Multirculturalism Fails canada

[lictor616]

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/salim_mansur/2010/04/30/13777901.html

The recent comments by Ujjal Dosanjh, former NDP premier of British Columbia and present Liberal MP for Vancouver South, in reference to multiculturalism and political correctness are politically significant and commendable.

The high value of Dosanjh asking tough and relevant questions on a subject that is near taboo among the political and media elite is partly because he represents liberal-left thinking in the country.

In a column for the National Post on April 23, Dosanjh contended minority communities—immigrants of non-European origin—threaten the social fabric of Canada by an obsession with injustices in their “homelands” in the recent or distant past. The result is excessive emphasis “placed on the differences that keep us apart from each other” and “diminishing emphasis on commonalities and values that bind us.”

Dosanjh knows from experience what he speaks and writes about in unmasking the negative consequences of multiculturalism. He was a prominent victim of violence for publicly opposing extremists in the Sikh community to which he belongs by birth.

Sikh extremists are not alone in sheltering behind the politics of multiculturalism, then pushing their agenda that runs counter to Canada’s national interests and liberal democratic values.

Advance their agenda

The obvious 800-pound gorilla in Canadian politics—as it is in most of the western democracies—is the ideology of Islamism dressed as religion and its adherents skilfully exploiting multiculturalism to advance their agenda, whether it be importing Shariah (Islamic laws) or undermining Canada’s support for Israel.

Multiculturalism as a doctrine stipulates all cultures are of equal merit and deserve equal treatment. What remain unspecified—perhaps deliberately—in this formula are the criteria by which the equality of cultures is assessed.

Moreover, since the multicultural doctrine is untenable and easily falsified, it can only be sustained by the heavy-handed political correctness of the Canadian state promoting this balderdash at much expense and increasing public dismay.

The idea that Canada has been multicultural since the first Europeans arrived on its shores is a recent invention. It was devised out of necessity and bad faith to mitigate the challenge that Quebec nationalism and separatism presented to English Canada.

It could be said that Canada with its aboriginal population was multicultural. But once the English and the French engaged to wrestle control over this vast country, the Canada that eventually emerged as a dominion was bicultural and bilingual.

Immigration made Canada multi-ethnic. The success of modern, liberal democratic and multi-ethnic Canada rests upon the indispensable strength, culture and history of the founding peoples—English and French, Protestants and Catholics—and the institutions they built that would take in immigrants from around the world.

Diminishes history

Multiculturalism is a diminution of Canada’s founding history. It diminishes the vitality and largeness of the political culture that has accommodated a multitude of ethnicities within its borders, while it fails in bringing to immigrants—especially of non-European origin—a compensating increase in appreciation for those values that went into building Canada as a model of civility.

Dosanjh has done a much-needed service to his country. It is now for the rest of us to engage in a constructive discussion on how to roll back multiculturalism, this doctrine of divisiveness, for the love of Canada.

[August1991]

And in other news, Canadians fail spelling test.

MLF posters fail to post comment.

[Jack Weber]

And in other news, Canadians fail spelling test.

MLF posters fail to post comment.

Yeah...

But it's a racially and genetically superior spelling error!!!!

[lictor616]

Yeah...

But it's a racially and genetically superior spelling error!!!!

ooh tihihihi!

way to avoid this one jack!

[GostHacked]

Multiculturalism is how Canada got it's start. Mostly European countries like the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, ect ect ect.

Never forget that.

It's probably because they were all white before.

Edited July 16, 2010 by GostHacked

[charter.rights]

Multiculturalism is how Canada got it's start. Mostly European countries like the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, ect ect ect.

Never forget that.

It's probably because they were all white before.

I agree. Maybe if all the Europeans had just stayed home in the first place, Kanata would be a much more loving and peaceful place.

[Argus]

Multiculturalism is how Canada got it's start. Mostly European countries like the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, ect ect ect.

Never forget that.

It's probably because they were all white before.

