Census - Mandatory or Voluntary

[nicky10013]

Being told what to read by some moron professor, and following through doesn't make you well read, but what else would one expect from a know it all junior with little life experience attending indoctrinate U. Can't wait for you to find out that piece of paper you are studying for means jack shit when you hit the real world and find out your starting life at the bottom just like everyone else. Only you are already tens of thousands of dollars in debt before you start, with only a piece of paper hanging on the wall that isn't fitting for you to even wipe your ass with.

BTW they have yet to make meds that help a person block out liberal idiocy, but when they do I will be the first in line to buy.

I've got that piece of paper, I'm starting out pretty well, and I graduated debt free. Furthermore, I like the term "indoctrinate U." Considering you CLEARLY never stepped inside a university, let me give you a little bit of an education. The political science and economics department within U of T is really quite conservative. See, unlike you, I managed to take what I learned and actually think for myself about what positions I take. You've never deviated from the CPC party line which tells me you really aren't smart enough to understand for yourself the true nature of the issues at hand. The majority of the time, that's put me squarely in the Liberal column. Others Conservative, rarely NDP. I've yet to see you stray from a position, even when the government flip flops.

[Alta4ever]

I've got that piece of paper, I'm starting out pretty well, and I graduated debt free. Furthermore, I like the term "indoctrinate U." Considering you CLEARLY never stepped inside a university, let me give you a little bit of an education. The political science and economics department within U of T is really quite conservative. See, unlike you, I managed to take what I learned and actually think for myself about what positions I take. You've never deviated from the CPC party line which tells me you really aren't smart enough to understand for yourself the true nature of the issues at hand. The majority of the time, that's put me squarely in the Liberal column. Others Conservative, rarely NDP. I've yet to see you stray from a position, even when the government flip flops.

I went to school it was a bloody waste of time, after six months left. Paid my meager student loans, got a job. (btw I started at the same level as all the university morons) Bought a house and paid off a mortgage in the time between when I left university and my friends did. 10 years later I was still well ahead of my university friends. Now a few more years have gone by most that i know are stuck in middle management or have gone back to take a trade because they couldn't anything with the university degree, and I have but one step left to take, CEO.

BTW I tend to end up firing more know it all 20 know it alls with University degrees because their university degree didn't actually teach them how to do the job, yet they think they can run the company.

Edited July 31, 2010 by Alta4ever

[Bonam]

I went to school it was a bloody waste of time, after six months left. Paid my meager student loans, got a job. (btw I started at the same level as all the university morons) Bought a house and paid off a mortgage in the time between when I left university and my friends did. 10 years later I was still well ahead of my university friends. Now a few more years have gone by most that i know are stuck in middle management or have gone back to take a trade because they couldn't anything with the university degree, and I have but one step left to take, CEO.

BTW I tend to end up firing more know it all 20 know it alls with University degrees because their university degree didn't actually teach them how to do the job, yet they think they can run the company.

There's definitely a lot of university degrees that aren't particularly useful. The bulk of people going for arts (including so called political/social "sciences") degrees will not be able to get jobs even slightly related to their field of study. That being said, there are many lines of work in which a university education is critical. Medicine and engineering are two excellent examples, as is real science.

[nicky10013]

I went to school it was a bloody waste of time, after six months left. Paid my meager student loans, got a job. (btw I started at the same level as all the university morons) Bought a house and paid off a mortgage in the time between when I left university and my friends did. 10 years later I was still well ahead of my university friends. Now a few more years have gone by most that i know are stuck in middle management or have gone back to take a trade because they couldn't anything with the university degree, and I have but one step left to take, CEO.

BTW I tend to end up firing more know it all 20 know it alls with University degrees because their university degree didn't actually teach them how to do the job, yet they think they can run the company.

Ah, thought so. As for me, I'm not trying to run your company. You go do that. However, the next time you want to come and tell me how a government runs, just remember who has education in what. Just because you've become successful in the private sector makes you no more qualified to comment on politics than a guy who works at McDonalds because you simply don't have the education. You know your field and that's great, but like the rest of us, outside of that you're generally sunk. And believe me, when talking about politics, you're sunk.

[nicky10013]

There's definitely a lot of university degrees that aren't particularly useful. The bulk of people going for arts (including so called political/social "sciences") degrees will not be able to get jobs even slightly related to their field of study. That being said, there are many lines of work in which a university education is critical. Medicine and engineering are two excellent examples, as is real science.

