Slam The Doors On Immigration

[Argus]

Your federal government disagrees. Here's a plan they've recently established to address the problems surrounding foreign credential recognition:

http://www.actionplan.gc.ca/initiatives/eng/index.asp?mode=3&initiativeID=76

There was no information or numbers of any sort in that link. I'm sure, as I've already stated, that some professionals could be working faster, but I have yet to see any evidence that large numbers of qualified immigrants are pushing brooms simply because their very real, provable skills aren't being recognized.

[dizzy]

Yeah, okay, you'll have to wait at least a decade or so for them to grow up and go to university - or not - though.

You're assuming that all children of immigrants are born or come at a very young age. newcomers come at all ages and, as such, this is an ongoing reality that we can easily measure on a year-to-year, not generation-to-generation, basis.

[dizzy]

There was no information or numbers of any sort in that link. I'm sure, as I've already stated, that some professionals could be working faster, but I have yet to see any evidence that large numbers of qualified immigrants are pushing brooms simply because their very real, provable skills aren't being recognized.

My point wasn't to provide you with numbers but to demonstrate that the conservative government recognizes that the problem exists. Here's another article on the same that I've already posted here:

http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/business/article/218392--deal-to-speed-foreign-credential-recognition

You want numbers?

Immigrants are coming here with higher than canadian average educations:

http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/[email protected]?iid=29 (see 'recent immigrants')

They are the major contributor to our PHD and advanced sciences pool:

http://www.stic-csti.ca/eic/site/stic-csti.nsf/eng/00032.html

And indeed much of our post graduate pool:

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/as-sa/97-560/p13-eng.cfm

[bush_cheney2004]

...I thimk the answer has gotta be the calibre of 'South Asian' coming in.

Would it be racist for me to say (as Banerjee has done) that one difference is that America brings in less Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Muslims, Punjabis/Sikhs.... and more of the 'right sort' (yes, dreadfully elitist thinking.. so shoot me).

Yes....such comparisons to the United States are not only flawed, but strike at the very root of what it means to emigrate to America instead of Canada. In the IT industry, numerous H1-B workers are sponsored from all qualified backgrounds, including "Muslims". The funny part is that the Canadian workers in the USA think they should be privileged above these others (e.g. Green Card permanent residency).

Edited April 10, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Smallc]

It also speaks to the differences in sources for immigrants for different professions. Doctors in Canada for example, seem to be more from Africa and such than from Asia.

Edited April 10, 2010 by Smallc

[wyly]

It also speaks to the differences in sources for immigrants for different professions. Doctors in Canada for example, seem to be more from Africa and such than from Asia.

there are many from South Africa, they speak english , their training is of high standard and they're highly motivated to leave S Africa...so they qualify relatively easily compared to others...

[Smallc]

there are many from South Africa, they speak english , their training is of high standard and they're highly motivated to leave S Africa...so they qualify relatively easily compared to others...

I wasn't making a statement about it really. My doctor is a (white) South African. He's an excellent doctor.

[bush_cheney2004]

It also speaks to the differences in sources for immigrants for different professions. Doctors in Canada for example, seem to be more from Africa and such than from Asia.

Canada recruits heavily for doctors, nurses and technicians from the Philippines too. When they grow tired of the games, they just head "south".

[Smallc]

Canada recruits heavily for doctors, nurses and technicians from the Philippines too. When they grow tired of the games, they just head "south".

There aren't many doctors from the Philippines. There are far more nurses.

[bush_cheney2004]

There aren't many doctors from the Philippines. There are far more nurses.

Yep....always more nurses than doctors. The trick is to get more emigres to Canada to replace the ones running for the border.

Edited April 10, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Smallc]

Yep....always more nurses than doctors. The trick is to get more emigres to Canada to replace the ones running for the border.

The number of medical professionals is increasing faster than the growth in population. A few hundred a year going to the US (in declining numbers) isn't stopping that growth. Nice attempt though.

[wyly]

I wasn't making a statement about it really. My doctor is a (white) South African. He's an excellent doctor.

I know, just agreeing with you...

[wyly]

There aren't many doctors from the Philippines. There are far more nurses.

it's considerable easier to qualify as a nurse than a MD and not even close to the same requirements required... the US has considerably weaker qualification process compared to Canada which may explain all the malpractise suits... personally I've only met one MD from the Phillipines and that was 30yrs ago..

