lictor616 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 I have not said one thing about who was better, or who was worse, unlike what you claim in your usual intellectually dishonest fashion. And I am not interested in checking whther horse manure (stalin, Mao, Pol Pot) is more or less disgusting than elephant dung (Hitler and Co.) I am responding to your denial of historically known fact, such as the Nazi's intent to commit against Eastern Slav populations what can only be termed as genocide. And the absurd notion that Hitler had nothing to do with the genocide of the European Jews. The intent of the Nazis to perpetrate genocides against Poles, Hungarians, Czechs is ludicrous- its a concoction (like the electrified floors, shrunken heads and soap bars) read this book: http://www.amazon.com/black-game-British-subversive-operations/dp/0718117182/ref=sr_1_9/105-0096720-3359661?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193722851&sr=8-9%22]Amazon.com:%20The%20black%20game:%20British%20subversive%20operations%20against%20the%20Germans%20during%20the%20Second%20World%20War:%20Books:%20Ellic%20Howe Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 And I am convinced it's an utter waste of time. Though some on here may find it amusing to toy with a fascist mouse, I am embarrassed that we have such a mouse in the house. And if you ever trap this particular mouse, he finds a hole and scurries away for a long, long time. This board has some of the best discussions out there, and I'm not sure how I feel about the fact that we also have threads that waste time with deceitful and wasteful drive-by spammers who dump their mindless bilge on us, then take off when confronted with the logical breaks in their arguments. Part of me things that having these losers here means we're kind of a democratic institution. And part of me is just revolted by their presence. but all the communists, marxists and crypto communists are A-ok- no one here every really reprimands them... nevermind that they support an ideology which IN ACTUAL FACT AND RECORDED HISTORY: perpetrated the democides and genocide of 119 million people... no you'd rather direct your angst at the defunct right wing side: which you say "could have" killed millions... makes lots of sense. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 read this book: http://www.amazon.com/black-game-British-subversive-operations/dp/0718117182/ref=sr_1_9/105-0096720-3359661?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193722851&sr=8-9%22]Amazon.com:%20The%20black%20game:%20British%20subversive%20operations%20against%20the%20Germans%20during%20the%20Second%20World%20War:%20Books:%20Ellic%20Howe The author had such unimpeachable credentials....for a fruitcake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellic_Howe Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 but all the communists, marxists and crypto communists are A-ok- no one here every really reprimands them... Like I said, no one will ever accuse Hannibal Lector of honesty.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
CANADIEN Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 after Poland was sending irregular soldiers into german territory You mean after Germans disguidsed as Poles staged a mock attack pn German soil, right? As for Dantzig, it is a known fact that it was only an excuse for Htiler. His intent was the destruction of Poland. But hey, keep trying to portray poor Adolf as a misunderstood peace-loving bening individual. Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 The intent of the Nazis to perpetrate genocides against Poles, Hungarians, Czechs is ludicrous- its a concoction You manage to get something right. There was never a Naxi plan to perpetrate genocide against the Hungarians. But then, the Hungarians are not Slavs, and were not occpupying Germany's so-called "living space". Quote
lictor616 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 You mean after Germans disguidsed as Poles staged a mock attack pn German soil, right? As for Dantzig, it is a known fact that it was only an excuse for Htiler. His intent was the destruction of Poland. But hey, keep trying to portray poor Adolf as a misunderstood peace-loving bening individual. Yes destruction in the sense of ousting the polish leadership and bringing it under German tutelage, Poland had for years obfuscated germany, concocting alliances to foist germany into a war with Britain and France. Hitler once spoke of poland as a "ludicrous state", hitler "peace loving and benign" what was that we said about dishonesty... I would never say such obvious hogwash.... I'm more along the lines of the 80's guy in futurama and say he was "ambitious and misunderstood" lol I kid I kid! Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 You manage to get something right. There was never a Naxi plan to perpetrate genocide against the Hungarians. But then, the Hungarians are not Slavs, and were not occpupying Germany's so-called "living space". Hungarians were Nazi Allies..part of the Axis.. Hungary during World War II was a member of the Axis powers.[1] In the 1930s, the Kingdom of Hungary relied on increased trade with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany to pull itself out of the Great Depression. By 1938, Hungarian politics and foreign policy had become increasingly pro-Fascist Italian and pro-Nazi German. Hungary benefitted territorially from its relationship with the Axis. Settlements were negotiated regarding territorial disputes with the Czecho-Slovak Republic, the Slovak Republic, and the Kingdom of Romania. In 1940, under pressure from Germany, Hungary joined the Axis. Although initially hoping to avoid direct involvement in the war, Hungary's participation soon became inevitable. In 1941, Hungarian forces participated in the invasion of Yugoslavia and the invasion of the Soviet Union. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_during_World_War_II Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 You manage to get something right. There was never a Naxi plan to perpetrate genocide against the Hungarians. But then, the Hungarians are not Slavs, and were not occpupying Germany's so-called "living space". Czechs were about 60% germanic by the way... And countries such as Lithuania and Estonia and Latvia are about as Nordic European as it gets (more so then even Germany).... so this doesn't make sense either. Estonia is actually very gifted in its genetic heritage- Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 Citation or bullshit I guess we can call the claim bullshit... