Mosque going up in NYC building

[Guest American Woman]

A group that believes in invisible omnipotent beings? They can do their good works on their own dime. True charity.

My God. The idea that a church can discriminate simply because they are a religion in ludicrous. I wonder what would happen if the church practiced slavery?

Or is it only discrimination against women that's acceptable to these Neanderthals?

[Smallc]

Other charities have to abide by equal rights laws. You seriously don't get that??

Other charities aren't protected by freedom of religion laws. You seriously don't get that?

[Machjo]

My God. The idea that a church can discriminate simply because they are a religion in ludicrous. I wonder what would happen if the church practiced slavery?

Or is it only discrimination against women that's acceptable to these Neanderthals?

Just try making it an obligation on Christian churches to marry same-sex couples and see how far you get with that.

[DogOnPorch]

My God. The idea that a church can discriminate simply because they are a religion in ludicrous. I wonder what would happen if the church practiced slavery?

Or is it only discrimination against women that's acceptable to these Neanderthals?

In some ways they do. Slavery to the promise of an afterlife. This mortal coil n' all...

[Smallc]

I wonder what would happen if the church practiced slavery?

If I'm not mistaken, that's against the law.

[DogOnPorch]

Just try making it an obligation on Christian churches to marry same-sex couples and see how far you get with that.

We'd try with Islam...but both partners were beheaded.

[Guest American Woman]

Other charities aren't protected by freedom of religion laws. You seriously don't get that?

And that's the difference between churches and other charities. You seriously don't get THAT? Because that was my point.

[Machjo]

We'd try with Islam...but both partners were beheaded.

What does Is;am have to do with that? I was referring to Christian churches here. AW was suggesting they should not be free to refuse gay marriage.

[Guest American Woman]

If I'm not mistaken, that's against the law.

And you don't think segregation/discrimination based on sex is against the law, too????

[Machjo]

And that's the difference between churches and other charities. You seriously don't get THAT? Because that was my point.

So remove their tax exempt status and let them be. Bingo.

[Smallc]

And that's the difference between churches and other charities. You seriously don't get THAT? Because that was my point.

Yes, that's right, that is the difference. Perhaps they shouldn't have tax exempt status, I don't know, but you really seem to be getting off track here.

[Machjo]

And you don't think segregation/discrimination based on sex is against the law, too????

What about the scouts and guides?

[Guest American Woman]

What does Is;am have to do with that? I was referring to Christian churches here. AW was suggesting they should not be free to refuse gay marriage.

As they shouldn't be. As long as they are getting a tax break from the government. Trust me. I'm just as vocal/adamant about that issue.

[Smallc]

And you don't think segregation/discrimination based on sex is against the law, too????

It depends on what you're doing. In this case, the freedom of the religion trumps the other particular freedom. In the case of slavery, I doubt it.

[Guest American Woman]

What about the scouts and guides?

Oh, for God's sake. They are equal groups, not segregated. One is a group for boys, the other is a group for girls. As I pointed out, men and women have separate rest rooms, too. I don't think Islam is thus divided; one religion for women the other for men, the one for women being inferior.

Do YOU seriously think so?

[Smallc]

Oh, for God's sake. They are equal groups, not segregated. One is a group for boys, the other is a group for girls.

But why?

[Guest American Woman]

Yes, that's right, that is the difference. Perhaps they shouldn't have tax exempt status, I don't know, but you really seem to be getting off track here.

I'M getting off the track here??

Ummmm, sure. Whenever someone responds directly to a post and it doesn't fit in with the view you are trying to project, it's "off the track."

Got it.

:lol:

[Guest American Woman]

But why?

If you don't know why, if you don't understand how that differs from forced segregation in a religion that's supposed to serve all, you need more help/enlightenment than I can give you here.

[Smallc]

Ummm, sure. Whenever someone responds directly to a post and it doesn't fit in with the view you are trying to project, it's "off the track."

No, one someone tries to deflect from something that they believe that doesn't make sense, it's off track.

[Smallc]

If you don't know why, if you don't understand how that differs from forced segregation in a religion that's supposed to serve all, you need more help/enlightenment than I can give you here.

Are the boys and girls groups not force segregated? Is the scouts organization not supposed to be for all?

[Guest American Woman]

No, one someone tries to deflect from something that they believe that doesn't make sense, it's off track.

Say WHAT???

[Guest TrueMetis]

Are the boys and girls groups not force segregated? Is the scouts organization not supposed to be for all?

Well if your talking about the boy scouts of America all, except atheists, and gays. Yet they get tax breaks to.

Edited August 8, 2010 by TrueMetis

[Guest American Woman]

Are the boys and girls groups not force segregated? Is the scouts organization not supposed to be for all?

Let me try to explain this to you as simply and quickly as I can.

The BOY SCOUTS, by definition, is for boys. The GIRL SCOUTS, be definition, is for girls.

ISLAM is for both.

Boy scouts act separately and independently of girl scouts. Girls aren't forced into inferior conditions from boy scouts. They act independently. They do not mix because they engage in different activities.

In Islam, when women are forced to use a side/back door, when they are forced into inferior rooms, to engage in exactly the same religious service as the men, it's called "segregation/discrimination."

Try using your girl scouts/boy scouts argument against discrimination/segregation and see how far it gets you. Better yet, try passing on that attitude with a woman and see where you end up. Or better yet, try using that "logic" in the work world, and see how high you rise.

[Smallc]

Let me try to explain this to you as simply and quickly as I can.

The BOY SCOUTS, by definition, is for boys. The GIRL SCOUTS, be definition, is for girls.

I don't know about where you're from, but up here it's called Scouts Canada.

ISLAM is for both.

So is the scouts organization.

Boy scouts act separately and independently of girl scouts. Girls aren't forced into inferior conditions from boy scouts. They act independently. They do not mix because they engage in different activities.

Different activities...some would call that inferior conditions.

In Islam, when women are forced to use a side/back door, when they are forced into inferior rooms, to engage in exactly the same religious service as the men, it's called "segregation/discrimination."

When boys and girls are part of the same organization and have to do different things, that is discrimination, isn't it? Also, muslim women worship slightly different things; Mary, for example, that men don't.

Try using your girl scouts/boy scouts argument against discrimination/segregation and see how far it gets you. Better yet, try passing on that attitude with a woman and see where you end up. Or better yet, try using that "logic" in the work world, and see how high you rise.

Try using your style of argument in the real world...see how far it gets you.

[Guest American Woman]

I don't know about where you're from, but up here it's called Scouts Canada.

If you had read the quote you're responding to, you'd know about where I'm from.

When boys and girls are part of the same organization and have to do different things, that is discrimination, isn't it? Also, muslim women worship slightly different things; Mary, for example, that men don't.

First of all, the fact that you're referring to "boys and girls" should tell you something. Unless you're comparing women to children.

As for Muslim women worshiping slightly different things. HUH?? They are going to the same worship service as the men, in the same mosque, but must enter through the side or back door and listen from a different room. Sometimes the service is piped in.

But keep comparing that to children; to the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts.

Try using your style of argument in the real world...see how far it gets you.

That's a joke, right? Because if you think you can go on a job interview, for example, and be asked about equal rights for women on the job and you refer to Scouts Canada or say the women have the choice to work there or not, I'm sure you'll be hired on the spot and promoted within weeks. In other words, I'm sure you'll go far.

Try learning some respect for women. I'll give you a clue to get you started. You can begin by not comparing segregation and discrimination against women to the Scouts.

Edited August 9, 2010 by American Woman