[bush_cheney2004]

it's considerable easier to qualify as a nurse than a MD and not even close to the same requirements required... the US has considerably weaker qualification process compared to Canada which may explain all the malpractise suits... personally I've only met one MD from the Phillipines and that was 30yrs ago..

I've met plenty from Canada! LOL!

[Born Free]

I've met plenty from Canada! LOL!

The buffoon speaks again...

[dizzy]

The buffoon speaks again...

I'm not thinking buffoon. overeducated and underloved with middle child syndrome, maybe...

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm not thinking buffoon. overeducated and underloved with middle child syndrome, maybe...

This thread just bleeds my basic premise....some of you poor bastards can't even take a crap without thinking about how the Americans do it!

[dizzy]

This thread just bleeds my basic premise....some of you poor bastards can't even take a crap without thinking about how the Americans do it!

Some americans grow up wishing they were bullies that bullied them in high school. Not all of them, just some of them.

[bush_cheney2004]

Some americans grow up wishing they were bullies that bullied them in high school. Not all of them, just some of them.

This doesn't make any sense....if you are going to play the time worn Canadian "bully" card, at least play it correctly.

Mommy! The nasty American is making fun of us again!

[dizzy]

This doesn't make any sense....if you are going to play the time worn Canadian "bully" card, at least play it correctly.

Mommy! The nasty American is making fun of us again!

Where did you get the impression that I feel hard done by? I'm just here for the occasional (thoughtful) discussion, but it is occasionally fun to pole the troll with the, "my daddy is bigger than your daddy" perma-rhetoric.

[Muddy]

A couple of months ago I had an Algerian Doc save my life. He had me in an ambulance in 15 minutes and rushed to Trillium and right into the operating room. So I don`t care what colour,religion a chap is. I just want competence.

[Moonlight Graham]

With the looming retirement of the baby boomers, somebody has to pay the compounding medical costs and social services though. Who will that be, we as Canadians certainly aren't providing them.

I think they really ought to encourage having Children. Further programs to cut taxes for child bearing families, and eliminate them for single mothers.

BINGO! That's how i feel on the subject. Why don't we encourage people who are already Canadians to have more kids? The cost to bring in an unskilled immigrant, teach them english or french, provide them social programs, health care, welfare they've paid little or nothing into is draining for us, so why not use that money and give it to mothers that are already in Canada and encourage larger families.

I say bring in the valuable immigrants, and keep the ones who offer nothing to Canada but future tax revenue from their grandchildren out of here. You drive through low income slums and they are filled with visible minorities, and they are a drain on the system. I don't blame them for wanting to come to Canada, and the ones that are refugees are a different story whom i don't mind coming here, but how about Canada is first for a change?

[Moonlight Graham]

This thread just bleeds my basic premise....some of you poor bastards can't even take a crap without thinking about how the Americans do it!

And i know an American who is obsessed with what Canadians say about his country. What do you care? Thats a question to ask yourself btw, not something i want you to reply to me as i couldn't give a rip.

[bush_cheney2004]

And i know an American who is obsessed with what Canadians say about his country. What do you care? Thats a question to ask yourself btw, not something i want you to reply to me as i couldn't give a rip.

Apparently you do care....the question has been asked many times. Perhaps you thought this was a safe little enclave for Canadians only (hosted in Houston, Texas)? Even if I were to drop dead this instant, America and Americans would continue to permeate many threads, down to the basic definition of what it means to be Canadian. In this case we have an immigration discussion that, once again, looks to America (out of 190 other nations on the planet).

So I am afraid you will have to suffer my obsession in exchange for your larger national obsession. Seems fair to me.

Edited April 10, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Argus]

My point wasn't to provide you with numbers but to demonstrate that the conservative government recognizes that the problem exists.

Or that they recognize that they have to make mouth noises to please certain groups.

You want numbers?

Immigrants are coming here with higher than canadian average educations:

Some of which aren't worth the paper they're printed on, and they're also coming here with lower education than Canadians. Ie, while immigrants as a whole have a higher % of post secondary graduates they also have a higher % of people with less than a high school education, and less than a grade 8 education.

I'm still waiting for the numbers of how many hundreds of thousands, perhaps even tens of millions of poor immigrants with multiple PHDs and outstanding English are driving taxis and pushing brooms.