If you don't look for them, for the most part that's true. There are a lot of consulting jobs where a social science/arts degrees are really useful. For law, they say it's better to do history than anything else. Gives you the basis for research you need for school when you're searching case histories. It also depends what you do at school. I've got a bunch of extra-curriculars so it looks better on my resume than just poli sci. As with everything, what you got is what you make of it.

[Alta4ever]

There's definitely a lot of university degrees that aren't particularly useful. The bulk of people going for arts (including so called political/social "sciences") degrees will not be able to get jobs even slightly related to their field of study. That being said, there are many lines of work in which a university education is critical. Medicine and engineering are two excellent examples, as is real science.

I agree with you however I don't equate Medicine and engineering to the garbage degrees that are a dime a dozen.

[Alta4ever]

Ah, thought so. As for me, I'm not trying to run your company. You go do that. However, the next time you want to come and tell me how a government runs, just remember who has education in what. Just because you've become successful in the private sector makes you no more qualified to comment on politics than a guy who works at McDonalds because you simply don't have the education. You know your field and that's great, but like the rest of us, outside of that you're generally sunk. And believe me, when talking about politics, you're sunk.

Don't make me laugh and education in government I just about spit coffee all over the screen.

[Alta4ever]

If you don't look for them, for the most part that's true. There are a lot of consulting jobs where a social science/arts degrees are really useful. For law, they say it's better to do history than anything else. Gives you the basis for research you need for school when you're searching case histories. It also depends what you do at school. I've got a bunch of extra-curriculars so it looks better on my resume than just poli sci. As with everything, what you got is what you make of it.

You know what most look for experience, and no matter how good the teacher they can't teach you experience. There is a reason why they say those who can't, teach. The liberal leader is a prime example, he looks like a floundering fool away from the Harvard campus trying to practice what he preached. Too rich.

[nicky10013]

Don't make me laugh and education in government I just about spit coffee all over the screen.

Listen, every man is entitled to their own opinion. No man is entitled to their own facts. The facts are not on your side my friend. Besides, if your so successful in the private sector, you could afford a new screen.

[nicky10013]

You know what most look for experience, and no matter how good the teacher they can't teach you experience. There is a reason why they say those who can't, teach. The liberal leader is a prime example, he looks like a floundering fool away from the Harvard campus trying to practice what he preached. Too rich.

I don't disagree that experience is necessary. However, Ignatieff did do more than teach. He's held more jobs on just professors, then again, since you know just as much as I do because education doesn't matter, you knew that.

Edited July 31, 2010 by nicky10013

[Alta4ever]

Listen, every man is entitled to their own opinion. No man is entitled to their own facts. The facts are not on your side my friend. Besides, if your so successful in the private sector, you could afford a new screen.

The first thing you learn in business my friend is waste is the enemy.

The facts are on my side look at the mess created by the last generation of polisci students. US economy is circling the drain and the answer spend more....what a farce. Europe is but a shadow of its former self, and broke. The world is no more peaceful then its ever been, we just don't call wars wars anymore. They are conflicts police action ect. Yup the university educated government specialist has but one answer to fix it all, we need more government.

I am oh so impressed.

Edited July 31, 2010 by Alta4ever

[nicky10013]

The first thing you learn in business my friend is waste is the enemy.

I've had that one down for a while. Any more words of wisdom from the master of everything but politics? Oh, excuse me. And politics. Because, as we all know, expertise in one area translates to expertise in ALL areas. And you fire kids because they're know-it-alls. Look in the mirror, jackass.

[nicky10013]

The first thing you learn in business my friend is waste is the enemy.

The facts are on my side look at the mess created by the last generation of polisci students. US economy is circling the drain and the answer spend more....what a farce. Europe is but a shadow of its former self, and broke. The world is no more peaceful then its ever been, we just don't call wars wars anymore. They are conflicts police action ect. Yup the university educated government specialist has but one answer to fix it all, we need more government.

I am oh so impressed.

The last generation of poli sci students? The majority of people elected to government come from the business sector claiming that they're going to run the government like a corporation which is just stupid to begin with. It started with Kennedy promising to run the defense department with the ex CEO of Ford, Rob Mcnamara. Didn't work so well, yet every politician has promised the same thing since.

[Alta4ever]

I don't disagree that experience is necessary. However, Ignatieff did do more than teach. He's held more jobs on just professors, then again, since you know just as much as I do because education doesn't matter, you knew that.

Oh ya the media golden boy in the UK oooo so much the real world. That idiot couldn't lead a thirsty horse to water.

