jbg Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 What would you consider non-abritrary? That question is hardly relevant in view of Jordan't refusal to recognize Israel or its refusal of Israel's 1967 request to stand down and not get involved in the Six Day War. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) Singing "Tiptoe Through the Tulips" with Tiny Tim on Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In. Heh...heh. I think Tiny Tim was from 1968...lol. Re: Nasser. He had his newly Soviet equipped army/airforce as did Syria. Jordan was a bit more old-school using British gear for the most part. Nasser, himself, I doubt really wanted a REAL war with Israel. At least at that point in time. But events got away on the guy. He had already begun moving his forces up to the border knowing full well Israel would have to call-up its reserves...after a month or so (he figured) of having the Israeli army in the field, the Israeli economy would be crippled. They'd sue for peace on his terms, for sure...especially in light of the impressive Arab armored force poised to strike. Trouble was his rabid anti-Israeli speeches were whipping-up the pro-war sentiment not only in Egypt, but across the entire Middle-East. To the point where action was expected and demanded. He had painted himself into a corner...war was now the only way out. The Israelis were all too aware of this. They couldn't allow the massive Arab armies to strike first and carry the fight into Israel which was and still is...tiny. So the 6 Day War occured. The water crisis is a bit of a red herring as both sides were playing the ol' divert the river game. But it was indeed a factor in events leading-up the the major fighting. Fatah were busy beavers at the time, as well, if I recall. But, if you ask me, the 6 Day War occured when it did because Nasser was playing with his brand new toy soldiers a tad too close to the danger-zone. Edited July 16, 2010 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
naomiglover Posted July 16, 2010 Author Report Posted July 16, 2010 Colonization was once accepted in the West, just like slavery was. Just because some things were practiced in the past, it doesn't make it okay. What a weak and desperate argument some of you are trying to make. We have also created and have become signatories to international laws, some of which came into effect after the genocide of Jews and the creation of Israel. There is no question where the border lies and there is no question that East Jerusalem is not part of Israel. No country recognizes Israel annexation and everyone, including Israel's strongest allies believe the settlements and annexation to be illegal. The demolishing of Palestinian homes are a violation of international law and anyone who tries to dispute this, believes Israel is somehow above international law. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) The demolishing of Palestinian homes are a violation of international law and anyone who tries to dispute this, believes Israel is somehow above international law. ....unless my buddies in Hamas do it. http://www.shalomlife.com/eng/12616/Hamas_Bulldoze_Homes_in_Gaza/ http://www.thedailynewsegypt.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119303&catid=1&Itemid=183 http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iFPsv5xO7nPqyXEwz2NH6fzRAtCQ btw try: The demolition of Palestinian homes is a violation of international law... Edited July 16, 2010 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
ToadBrother Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Colonization was once accepted in the West, just like slavery was. Just because some things were practiced in the past, it doesn't make it okay. What a weak and desperate argument some of you are trying to make. We have also created and have become signatories to international laws, some of which came into effect after the genocide of Jews and the creation of Israel. There is no question where the border lies and there is no question that East Jerusalem is not part of Israel. No country recognizes Israel annexation and everyone, including Israel's strongest allies believe the settlements and annexation to be illegal. The demolishing of Palestinian homes are a violation of international law and anyone who tries to dispute this, believes Israel is somehow above international law. Endlessly repeating the same tired talking points doesn't make them true. The Palestinians will never get East Jerusalem back. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) Endlessly repeating the same tired talking points doesn't make them true. The Palestinians will never get East Jerusalem back. The Israelis got it back the same way the Arabs got it in the first place. Seems fair enough. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637) Edited July 16, 2010 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Colonization was once accepted in the West, just like slavery was. Just because some things were practiced in the past, it doesn't make it okay. What a weak and desperate argument some of you are trying to make. Oh, so since Canada and the U.S. have already subjugated their PalestIndians, now you want to get "religion" about what is OK and not OK? Are you also advocating for modern women's rights in Palestine? We have also created and have become signatories to international laws, some of which came into effect after the genocide of Jews and the creation of Israel. Please name these "international laws" and enforcement provisions....you have yet to do this, purposely staying vague on the matter when challenged. There is no question where the border lies and there is no question that East Jerusalem is not part of Israel. No country recognizes Israel annexation and everyone, including Israel's strongest allies believe the settlements and annexation to be illegal. So was the invasion of Iqaq! LOL! The demolishing of Palestinian homes are a violation of international law and anyone who tries to dispute this, believes Israel is somehow above international law. Then apparently Palestinians are also above international law. Problem solved...may the best lawbreaker win. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ToadBrother Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Then apparently Palestinians are also above international law. Problem solved...may the best lawbreaker win. This probably describes international politics since time immemorial. Quote
jbg Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Colonization was once accepted in the West, just like slavery was. Just because some things were practiced in the past, it doesn't make it okay. What a weak and desperate argument some of you are trying to make.Maybe some of the original reasons for colonization are coming back to the fore. When the people of a given area make life dangerous for travelers on land or the high seas the commercial world takes notice.We have also created and have become signatories to international laws, some of which came into effect after the genocide of Jews and the creation of Israel.Which ones?There is no question where the border lies and there is no question that East Jerusalem is not part of Israel. No country recognizes Israel annexation and everyone, including Israel's strongest allies believe the settlements and annexation to be illegal. Maybe in your mind. The demolishing of Palestinian homes are a violation of international law and anyone who tries to dispute this, believes Israel is somehow above international law. Maybe the Palestinians should unilaterally stop the war. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 There are no Israeli settlements in Gaza. Not anymore. According to anything I read the last one was abandoned in 2009. I could be wrong. And what of those in the West Bank? My original question still stands. And I'd still like to know when those buildings in Jerusalem were built, again that would shed light on that specific situation. Israel does not and has not in recent years approved the building of any such settlements in Gaza. But at one time they did exist. And for what purpose? Why did they leave? Quote
