bloodyminded Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Sorry had to work late last night. Its been a struggle all day today. Hey, from one knucklehead to another, apologies are not necessary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 No I did'nt...I only stated two things where I lean to the left.That hardly makes me a leftist.It might only make me a leftist in the eues of a right wing ideologue... It drops you on the left side of the spectrum, I bet if you completed a moral politics quiz you would be slightly on the left side near the middle of the chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Yes, you wouldn't insult anyone. Or rather, only insults towards Alberta break the Holy Sacrament, and thus are the only truly offensive insults. Oh come now! I'd insult the Queen of England is she stopped by. Just returning stereotypical insults. Minor affair. Ok, so you are trying not to make any sense. You do know this makes zero sense, correct? Or don't you? Give me a break. I CAN'T make complete sense when I'm answering "GHG Rainman". It would confuse him. The guy has probably never left Mom and Dad's basement, so how can anyone hope to counter his "arguments" with anything coherent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) Fascinating that having mega-buckets of energy for sale can be cited as a reason to offer no respect at all to Alberta, and yet is presented as an excuse for Quebec to be in hock up to it's neck. Alberta doesn't own any of the oil companies. Power utilities generally carry a large amount of debt. Quebec owns the largest one, and so they technically carry the debt. If Alberta owned the oil companies, I'd give them the same leeway. I give them credit for eliminating their debt, but, it isn't as if it's because of some brilliant management. Alberta will get my respect when they stop calling down the rest of the country (one province in particular). Alberta has twice the GDP per capita that Quebec does, because they have oil and gas. Quebec doesn't have either...and Hydro just isn't the same kind of money maker. Edited May 31, 2010 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Alberta will get my respect when they stop calling down the rest of the country (one province in particular). Alberta has twice the GDP per capita that Quebec does, because they have oil and gas. Quebec doesn't have either...and Hydro just isn't the same kind of money maker. Quebec's problem is not a lack of resources, it is poor government, and a people who demand every manner of expensive social services whether they can pay for them or not. Not to mention an economic environment poisoned by their bigotry and small-minded parochial politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) Quebec does have a problem. Alberta though, spends more than any other province per person except for Newfoundland and Labrador. It isn't as if being thrifty is what got Alberta to where it is today. Edited May 31, 2010 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Quebec does have a problem. Alberta though, spends more than any other province per person except fro Newfoundland and Labrador. It isn't as if being thrifty is what got Alberta to where it is today. An important difference is that Alberta pays for its own government services. And also for Quebec's. Quebec has better social services in some cases than Ontario can afford, yet Ontario has to give money to Quebec? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Quebec does have a problem. Alberta though, spends more than any other province per person except fro Newfoundland and Labrador. It isn't as if being thrifty is what got Alberta to where it is today. It's called the Lucky Geological Lottery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Quebec has better social services in some cases than Ontario can afford, yet Ontario has to give money to Quebec? Given the number of people that live in Quebec, it's likely that Quebec is quite close to break even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 It's called the Lucky Geological Lottery! Don't tell them that. They'll assure you that you're wrong...and that you're an eastern idiot...or some such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Don't tell them that. They'll assure you that you're wrong...and that you're an eastern idiot...or some such. I can remember when Albert was a have not,hat in hand province that sucked the hind teat of Ontario... I'm not interested in listening to any of their pseudo tough guy,chest thumping BS... Mainly because I'm the Eastern Bastard of their collective nightmares!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Quebec does have a problem. Alberta though, spends more than any other province per person except for Newfoundland and Labrador. It isn't as if being thrifty is what got Alberta to where it is today. Alberta has had a huge escalation in the last 8 years. But times are a changing a new government is coming, hell heres the big difference its our money and we can afford it. Quebec can't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 It's called the Lucky Geological Lottery! So why is Sask so far behind? They have more and variety of resource Alberta doesn't that arguement doesn't fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Alberta has had a huge escalation in the last 8 years. But times are a changing a new government is coming, hell heres the big difference its our money and we can afford it. Quebec can't! Actually, since equalization is in the Constitution, its all of ours to a point....Even Quebec's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) So why is Sask so far behind? They have more and