One can not open some video link in China.

bjre · April 3, 2010

As Dick already pointed out, the population of the Americas was not 100 million before Columbus arrived, and so Chavez was full of crap in making that claim, and you are compounding the lie by repeating it.

You are making great efforts to foolish yourself and can blaming only yourself.

-k

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm

There is plenty of evidence for a New World population in 1492 of 100 million people. There is speculation it could have been higher. Today, mainstream estimates of ninety million can be found, which is naturally a piece of sophisticated guesswork.[37]

Edited April 3, 2010 by bjre

nicky10013 · April 3, 2010

Chavez is a communist, a totalitarian, and a moron... three qualities that bjre can relate to.

-k

He's a communist and a moron but check your definition of totalitarian. He's tried at least once to check the constitution and has failed. The OSCE called it a fair vote and the vote was respected.

We'll see what happens in the future.

Muddy · April 3, 2010

Bjre , what was that little fracas your benevolent Chinses leaders pulled at Tinanamen Square? I heard there was an uneven fight between thousands of unarmed students and the Peoples Red Army. The only weopon they didn`t use was a nuke on the students! Take away your commie propaganda you fool!We know better here in Canada.

Dithers · April 3, 2010

Bjre , what was that little fracas your benevolent Chinses leaders pulled at Tinanamen Square? I heard there was an uneven fight between thousands of unarmed students and the Peoples Red Army. The only weopon they didn`t use was a nuke on the students! Take away your commie propaganda you fool!We know better here in Canada.

As bad as Tinanamen Square was, it is the least of the crimes this current generation of Chinese leaders has commit.

Muddy · April 3, 2010

As bad as Tinanamen Square was, it is the least of the crimes this current generation of Chinese leaders has commit.

Yah ,but the Chinese Red government and army showed the world on video what they were capable of.Bjre should be ashamed of himself for being an apologist for these mass murdering thugs.

Dithers · April 3, 2010

Yah ,but the Chinese Red government and army showed the world on video what they were capable of.Bjre should be ashamed of himself for being an apologist for these mass murdering thugs.

Agreed. When north Korean were fleeing the ongoing famine for China by the millions, the Chinese:

A. Welcomed the desperate refugees as any civilized country would have.

B. Sent in their armed forces to gun them down and forcibly return them to the border where they faced certain death at the hands of their fellow communist dictator, Kim Jung Il.

I'll give you two guesses but you're only going to need one.

Edited April 3, 2010 by Dithers

bjre · April 3, 2010

Bjre , what was that little fracas your benevolent Chinses leaders pulled at Tinanamen Square? I heard there was an uneven fight between thousands of unarmed students and the Peoples Red Army. The only weopon they didn`t use was a nuke on the students! Take away your commie propaganda you fool!We know better here in Canada.

No Chinese student killed in Tiananmen Square in 1989. You western lie media fool. And there were people die at that time for riot that was a war between CIA and China. Just as what happened in Tibet in 2008 when western media try to tell lie again when some truth on YouTube make them unable to continue the lie.

And Tiananmen can not hold 100 million people.

Army kill unarmed students only happened in Western country like May 4, 1970 in Kent University. And Police kill unarmed protester happened in Canada in 1995 with a gun in 1995 which is later than 1989.

It is easy to see, moral is a word that has nothing to do with you because you did not show anything with moral with the people in your own country when human right issues happened, what you can do is only blame others, even on blaming what woman wearing.

Edited April 3, 2010 by bjre

nicky10013 · April 3, 2010

No Chinese student killed in Tiananmen Square in 1989. You western lie media fool. And there were people die at that time for riot that was a war between CIA and China. Just as what happened in Tibet in 2008 when western media try to tell lie again when some truth make them unable to continue the lie.

And Tiananmen can not hold 100 million people.

Army kill unarmed students only happened in Western country like May 4, 1970 in Kent University. And Police kill unarmed protester happened in Canada in 1995 with a gun in 1995 which is later than 1989.

It is easy to see, moral is a word that has nothing to do with you because you did not show anything with moral with the people in your own country when human right issues happened, what you can do is only blame others, even on blaming what woman wearing.

Though I agree with you that Tiananmen can't hold 100,000,000 people; clearly you either live in China and have no access to free press which is why you're just rehashing Chinese government propaganda or are yourself an employee of the Chinese government.

April 3, 2010

No Chinese student killed in Tiananmen Square in 1989. You western lie media fool. ...

Riiight. The western media made up the photos and videos that went along with their reports, too.

And Tiananmen can not hold 100 million people.

He didn't say it did; he said thousands.

Army kill unarmed students only happened in Western country like May 4, 1970 in Kent University. ...

We don't deny that it happened when it happens here.

Here's something to contemplate while you're fooling (only) yourself: Denying what happened in Tienanmen Square doesn't erase history. Those who died are no less dead as a result of your denial.

bjre · April 3, 2010

Though I agree with you that Tiananmen can't hold 100,000,000 people; clearly you either live in China and have no access to free press which is why you're just rehashing Chinese government propaganda or are yourself an employee of the Chinese government.