[nicky10013]

Oh ya the media golden boy in the UK oooo so much the real world. That idiot couldn't lead a thirsty horse to water.

See, you're learning. That's an opinion. The other stuff you state, they're facts and you don't know any better than the rest of us but act like you do. Hopefully you'll catch on sooner rather than later.

Edited July 31, 2010 by nicky10013

[Alta4ever]

I've had that one down for a while. Any more words of wisdom from the master of everything but politics? Oh, excuse me. And politics. Because, as we all know, expertise in one area translates to expertise in ALL areas. And you fire kids because they're know-it-alls. Look in the mirror, jackass.

I've written party policy have you? Have you even been invited to participate? Have you even sat down to coffee with a party leader provincial or otherwise?

A typical junior 20 something nothing.

[nicky10013]

I've written party policy have you? Have you even been invited to participate? Have you even sat down to coffee with a party leader provincial or otherwise?

A typical junior 20 something nothing.

Nope. Whoever asked you is in deeeeeeeeeeeep trouble. Then again it's Alberta and you're all crazy out there.

I have sat down with the President of Latvia to discuss international policy, though. Nice discussion. Didn't have great things to say about Putin, though.

Edited July 31, 2010 by nicky10013

[CANADIEN]

No, government doesn't. Society decided whether or not government gets bigger. Right now, this society seems to not mind moderate sized government.

You are completely paranoid and irrational when it comes to government.

Indeed. We are in a democracy. To a large extent, we get the government we choose, and if we do not like it, we can vote another one here.

Granted, bureaucracy is... bureaucracy, and will have a tendency to expend if we let it to its own devices. And government should not be larger (or smaller) than what we want or need it to be.

But there is a difference between wanting a smaller government and the howls of terror we hear from some every time they hear governments propose about anything.

[CANADIEN]

Whatever happened to the separation of church and state? Since when is the government expected to abet the growth of organized religion in society? If the Roman Catholic Church wants to know where to open or expand churches, they can damned well conduct their own surveys. It's not like they don't have any money. And that goes for other denominations.

if the only or main aim of the census was to allow data collection for non-gvoernment businesses and organizations, then the point about getting their own data would be valid. But the number one aim of the census is to provide statistical data useful to inform public policy making and tand for us, the population, to measure the effects of government decisions.

As for the suggestion that the separation f Church and state is being violated because religious orgnization has access to statistical data from the census, it is non-sense. Basic data from the census is available for ANYONE to see and use. Use of census data by church groups is no more a violation of the separation of Chruch and State than their use of the roads.

Edited July 31, 2010 by CANADIEN

[jbg]

Nope. But you are obviously the one who needs to learn English, if that`s what you falsely accusing me if doing:P

Kimmy is writing in Canadian.

[jbg]

This is (one of many) cases where government can be more efficient because it doesn't have to worry about making a profit, only serving the public.

And you're assuming that government workers are somehow transformed into idealists? I suspect many are lazy shufflers who collect a paycheck from a governmental institution that doesn't really concern itself with productivity.

[CANADIEN]

Kimmy is writing in Canadian.

That`s English or French Canadian?

[jbg]

Nope. Whoever asked you is in deeeeeeeeeeeep trouble. Then again it's Alberta and you're all crazy out there.

Just as many in the U.S.'s metro area assumed that the rest of the U.S. was a bunch of hicks. Until Reagan and GWB were elected. And now, the country being about to reduce the Democratic majority substantially.

Hicks do vote.

[Argus]

The last generation of poli sci students? The majority of people elected to government come from the business sector.

The majority of politicians are lawyers, actually. Layton was a Poli Sci grad, as was Ignatieff's predecessor. Ignatieff is ah uh, philosopher? Dunno, sure as hell didn't graduate from Business school.

Edited July 31, 2010 by Argus

[Mr.Canada]

Smallc specifically but anyone can comment obviously.

Why do you think that the government could or should intervene in many aspects of our lives?

Why do you turn to the government to fix the various problems in peoples lives?

Government has proven over time to very inefficient and wasteful, no matter who's at the helm. Yet you support ever growing bigger and bigger government, in turn our taxes will all go up. We cannot pay for everything under the sun that sounds like a good idea. The amount of money the taxpayer can pay isn't limitless.

When you're planning your household budget do you spend money on everything you want to do, every vacation and travel idea? Your wife wants to do? That your kids want to do?

Obviously not, you'd go broke and be deeply in debt. Same thing for the government, it's no different.

Edited July 31, 2010 by Mr.Canada