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Michael Hardner Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 but all the communists, marxists and crypto communists are A-ok- no one here every really reprimands them... nevermind that they support an ideology which IN ACTUAL FACT AND RECORDED HISTORY: perpetrated the democides and genocide of 119 million people... no you'd rather direct your angst at the defunct right wing side: which you say "could have" killed millions... makes lots of sense. I can't think of a single Marxist on this board, and only one apparent fascist. As for extreme right-wingers, there are a few libertarians and anti-immigrant types here who present a very well thought-out argument. They're working discussing with, even if I disagree with them. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
CANADIEN Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 Yes destruction in the sense of ousting the polish leadership and bringing it under German tutelage, No, destruction in terms of sending members of the country's intellectual elite to death camps, closure of educational facilities, forced Germanization of a part of the population, extermination, deportation or enslavement of the rest. All things the Nazis started to do or intended to do. A lot more than outsting a government or tutelage, isn't it? Poland had for years obfuscated germany, concocting alliances to foist germany into a war with Britain and France. Considering that Hitler goals included Poland's destruction, the Poles should have simply not attempt to form alliances to defend themselves, right? hitler "peace loving and benign" what was that we said about dishonesty... says the pot to the kettle.I'm more along the lines of the 80's guy in futurama and say he was "ambitious and misunderstood" The world misunderstood how much of a monster he was until he was too late. Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 So those of you who haven't be following it. Rand Paul says he would not have vote for the civil rights act. He then was called racist by many many internet blogs and many Senate Republicans wouldn't even comment on his remarks. Now Rand says he supports the act and would vote for it. So either it is the quickest flip flop in history or Rand is lying. Maybe a Kentucky pick up this November for the Dems. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/reversal-paul-backs-govt-enforced-ban-on-discrimination.php?ref=fpi In other news the NRCC spent 10% of all the money they have to lose the PA 12 big time. Don't forget Shady calling a landslide in November. They can't win congress seat that is trending Republican and spent 10% of all the money they have but Shady has called it. HA A racist? Nah... Only someone who has seemingly no problem with discrimination. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 (edited) Civil War tidbits are irrelevant here, as I was referring (for the 3rd time) to the Lincoln plan which remeber: GARNERED " million signatures FROM BLACKS. Whether the american NAzi party approved of this... I don't know, I suspect they did... rockwell and duke... you know if these people also believe in gravity... It must mean that gravity is a lie by your logic then. The original abraham lincoln plan was not at all unfeasible, in the interests of the economy they also considered shipping them to mexico an the Caribbean. Civil War tidbits are NOT relevent when discussing and event that happened literally 40 and one half years after the Battle of Antietam,and the huge piece of legislation that was introduced one week after said battle,and put into law 4 months later... Hmmmm... And this has nothing to do with the likes of Du Bois??? Whiff # 3!!!! Another hint...1903... Not as knowledgable as you thought,are you? As it relates to the Carribean/Mexico business,and the Confederacy... You should look up the names: 1.George Bickley 2.Elkanah Greer 3.An organization called the Knights of the Golden Circle Then get back to me on the nature of race relations in the US,and how it should have been dealt with at the time? YOUR version of the Abraham Lincoln plan is even more ridiculous than the one dismissed the real guy! As far as your Rockwell/Duke comment goes...Stop being obtuse... Edited June 4, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 I meant irredeemably in the sense: that it is unchangeable... Yeah...That could'nt be construed as negative...As in ,"They arent able to change to be more like us..."? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 he made no such pronouncement- there exists no proof of direct order from Hitler to genocide Jews, Hitler wanted jews out of Germany for mainly practical reasons: Jews were prime movers of communism which he saw as a mortal threat... There was no clear attempt to genocide the slavs! that's outrageous and a propaganda line- its on par with the nonsense that Hitler wanted to kill all non-blonds. I the words of Lewis Black.. "Lictor...Get a grip!!!" They came for the Jews to kill them because they thought they were completely subhumanoid vermin... They killed the Communists because Communism is diametrically opposed to Fascism's corporate economic ethos... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 You mean after Germans disguidsed as Poles staged a mock attack pn German soil, right? As for Dantzig, it is a known fact that it was only an excuse for Htiler. His intent was the destruction of Poland. But hey, keep trying to portray poor Adolf as a misunderstood peace-loving bening individual. That was the one on the radio station,right? Yet another false flag "Reichstag Fire" incident...Instead of blaming Communists for the obviously staged event,this time they blamed the Poles.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest TrueMetis Posted June 4, 2010 Report Posted June 4, 2010 he made no such pronouncement- there exists no proof of direct order from Hitler to genocide Jews, Hitler wanted jews out of Germany for mainly practical reasons: Jews were prime movers of communism which he saw as a mortal threat... Tell me he's not claiming that Hitler wasn't responsible for the death camps. