Census - Mandatory or Voluntary

[nicky10013]

Those cuts made problems for the provincial governments to deal with. Pretty easy to stroke budgetary lines out when your not responsible to the provincial governments. Chretien did the cutting the provincies did the problem solving. Had you lived the times....

Yeah but considering you're the libertarian and don't want government, shouldn't you like the fact that the feds made them do it?

[Smallc]

Those cuts made problems for the provincial governments to deal with. Pretty easy to stroke budgetary lines out when your not responsible to the provincial governments. Chretien did the cutting the provincies did the problem solving. Had you lived the times....

I was alive then, thanks, and the federal government absorbed much of the cost. Quit trying to revise history.

[Smallc]

Yeah but considering you're the libertarian and don't want government, shouldn't you like the fact that the feds made them do it?

No no. You see, those cuts were different...because Liberals made them.

[Alta4ever]

I was alive then, thanks, and the federal government absorbed much of the cost. Quit trying to revise history.

What the age 3 or 4?

[Smallc]

What the age 3 or 4?

I would not have been very old. I can read though.

[nicky10013]

What the age 3 or 4?

What does it matter? Lets say for a moment that's true. Even if it was, clearly, considering the debate of facts here, we've got a clearly grasp on history even though you lived it and "remember." The mind remembers what it wants to. No doubt, that's why your grip on reality is so shallow.

[Alta4ever]

Yeah but considering you're the libertarian and don't want government, shouldn't you like the fact that the feds made them do it?

They didn't make the government smaller they just downloaded the burden on the provincial government.

Why is that I need to give university students schooling and required reading.

Go read TAX ME I"M CANADIAN. If you are able to read something not writen by a TO red star journalist or a wannabe on rabble.

[nicky10013]

They didn't make the government smaller they just downloaded the burden on the provincial government.

Why is that I need to give university students schooling and required reading.

Go read TAX ME I"M CANADIAN. If you are able to read something not writen by a TO red star journalist or a wannabe on rabble.

Hahahah you attempt to school me on required reading and you give me that? Despite being much younger, considering your rambling, I can guarantee you I'm much better read than you already. Then again, considering some of your posts today, that wouldn't take much.

[Smallc]

They didn't make the government smaller they just downloaded the burden on the provincial government.

Then by definition, they made the federal government smaller. What the provinces did was up to them.

Go read TAX ME I"M CANADIAN. If you are able to read something not writen by a TO red star journalist or a wannabe on rabble.

That book is absolutely stupid. Canadians aren't taxed that high in comparison to much of the western world.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Smallc

[Alta4ever]

What does it matter? Lets say for a moment that's true. Even if it was, clearly, considering the debate of facts here, we've got a clearly grasp on history even though you lived it and "remember." The mind remembers what it wants to. No doubt, that's why your grip on reality is so shallow.

I have yet to meet a child of that age that has the awareness to understand what is going on in politics.

You don't seem to have a clear grasp on history just the history as seen through your liberal/progressive professors eyes.

Not only did I live it junior, I continue to study it.

Quite drinking the red kool aide, there is the possibility your "leader" professor poisoned it for you. Or is that reference from the eighties just a little to old for you to understand.

[Alta4ever]

Then by definition, they made the federal government smaller. What the provinces did was up to them.

That book is absolutely stupid. Canadians aren't taxed that high in comparison to much of the western world.

You don't even know what its about......lol

Its not about how high your taxes are its about how the government spends them. Most of it is about the 90's.

Read it or are you to chicken shit?

Edited July 30, 2010 by Alta4ever

[Smallc]

You don't even know what its about......lol

Oh come now, taxes obviously play some part in it.

Its not about how high your taxes are its about how the government spends them. Most of it is about the 90's.

And you know what? Many of the thing that you consider bad, I probably wouldn't.

Read it or are you to chicken shit?

It's not going to turn me into a conservative, if that's what you're hoping.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Smallc

[Argus]

Voluntary census forms far and away over represent white middle class suburbanites. It under represents poor ethnic minorities. Considering that most social programmes not called medicare are directed at poor immigrant communities, the need for census accuracy speaks for itself.

And how will asking how many toilets are in a house give that information? Please reference the actual questions on the census, such as are you married? If you are, is it common law? Did you come from another province? Another country? What year did you come here? What were the ethnic origins of your ancestors? Where were your parents born? What is your race? What is the address where you work? How many rooms are in your dwelling? Which of you pays the rent or mortgage? How much do you pay?

I dare you to come up with a legitimate reason why the government needs to know the origins of my ancestors.

You were mocking me and a few others because we supported something, "without knowing why." It seems to me that this explanation, as well as my original, combined with a couple responses from SmallC indicates we full well know why.

What you guys don't get is that collecting information is not an end to itself. It is merely a means for assisting in doing something else. I don't want to hear experts who were asked by the media if a voluntary census would be less mathematically accurate. I want to hear what program will be made more difficult by less accurate information of the sort up above, and why.

