naomiglover Posted June 22, 2010 Report Posted June 22, 2010 The US State Department has expressed concern about an Israeli plan for the demolition of 22 Palestinian homes in occupied East Jerusalem. Spokesman PJ Crowley said it was the kind of action that undermined trust and increased the risk of violence. This is not the first time the Jerusalem municipality has gone above the Israeli government to give the green light to illegally demolish and clear Palestinians homes in East Jerusalem. Will the Israeli government step in or will this be another evidence that Israel lacks any motivation to have peace and respect international law and the international community? Israel's Defense Minister did issue the following comment: The Jerusalem municipality and the planning committee have shown a lack of common sense and sense of timing Link Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
M.Dancer Posted June 22, 2010 Report Posted June 22, 2010 Skill testing question: What can arabs do legally in East Jerusalem that they cannot do in the West Bank? 1) Dance with men and women 2) Listen to Elton John 3) Download and share music files 4) Sell Property to Jews. The Shepherd Hotel in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood was purchased by American Jewish tycoon Irving Moskowitz in 1985 for $1 million. Moskowitz, an influential supporter of Ateret Cohanim and heightened Israeli settlement in East Jerusalem, plans to tear down the hotel and build housing units for Jewish Israelis in its place. The local planning council initially approved the plan in July, a move that angered Britain and the United States and prompted them to call on Israel to cancel the plans. The council issued its final approval for the project last Thursday, which now enables the settlers to begin their construction at once. An existing structure in the area will be town down to make room for the housing units, while the historic Shepherd Hotel will remain intact. A three-story parking structure and an access road will also be constructed on site. http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-to-u-s-latest-east-jerusalem-building-okayed-last-year-1.266617 There is nothing illegal about it. The land was sold and paid for and the building permits were issued. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 22, 2010 Report Posted June 22, 2010 .... Will the Israeli government step in or will this be another evidence that Israel lacks any motivation to have peace and respect international law and the international community? I'm thinking the latter...just to be consistent. A Caterpillar D-9 in full IDF armored trim is a mean, green, demolition machine! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 The Jerusalem municipality and the planning committee have shown a lack of common sense and sense of timingLink Are all of your threads about Israel or the Jews, or Jewish influence? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Remiel Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) 4) Sell Property to Jews. Is the problem in this case so much the legal ability to sell, or the willingness to only sell to certain people? When you point out a case where Palestinians sold land to Jews, it seems ironic that when the tables are turned, that same land, once partioned into housing, is not available for Palestinians to buy back. Neither the Palestinians nor the Jews in Israel have, as a whole, anything to brag about when it comes to cohabitation. Edited July 8, 2010 by Remiel Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 Is the problem in this case so much the legal ability to sell, or the willingness to only sell to certain people? When you point out a case where Palestinians sold land to Jews, it seems ironic that when the tables are turned, that same land, once partioned into housing, is not available for Palestinians to buy back. Neither the Palestinians nor the Jews in Israel have, as a whole, anything to brag about when it comes to cohabitation. Not quite. There are no restrictions on selling private property in Israel. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
naomiglover Posted July 8, 2010 Author Report Posted July 8, 2010 4) Sell Property to Jews. http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-to-u-s-latest-east-jerusalem-building-okayed-last-year-1.266617 There is nothing illegal about it. The land was sold and paid for and the building permits were issued. Hello dishonest creature. The hotel that will be demolished has nothing to do with the demolition plans I have posted about in this thread and many other demolitions that have taken place. Are you pretending that all the Palestinian homes that have been demolished or are going to be demolished have been bought by Jewish American tycoons? Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
M.Dancer Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 Are you pretending that all the Palestinian homes that have been demolished or are going to be demolished have been bought by Jewish American tycoons? No of course not.Some were bought by Israeli tycoons....some were simply demolished because they were aquatting on land that was not theres and they had no authority or permission to put it up. Now, as part of the arab terrorist lobby, will you speak about the laws that forbid palestinians to sell land to jews under penalty of death? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
naomiglover Posted July 8, 2010 Author Report Posted July 8, 2010 No of course not.Some were bought by Israeli tycoons....some were simply demolished because they were aquatting on land that was not theres and they had no authority or permission to put it up. Okay. So they were demolished illegally. Of course, just like Israel, you don't recognize international law. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