Nonsense. There might have been people from other nations but Canada was English through and through everywhere but Quebec. No other cultures were respected nor were there any provisions or even desire by the state for people from anywhere other than the British Isles to perpetuate their home cultures here. The prevailing mindset was the sooner they forgot about Spain, Germany, Italy, etc, and became Canadian - ie, became English, the better.

[Argus]

I agree. Maybe if all the Europeans had just stayed home in the first place, Kanata would be a much more loving and peaceful place.

It would be just another third world hellhole, with the illiterate natives still worshiping the sun god, and still dying at forty of preventable diseases.

[Smallc]

I agree. Maybe if all the Europeans had just stayed home in the first place, Kanata would be a much more loving and peaceful place.

Oh, I'm sure it would be a lovely place. Maybe it would even have moved into the bronze age....

Edited July 16, 2010 by Smallc

[Smallc]

Nonsense. There might have been people from other nations but Canada was English through and through everywhere but Quebec. No other cultures were respected

Well, that is about how you feel...but it isn't reality. There were many cultures (even if they were all white) even if no one respected them.

[charter.rights]

Nonsense. There might have been people from other nations but Canada was English through and through everywhere but Quebec. No other cultures were respected nor were there any provisions or even desire by the state for people from anywhere other than the British Isles to perpetuate their home cultures here. The prevailing mindset was the sooner they forgot about Spain, Germany, Italy, etc, and became Canadian - ie, became English, the better.

Either you don't know our history, or you are being deliberately obtuse.

Upper and Lower Canada (read Ontario and Quebec) was predominantly Native and French until after the Loyalists fled from the United States.

The west was populated and expanded by Solvaks, Polish, Jewish, Ukrainians, Russians and later Asians. We could go on and on. The idea that there were only English in Canada is a myth perpetuated by the Victorians and later the Conservatives that wanted to exploit Canada and its resources for their own personal gain.

[Argus]

Well, that is about how you feel...but it isn't reality. There were many cultures (even if they were all white) even if no one respected them.

My statement had nothing to do with how I felt. It had to do with historical Canada, and it's notorious British mentality that anyone who wasn't British was a bloody wog, and thus an inferior. They certainly made no provisions for granting other cultures equal status. They very idea would have stunned them, then set them to snickering uncontrollably.

As to how I feel about different cultures - that depends on the accomplishments and behavior of the people who belong to a given culture.

[Argus]

Upper and Lower Canada (read Ontario and Quebec) was predominantly Native and French until after the Loyalists fled from the United States.

We were talking about Canada, yes, which means past the point where we used phrases like upper and lower Canada. Ie, when there was a nation here called Canada.

The west was populated and expanded by Solvaks, Polish, Jewish, Ukrainians, Russians and later Asians. We could go on and on. The idea that there were only English in Canada is a myth perpetuated by the Victorians and later the Conservatives that wanted to exploit Canada and its resources for their own personal gain.

I didn't say there was only English in Canada. I said the accepted national culture was that of England, and the accepted language was English, and of that there can be no real argument. Not that you won't try.

[charter.rights]

Oh, I'm sure it would be a lovely place. Maybe it would even have moved into the bronze age....

Right and Europeans would still be pissing and shitting in their drinking water - oh wait....they still are....and bathing once a year...damn if not for the native's variety of good foods, sense of hygiene, civil order and good government, Europeans would still be living in stinking aristocracies eating rotting cabbages and drinking beer because their water was poison. Damn the indians sure got it good from us, right?

[charter.rights]

We were talking about Canada, yes, which means past the point where we used phrases like upper and lower Canada. Ie, when there was a nation here called Canada.

Nope. You said:

"Nonsense. There might have been people from other nations but Canada was English "

I didn't say there was only English in Canada. I said the accepted national culture was that of England, and the accepted language was English, and of that there can be no real argument. Not that you won't try.