bloodyminded Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Maybe some of the original reasons for colonization are coming back to the fore. You mean Power and Wealth. They remain the primary purposes, always, yes. Maybe the Palestinians should unilaterally stop the war. Impossible. Israel has to step up as well. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Impossible. Israel has to step up as well. Perhaps hand over former occupied areas... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Not anymore. According to anything I read the last one was abandoned in 2009. I could be wrong. And what of those in the West Bank? My original question still stands. And I'd still like to know when those buildings in Jerusalem were built, again that would shed light on that specific situation. You're right...that you're wrong. 2005 is the number we were looking for (Jeopardy music starts playing). But at one time they did exist. And for what purpose? Why did they leave? See: The Six Day War...they left in hopes of appeasing Hamas. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
naomiglover Posted July 16, 2010 Author Report Posted July 16, 2010 You're right...that you're wrong. 2005 is the number we were looking for (Jeopardy music starts playing). See: The Six Day War...they left in hopes of appeasing Hamas. The occupation remains. Gaza has been turned into an open air prison, complete with a 200m buffer zone. Over 40% of Gaza's farmland is inside the buffer zone. Anyone who enters this buffer zone risks getting killed. Just ask the family of the woman who was killed yesterday as she went out looking for her little boy. Gazans cannot move anything out and cannot move anything into Gaza. They're unable to have any type of economy because most of what they had was destroyed when Gaza was attacked. Factories and plants are mostly either totally gone or they're damaged. Israel has no problem keeping the place that way. Removing the 7000 settlers from Gaza and planting them into the West Bank has done nothing. The only reason they were removed was because they were costing Israel too much to keep secure. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 naiomi: an AK-47 can be picked-up for about $2000 Canadian for a good one. A quick flight to Lebanon should allow you to hook up with your chums in Hezbollah. Then you'll be free to kill Israelis like your hero Samir Kuntar and such. Let me know via PM if you need help with the purchace of said weapon or airline tickets. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Factories and plants are mostly either totally gone or they're damaged. Israel has no problem keeping the place that way. False...they can still make rockets and suicide bomber vests....but there is a limited market for these! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Tickets...what am I saying??? Ticket...a one way trip, no doubt. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
naomiglover Posted July 16, 2010 Author Report Posted July 16, 2010 False...they can still make rockets and suicide bomber vests....but there is a limited market for these! Those will continue to flow in through the tunnels. Another sign that the blockade is not doing what Israel wants the world to believe what it's doing. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
naomiglover Posted July 16, 2010 Author Report Posted July 16, 2010 naiomi: an AK-47 can be picked-up for about $2000 Canadian for a good one. A quick flight to Lebanon should allow you to hook up with your chums in Hezbollah. Then you'll be free to kill Israelis like your hero Samir Kuntar and such. Let me know via PM if you need help with the purchace of said weapon or airline tickets. Let me know when you're finally able to respond to a post without your usual weak attempt at grouping anyone who criticizes Israel with terrorists. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 Those will continue to flow in through the tunnels. Another sign that the blockade is not doing what Israel wants the world to believe what it's doing. No, rocket and suicide suit production is still down from before. The blockade is having an impact on that. Hell, Canadian and Mexican dope and weapons traffickers dig tunnels to the United States, but that doesn't mean we give up! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
naomiglover Posted July 16, 2010 Author Report Posted July 16, 2010 No, rocket and suicide suit production is still down from before. The blockade is having an impact on that. Hell, Canadian and Mexican dope and weapons traffickers dig tunnels to the United States, but that doesn't mean we give up! Suicide attacks have been down since well before the blockade. The rockets were already down. In fact, Hamas did not shoot one rocket until Israel broke the truce. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
Bonam Posted July 16, 2010 Report Posted July 16, 2010 The rockets were already down. In fact, Hamas did not shoot one rocket until Israel broke the truce. And yet many rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel during that timeframe. Quote
Remiel Posted July 17, 2010 Report Posted July 17, 2010 That question is hardly relevant in view of Jordan't refusal to recognize Israel or its refusal of Israel's 1967 request to stand down and not get involved in the Six Day War. Neither do I care, nor am I talking, about Jordan. I mean, with regards to only the Palestinians, what parts of present day Jerusalem could, at least hypothetically, be redesignated as belonging to a seperate municipality belonging to a future Palestinian state on the basis that they were not part of the Jerusalem of yesteryear that belonged to the ancient Jews. Quote
jbg Posted July 17, 2010 Report Posted July 17, 2010 Neither do I care, nor am I talking, about Jordan. I mean, with regards to only the Palestinians, what parts of present day Jerusalem could, at least hypothetically, be redesignated as belonging to a seperate municipality belonging to a future Palestinian state on the basis that they were not part of the Jerusalem of yesteryear that belonged to the ancient Jews. Why do you want to salami-slice Israel further? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
naomiglover Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Posted July 17, 2010 And yet many rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel during that timeframe. No. It wasn't many. The numbers were very low and were fired by fringe militant groups who learned how to make homemade rockets that did not kill anyone. But I'm sure after you look at how low the numbers were and how most either fell in Gaza or in open field and how no Israelis were killed, you will still comeback and say Israel's attack was justified. Why? Because you're not interested in being honest and only want to find any excuse to justify Israel's attack. Here are the numbers: Wikipedia Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
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