variety of resource Alberta doesn't that arguement doesn't fly. They aren't. Saskatchewan's per capita GDP is over $60K. They simply don't have the tax revenue available that Alberta does. Saskatchewan will soon outpace Alberta with the largest per capita GDP of the provinces (as will Newfoundland and Labrador) now that the technology and the need exists to get the oil out of the ground in those places. Edited June 1, 2010 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 They aren't. Saskatchewan's per capita GDP is over $60K. They simply don't have the tax revenue available that Alberta does. Saskatchewan will soon outpace Saskatchewan with the largest per capita GDP of the provinces (as will Newfoundland and Labrador) now that the technology and the need exists to get the oil out of the ground in those places. Saskatchewan will outpace Saskatchewan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Actually, since equalization is in the Constitution, its all of ours to a point....Even Quebec's. You have an entitlement problem small c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 They aren't. Saskatchewan's per capita GDP is over $60K. They simply don't have the tax revenue available that Alberta does. Saskatchewan will soon outpace Saskatchewan with the largest per capita GDP of the provinces (as will Newfoundland and Labrador) now that the technology and the need exists to get the oil out of the ground in those places. They have slowly got on track but they had the resources as long as alberta, yet they were a have not province for how long? I wonder why. Why is it that people like you hate Alberta? Is it jealousy, you see someone doing better then you so you want what they have, yup I think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Saskatchewan will outpace Saskatchewan? Oops...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 You have an entitlement problem small c. No, I don't. If you're going to talk about the part of the Constitution, you can't simply neglect another part because you don't like it. The same constitution that gives resource revenue to the provinces also mandates equalization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Is it jealousy, you see someone doing better then you so you want what they have, yup I think it is. I can honestly tell you that Alberta would be one of the last places I would live. I would far more like to live on Prince Edward Island to tell you the truth. The poorest province in Canada is the most beautiful. No, I'm not at all jealous of Alberta's luck...because I'm quite happy here and Alberta isn't the kind of place I want to be. As for Saskatchewan being have not, GDP isn't the real determination of that. Saskatchewan has long has a higher per capita GDP, but that didn't lead to the potential tax revenue needed to be a have province. It's simply a function of industrial breakdown. Another example is Ontario and BC. They have identical (nearly) per capita GDPs, yet Ontario is have not and BC is have. It's not a simple calculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 No, I don't. If you're going to talk about the part of the Constitution, you can't simply neglect another part because you don't like it. The same constitution that gives resource revenue to the provinces also mandates equalization. It was changed in 82 to keep the west under thumb. Just because parts of the constitution are right and just does not make the entire document correct. It was never as difficult to amend before 82 as it is afterwards. Trudeau made many mistakes, one was to make the document so inflexible, that we are doomed to fight regional battles that are unresolvable because they are entrenched in the constitution. Although I don't think you have enough experience yet to identify this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 As for Saskatchewan being have not, GDP isn't the real determination of that. Saskatchewan has long has a higher per capita GDP, but that didn't lead to the potential tax revenue needed to be a have province. It's simply a function of industrial breakdown. . You do realize this is because for so long Saskatchewan's sons and daughters where leaving to find opportunity because there was a lack of it in the province. Do you also realize that GDP numbers can be skewed higher because of excessive government spending right? Since the development of resources has begun it has begun to attack people back because opportunity is being created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) They have slowly got on track but they had the resources as long as alberta, yet they were a have not province for how long? I wonder why. Why is it that people like you hate Alberta? Is it jealousy, you see someone doing better then you so you want what they have, yup I think it is. You're either part of this country,or you're not...If you choose to be in this country,please understand how things are done. If you choose not to be,in my estimation,you're traitor,and should be dealt with as such... Edited June 1, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I can honestly tell you that Alberta would be one of the last places I would live. I would far more like to live on Prince Edward Island to tell you the truth. The poorest province in Canada is the most beautiful. No, I'm not at all jealous of Alberta's luck...because I'm quite happy here and Alberta isn't the kind of place I want to be. You are biased against Alberta, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I doubt you could survive in Alberta anyway. Its best you stay away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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