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 5, 2010 Report Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Tell me he's not claiming that Hitler wasn't responsible for the death camps. I think he's saying that it was'nt the original intention... That it was forced on him by the "agression" of the bad Brits who erroneously declared war on Poland and started the whole thing... Because,as we all know,Herr Schicklegruber was a peace loving,live and let live,kinda guy! Now Lictor... What about the Battle of Antietam? What happened 1 week later? What was enacted into legislation 4 months after that? What happened almost precisely 40 years later,as it relates to W.E.B Du Bois? You dodged those earlier,now answer them,please? Edited June 5, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lictor616 Posted June 5, 2010 Report Posted June 5, 2010 I think he's saying that it was'nt the original intention... That it was forced on him by the "agression" of the bad Brits who erroneously declared war on Poland and started the whole thing... Because,as we all know,Herr Schicklegruber was a peace loving,live and let live,kinda guy! Now Lictor... What about the Battle of Antietam? What happened 1 week later? What was enacted into legislation 4 months after that? What happened almost precisely 40 years later,as it relates to W.E.B Du Bois? You dodged those earlier,now answer them,please? are you dense or being obtuse? i've answered those questions thrice, go on now... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Jack Weber Posted June 5, 2010 Report Posted June 5, 2010 are you dense or being obtuse? i've answered those questions thrice, go on now... Not once have answered anything about those things... You did dismiss them as "tidbits",which they are not...Please try again... What about the Battle of Antietam? What happened 1 week later as a result of the battle? What legislation was enacted 4 months later? How does this relate to the thing that W.E.B DuBois did in 1903,as it specifically relates to the NAACP ethos? It should be easy for a well read fellow,such as yourself...Thrill us with your acumen,and elucidate for all of us reading the significance of those events and how they are linked...And then we can continue. Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted June 5, 2010 Report Posted June 5, 2010 Wiki "The Battle of Antietam"...It's at the bottom under... "The Aftermath"... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lictor616 Posted June 5, 2010 Report Posted June 5, 2010 Not once have answered anything about those things... You did dismiss them as "tidbits",which they are not...Please try again... What about the Battle of Antietam? What happened 1 week later as a result of the battle? What legislation was enacted 4 months later? How does this relate to the thing that W.E.B DuBois did in 1903,as it specifically relates to the NAACP ethos? It should be easy for a well read fellow,such as yourself...Thrill us with your acumen,and elucidate for all of us reading the significance of those events and how they are linked...And then we can continue. I've answered that I was talking about the 1960's Abraham Lincoln plan to repatriate blacks... you insist on talking about Antietam... please take me by the hand and tell me... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Jack Weber Posted June 5, 2010 Report Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) I've answered that I was talking about the 1960's Abraham Lincoln plan to repatriate blacks... you insist on talking about Antietam... please take me by the hand and tell me... Holding hands?? Mr Canada's might think we have a "thing",or something...He films that stuff,ya' know... Anyway... September 17,1862...The Battle of Antietam concludes with a Union victory. Britain decides to NOT back the Confederacy...Kinda huge! One week later,Lincoln issues the...wait for it...Emancipation Proclamation!!! This enacted into law on January 1,1863. almost precisely,40 years later W.E.B. Du Bois publishes an essay on this subject,and it is the overarching ethos of the NAACP...What was the subject? Hint...It is NOT Marxism.... Edited June 5, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lictor616 Posted June 5, 2010 Report Posted June 5, 2010 Holding hands?? Mr Canada's might think we have a "thing",or something...He films that stuff,ya' know... Anyway... September 17,1862...The Battle of Antietam concludes with a Union victory. Britain decides to NOT back the Confederacy...Kinda huge! One week later,Lincoln issues the...wait for it...Emancipation Proclamation!!! This enacted into law on January 1,1863. almost precisely,40 years later W.E.B. Du Bois publishes an essay on this subject,and it is the overarching ethos of the NAACP...What was the subject? Hint...It is NOT Marxism.... I think that the drafters of the proclamation thought foremost that: in the spirit of Jefferson: "Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people [blacks] are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:72 lincoln himself stated he would leave every slave where it was if he could keep the union from dissolving. And if ‘emancipation’ was so important, why was the ‘emancipation proclamation’ not authored until nearly 2 and a half years at the time that the north was losing. Why did the emancipation proclamation leave slavery alone in northern states? That was just a political ploy to incite emotions and draw attention away from the draft riots and the enslavement of [mostly] Irish immigrants. Before the Emancipation Proclamation , Lincoln reiterated over and over that the war was not about slavery , congress even made a declaration as such , ” This war is not fought in the spirit of conquest , or to interfere with the INSTITUTIONS of the states... ”... also as far as black bondage is concerned: how does freedom in pre-industrialized america in an agricultural largely unspoiled continental wilderness compare to the brutal savagery and primitive existence and endless tribal warfare in sub Saharan Africa? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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