Btw, less accurate means what exactly? How much less accurate?

[Argus]

Firstly, this "poll" is hardly scientific. Secondly, as the census debate has raged on, the numbers have moved away from an even split. So even that assumption has been proven wrong.

As the media have come out with breathless, shocking, scandalized quotes day after day from various academics and such the gullible out there have shrugged and said "Well, I guess it's sort of important. I mean, I don't really know why but all those guys in the paper seem to think it is so I guess it must be true."

I think that's a direct quote of smallc, actually.

[Argus]

Maybe that information is all that's stood between lousy policies and total collapse. In the end it could be the only real glue that's holding Canada together.

I hope that was written tongue in cheek...

[Argus]

I thought so too, but according to officials with the City of Vancouver, it's actually a very important question in terms of social planning.

Really? How? In what way?

[nicky10013]

I have yet to meet a child of that age that has the awareness to understand what is going on in politics.

You don't seem to have a clear grasp on history just the history as seen through your liberal/progressive professors eyes.

Not only did I live it junior, I continue to study it.

Quite drinking the red kool aide, there is the possibility your "leader" professor poisoned it for you. Or is that reference from the eighties just a little to old for you to understand.

Hahahaha and heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere comes the anti-intellectualism.

And of course I don't have any knowledge of history, only part of my degree is part of that. Means nothing, though.

[nicky10013]

And how will asking how many toilets are in a house give that information? Please reference the actual questions on the census, such as are you married? If you are, is it common law? Did you come from another province? Another country? What year did you come here? What were the ethnic origins of your ancestors? Where were your parents born? What is your race? What is the address where you work? How many rooms are in your dwelling? Which of you pays the rent or mortgage? How much do you pay?

I dare you to come up with a legitimate reason why the government needs to know the origins of my ancestors.

What you guys don't get is that collecting information is not an end to itself. It is merely a means for assisting in doing something else. I don't want to hear experts who were asked by the media if a voluntary census would be less mathematically accurate. I want to hear what program will be made more difficult by less accurate information of the sort up above, and why.

Btw, less accurate means what exactly? How much less accurate?

Health care delivery. Poorer neighbourhoods don't have as high access to GPs for families. Find out where those areas are and you can direct spending to hopefully fix the problem.

As for less accurate, I can't be sure. Ask a statistician. They know more about this than I do. Apparently that's a concept conservatives can't grasp.

[nicky10013]

Oh come now, taxes obviously play some part in it.

Hahah what a great answer.

[nicky10013]

Hahahaha. How Harper views the mandatory census.

[nicky10013]

Even the Catholics want a mandatory census.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/bishops-castigate-clement-on-census-change/article1657511/

[Argus]

Funny you should ask why that information is needed. The number of rooms in a house is very indicative of spending patterns and wealth. When you have a collection of homes in one area with fewer rooms and a smaller square footage, you know where certain social programs can be directed.

Every city has the complete blueprints and data for every building constructed there. They don't need a census to tell them where the bigger homes are. For that matter, I don't need to consult a census to know where the bigger, richer neighbourhoods are in my city. Do you? I also know where the poorer neighborhoods are, and so does the city. They're where all those people on welfare or assisted living are.

[Argus]

They aren't entitled to share the information.

Suppose they do. These are not anonymous forms, you know. You have to put your name, age, phone number, address, date of birth, and everything else in there. If you're secretly in the closet, well, the government still wants to know if you're gay, and if you are, who you're living with. Just how much security do they have there anyway?

[capricorn]

Even the Catholics want a mandatory census.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/bishops-castigate-clement-on-census-change/article1657511/

You mean Catholic Bishops want to keep the census as is. I'm catholic and the Bishops don't speak for me.

The bishop said data from the long form is important to religious groups.

“This is one of the only ways in which we, at the national, regional and diocesan levels, can gain knowledge of the demographics and identify the geographic areas where our services are required,” he said in his letter.

Whatever happened to the separation of church and state? Since when is the government expected to abet the growth of organized religion in society? If the Roman Catholic Church wants to know where to open or expand churches, they can damned well conduct their own surveys. It's not like they don't have any money. And that goes for other denominations.

The Bishops want...my foot!

[Alta4ever]

Hahahah you attempt to school me on required reading and you give me that? Despite being much younger, considering your rambling, I can guarantee you I'm much better read than you already. Then again, considering some of your posts today, that wouldn't take much.

Being told what to read by some moron professor, and following through doesn't make you well read, but what else would one expect from a know it all junior with little life experience attending indoctrinate U. Can't wait for you to find out that piece of paper you are studying for means jack shit when you hit the real world and find out your starting life at the bottom just like everyone else. Only you are already tens of thousands of dollars in debt before you start, with only a piece of paper hanging on the wall that isn't fitting for you to even wipe your ass with.

BTW they have yet to make meds that help a person block out liberal idiocy, but when they do I will be the first in line to buy.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Alta4ever