And where do you think all those French Natives, Slovaks etc...went? Did they just "poof" disappear? Not on your life. The Victorians (and we are talking post confederation) deliberately changed history and the culture to exclude all of those ethnic groups, in order to remove their power and authority.

[charter.rights]

It would be just another third world hellhole, with the illiterate natives still worshiping the sun god, and still dying at forty of preventable diseases.

Yup you are ignorant too about natives and the history of Canada.

[Smallc]

Right and Europeans would still be pissing and shitting in their drinking water - oh wait....they still are....and bathing once a year...damn if not for the native's variety of good foods, sense of hygiene, civil order and good government, Europeans would still be living in stinking aristocracies eating rotting cabbages and drinking beer because their water was poison. Damn the indians sure got it good from us, right?

So not yet in the bronze age then, I take it?

[Molly]

Nonsense. There might have been people from other nations but Canada was English through and through everywhere but Quebec. No other cultures were respected nor were there any provisions or even desire by the state for people from anywhere other than the British Isles to perpetuate their home cultures here. The prevailing mindset was the sooner they forgot about Spain, Germany, Italy, etc, and became Canadian - ie, became English, the better.

Nope. Outside a swath a couple of hundred miles wide(at it's widest) between Windsor and the Atlantic ocean, that is simply not true. It is a fallacy proposed mostly by folks from Quebec, occassionally supported by Ontarians (some of whom wish it was so). (Victoria is the exception.)

English was the lingua franca in Canada because some common language was desperately needed, and the monarchy is the model upon which our agreed-to government is built. As for anything else, any day-to-day worldview/taste/conduct/attitude- any identity or set of values to be admired- well, holopsi holds a far bigger place in the collective culture than bangers and mash.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Molly

[Wild Bill]

Right and Europeans would still be pissing and shitting in their drinking water - oh wait....they still are....and bathing once a year...damn if not for the native's variety of good foods, sense of hygiene, civil order and good government, Europeans would still be living in stinking aristocracies eating rotting cabbages and drinking beer because their water was poison. Damn the indians sure got it good from us, right?

You're re-writing history again. We've already seen instances of bands getting the feds to build them a water treatment plant, demanding that all the operating jobs are given to natives, the plant falls apart due to poor or non-existent maintenance, the band gets media coverage about how they don't have good water and presto! the feds build them another plant!

Natives mostly don't seem to have much technological capacity in their communities. There's nothing wrong with that per se but when they don't recognize that and allow for it then they can't expect things to work! If you want the jobs of running machinery you have to not just attend the training but learn and practice it! If you can't or don't want to do that then you should hire others more qualified to do it for you. Machinery doesn't give a damn about 'culture'. It works by Mother Nature's Laws of Physics and Chemistry. You obey Mother's Laws or the machine breaks down and stops working.

Period and end of story. This also stands for mainstream Canada. Too often we see technical problems being addressed by those without the background to make a decision that works, such as McGuinty with electrical energy.

Everybody's got an opinion that won't work, yet democracy says that everybody is entitled to be heard. If enough yammerheads want a system where water will naturally flow uphill then huge sums of money can be wasted trying but in the end, the water will NOT flow uphill!

[Argus]

And where do you think all those French Natives, Slovaks etc...went? Did they just "poof" disappear? Not on your life. The Victorians (and we are talking post confederation) deliberately changed history and the culture to exclude all of those ethnic groups, in order to remove their power and authority.

I'm not responsible for refuting a version of history which was given to you by your toaster.

[charter.rights]

So not yet in the bronze age then, I take it?

No. The Europeans were in the "septic disease and torture your neighbour" age.

Oh and by the way. Archaeology has revealed that native people were smelting and working non-ferrous metals more than 5000-1000 years before Europeans stole the technology. And without the Asian victims we would have never developed the technology for gunpowder. Although I do know we had a penchant for cooking women over an open fire in the belief they could place a magic spell over our grand daddy. Might have something to do with being retarded drunks......

Edited July 16, 2010 by charter.rights

[charter.rights]

I'm not responsible for refuting a version of history which was given to you by your toaster.

