. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Smugglers+have+made+more+than+million+from+Tamil+ship/3400745/story.html Yup, Canada was the mark from the get go. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
DogOnPorch Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 capricorn: Dringgg, dringgg...UN: Hello, this is the UN agency for refugees. How may I help you? Ignatieff: Hello there. This is Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Federal Liberal Party in Ottawa, Canada. UN: Yes Mr. Ignatieff, how nice to hear from you. Ignatieff: Would you happen to have a list of passengers on a vessel traveling on the high seas toward Canada to escape the war torn country of Sri Lanka? UN: This is the first I hear of this. Ignatieff: Never mind, I'll call the Sri Lanka government. Dringgg...dringgg... Sri Lanka government: Hello. Ignatieff: Hello there. This is Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Federal Liberal Party in Ottawa, Canada. Sri Lanka government: Mr. Ignatieff, what can I do for you. Ignatieff: Would you happen to have a list of passengers on a vessel traveling on the high seas toward Canada to escape your war torn country? Sri Lanka government: Mr. Ignatieff, of all people you should know that what you ask in an invasion of the privacy of those on board the vessel. In any case, we have no such list and no knowledge of such a vessel. Ignatieff: What's the matter with you? Doesn't your government know when 490 of your citizens go missing? Sri Lanka government: Click. Did you come-up with that up, capricorn? Very clever! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
capricorn Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 Did you come-up with that up, capricorn? Very clever! Yes I did. I was inspired to write it by Ignatieff's claim that we should have collaborated with the UN and the Sri Lanka government while the boat was in the water. I tried to imagine what Ignatieff would have done to gain this cooperation before the boat docked. As if knowing who was on ship would have precluded checking each migrant individually after they came onshore. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Bonam Posted August 15, 2010 Report Posted August 15, 2010 More ships will be coming, with many more of them on board. There is no way to stop them. They will keep coming, by the thousands, until they outnumber us. Then everything we know, our people, our culture, will be gone. - Chief Blackfoot What comes around, goes around... An excellent quote. Sounds like the natives should have listened more to Blackfoot, though perhaps there was nothing they could have done to stem the tide. We, on the other hand, if we listen to our equivalents of Blackfoot, can still stay the tide of excessive immigration. Quote
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