DogOnPorch Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 lol...nope M.Dancer... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 Okay. So they were demolished illegally. Of course, just like Israel, you don't recognize international law. No they weren't. They had permission from the municple planning committee....international law doesn't cover squatters or their houses built on land they don't own. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 lol...nope M.Dancer... The Arab Terrorist Lobby don't answer no stinking tricky questions... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 The Arab Terrorist Lobby don't answer no stinking tricky questions... Si...Ay, un gato malodoro. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 And no answer to my inquiry about thread-starting spamming? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Remiel Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Not quite. There are no restrictions on selling private property in Israel. Perhaps I should have been more explicit about what I meant. There are no legal restrictions on selling private property in Israel. But they are definitely social ones. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Perhaps I should have been more explicit about what I meant. There are no legal restrictions on selling private property in Israel. But they are definitely social ones. Thise aren't worth the paper they are written on. In the US and Canada at one time, buying property in certain neighbourhoods by certain ethnic groups had difficulties (but no legal ones)...in the end the ineffable laws of the market won over...the motivated seller and the motivated buyer came out on top. If an arab or a jew in Israel wish to sell to one another, they can....in the arab world..not at all. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Remiel Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Thise aren't worth the paper they are written on. In the US and Canada at one time, buying property in certain neighbourhoods by certain ethnic groups had difficulties (but no legal ones)...in the end the ineffable laws of the market won over...the motivated seller and the motivated buyer came out on top. If an arab or a jew in Israel wish to sell to one another, they can....in the arab world..not at all. The added religious component makes it much more difficult to overcome I think. Race always plays second fiddle to money in the end. Religion much less so. Quote
jbg Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 If an arab or a jew in Israel wish to sell to one another, they can....in the arab world..not at all. They can, in the Arab world, if the don't both mind being decapitated. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
M.Dancer Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 The added religious component makes it much more difficult to overcome I think. Race always plays second fiddle to money in the end. Religion much less so. I was thinking about Jews buying property in the laurentians back in the 50s...The RC Church wasn't keen on the Christ killers moving in...the local curees even spoke against it...in the end though, Jews ski and swim in Ste Agathe. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Remiel Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 I was thinking about Jews buying property in the laurentians back in the 50s...The RC Church wasn't keen on the Christ killers moving in...the local curees even spoke against it...in the end though, Jews ski and swim in Ste Agathe. Did any Roman Catholics offer to buy the property instead? Quote
jbg Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 I was thinking about Jews buying property in the laurentians back in the 50s...The RC Church wasn't keen on the Christ killers moving in...the local curees even spoke against it...in the end though, Jews ski and swim in Ste Agathe. Did any Roman Catholics offer to buy the property instead? I doubt any Roman Catholics were murdered for attempting to sell to Jews or Jews were murdered for purchasing. I will admit that much to my region's shame, a nice black family, the man being an IBM executive, bought a house in the northeast portion of Yonkers. It was burned down by hoodlums on the day of the closing. This stuff does happen and it is disgusting. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Remiel Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 I doubt any Roman Catholics were murdered for attempting to sell to Jews or Jews were murdered for purchasing. Even if no one was being killed, there would still be a problem, jbg. The discussion needs to encompass more than just violence. Quote
jbg Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Even if no one was being killed, there would still be a problem, jbg. The discussion needs to encompass more than just violence. I heartily disagree. There is a huge difference between social discrimination and violence. Both are deplorable, but one is totally inimical to civilized society, i.e. peaceful resolution of differences. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Remiel Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 I heartily disagree. There is a huge difference between social discrimination and violence. Both are deplorable, but one is totally inimical to civilized society, i.e. peaceful resolution of differences. The unwillingness of many hardline Israeli Jews to live alongside any Arab in Eretz Israel without trying to push them out is also totally inimical to there being a civilized Israeli-Palestinian society. By definition. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Did any Roman Catholics offer to buy the property instead? Do you mean to say did any |RCs refuse to sell to Jews? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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