You can't refute it because you don't know it, or don't believe it, which ever is your bi-sexual orientation....

[charter.rights]

You're re-writing history again. We've already seen instances of bands getting the feds to build them a water treatment plant, demanding that all the operating jobs are given to natives, the plant falls apart due to poor or non-existent maintenance, the band gets media coverage about how they don't have good water and presto! the feds build them another plant!

Natives mostly don't seem to have much technological capacity in their communities. There's nothing wrong with that per se but when they don't recognize that and allow for it then they can't expect things to work! If you want the jobs of running machinery you have to not just attend the training but learn and practice it! If you can't or don't want to do that then you should hire others more qualified to do it for you. Machinery doesn't give a damn about 'culture'. It works by Mother Nature's Laws of Physics and Chemistry. You obey Mother's Laws or the machine breaks down and stops working.

Period and end of story. This also stands for mainstream Canada. Too often we see technical problems being addressed by those without the background to make a decision that works, such as McGuinty with electrical energy.

Everybody's got an opinion that won't work, yet democracy says that everybody is entitled to be heard. If enough yammerheads want a system where water will naturally flow uphill then huge sums of money can be wasted trying but in the end, the water will NOT flow uphill!

So who do you ~think~ designs those flawed sanitary and water systems, WB? It sure isn't the native people themselves even though there are many professionals capable of doing the design and construction.

On one reserve (this is one example of many) I work with, the Band Council has been trying for 15 years to get approval for funding for a new water treatment plant. The first 8 or so years they were ignored. The government then commissioned a $7 million consultant to "study" the problem. After 5 years of ignoring the findings and recommendations, the government requested that another $15 million study be commissioned in order to include the moist advanced technology possible to deal with the problems. The consultants report recommended a $100 million plant using technology that has never been tried anywhere else in the world. It is an experiment on First Nation children and old people. However, the estimated $100 million price tag does not include hooking up the water supply to houses - that had to be born by the Band. But then the icing: there is no funding available this year or next for such a large capital project. Meanwhile 60% of the households have non-potable water piped from wells that were contaminated from an off-reserve garbage dump, and accelerated by off-reserve gravel pits and quarries.

So who is to blame Bill? The natives for not taking control of their own lives? Hmmmm?

And BTW. The money for all the consultants and the cost of the capital project all comes out of the INAC budget. There are billions of dollars that do not directly benefit First Nations in the INAC budgets.

[ZenOps]

Cthulhu demands spellcheck

If you come from a background where racial issues result in inequality, then multiculturalism is bad. Bad in the sense that it can be discriminatory and oppressive.

Many middle eastern and black nations tend to fall into this category. Chinese tend to fall into the religionless or agnostic category, meaning that multiculturalism is not so much of "failure". Its more of a "make sure all the unshaved male engineers are in the basement, and have a sexy female secretary pool in the visible area" idea.

Religion has long been used as a tool of multicultural racism (and sexism as well) sometimes resulting in segregation. But then again - at the beginning of the century, Canada was against religionless athiests (godless people) more than alternate religions.

As with many nowadays - I worship corporations (and maybe a tentacled divine being)

[Michael Hardner]

Trying to figure out what this means:

Multiculturalism is a diminution of Canada’s founding history. It diminishes the vitality and largeness of the political culture that has accommodated a multitude of ethnicities within its borders, while it fails in bringing to immigrants—especially of non-European origin—a compensating increase in appreciation for those values that went into building Canada as a model of civility.

Multiculturalism diminishes the political culture that (created multiculturalism and) accommodated many cultures, while it fails to bring to immigrants an increase in appreciation for building Canada... i.e. racial tolerance...

What ?

Unless they're saying that official multiculturalism fails to appreciate the common-sense version of racial tolerance that came before, this makes no sense. And if that is what they're saying... then why did Lictor quote it ? Certainly he's against all forms of tolerance and racial sensitivity right ?