So, you mean I can only tell lie, otherwise I have to be propaganda? This is your view of free speech? Is that why the media keep tell lies like Iraq has WMD, if not at that time, the one must be a propaganda? So you choose tell lie to avoid to be a propaganda?

William Ashley · April 3, 2010

try the international forum this has nothing to do with federal politics.

nicky10013 · April 3, 2010

So, you mean I can only tell lie, otherwise I have to be propaganda? This is your view of free speech? Is that why the media keep tell lies like Iraq has WMD, if not at that time, the one must be a propaganda? So you choose tell lie to avoid to be a propaganda?

First, how many people these days believe there was WMD? Despite the media covering that story, they still pursued the government and asked where they were. That doesn't happen in China.

Furthermore, there's video of the violence from '89. Guess that was doctored, eh?

Or can you not open the video?

Jack Weber · April 3, 2010

Ever wonder why the Chinese are the strongest against any independent body looking into nuclear activity in Iran?

nicky10013 · April 3, 2010

Ever wonder why the Chinese are the strongest against any independent body looking into nuclear activity in Iran?

Because they fear that the international community interfering in "domestic matters" would result in that principle being applied to China.

Edited April 3, 2010 by nicky10013

bjre · April 3, 2010

First, how many people these days believe there was WMD? Despite the media covering that story, they still pursued the government and asked where they were. That doesn't happen in China.

Furthermore, there's video of the violence from '89. Guess that was doctored, eh?

Or can you not open the video?

Did anything in the video show the death happened in the square? No. Tell me why BBC don't show the riot? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=15677&view=findpost&p=501433

Muddy · April 3, 2010

Bjre, either your a comedian posing as a Chinese person or your a brainwashed dolt of no useful purpose because you are not willing to answer questions. Sucks to be stuck in a communist paradise!

nicky10013 · April 4, 2010

Did anything in the video show the death happened in the square? No. Tell me why BBC don't show the riot? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=15677&view=findpost&p=501433

If what was in that video wasn't a riot, then what, in your definition is a riot?

April 4, 2010

Did anything in the video show the death happened in the square? No. Tell me why BBC don't show the riot? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=15677&view=findpost&p=501433

I'm not even going to argue whether or not what BBC showed was a riot, but instead point out that just because something that happens in China isn't "shown" doesn't mean it didn't happen.

When I was in Beijing, we were warned what not to take pictures of. The first time I was in Tiananmen Square, police snatched the camera from a guy right next to me and smashed it to the ground. I have no idea what he could have photographed that was so terrible, but evidently something was happening that was off limits. It was especially stressed that we shouldn't photograph any conflicts with the Fulan Gong, but I didn't see anything like that happening.

At any rate, if you believe what you do, it's because you choose to. I do realize there's a whole generation in China that knows little, if anything, about what happened in Tiananman Square, but being in Canada, you have no excuse.

bjre · April 4, 2010

I'm not even going to argue whether or not what BBC showed was a riot, but instead point out that just because something that happens in China isn't "shown" doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Because the media want others to believe that it was a peaceful protest, instead of a violent riot. They were tell lie as always. They just don't want people related those with how police deal with those life threatening things in their own country.

When I was in Beijing, we were warned what not to take pictures of. The first time I was in Tiananmen Square, police snatched the camera from a guy right next to me and smashed it to the ground. I have no idea what he could have photographed that was so terrible, but evidently something was happening that was off limits. It was especially stressed that we shouldn't photograph any conflicts with the Fulan Gong, but I didn't see anything like that happening.

It is possible. I don't like that if so. But it is their own business. I think in America, there can be places that cameras are not allowed, if you are from America, you should know more than me about that.

When I went to Tiananmen Square in a trip in 2007, I did not meet any problem and took quite a lot of pictures with my wife and children.

At any rate, if you believe what you do, it's because you choose to. I do realize there's a whole generation in China that knows little, if anything, about what happened in Tiananman Square, but being in Canada, you have no excuse.

I was in China at that time and was a student in a University. I had taken part in many protests at that time because universities no longer work normally for a long time. No class.

Edited April 4, 2010 by bjre

Dithers · April 4, 2010

I was in China at that time and was a student in a University. I had taken part in many protests at that time because universities no longer work normally for a long time. No class.

And there you have it. An apologist who will lie to no end for his country's warped objectives.

bush_cheney2004 · April 4, 2010

....It is possible. I don't like that if so. But it is their own business. I think in America, there can be places that cameras are not allowed, if you are from America, you should know more than me about that....

This is true....America does not allow cameras at Area 51 in Nevada, many military bases, nuclear weapons facilities, courtrooms, voting booths, prisons, or whorehouses.

April 4, 2010

Because the media want others to believe that it was a peaceful protest, instead of a violent riot. They were tell lie as always. They just don't want people related those with how police deal with those life threatening things in their own country.

It was a peaceful demonstration until marshal law was declared and the military/tanks moved in. Then the students did fight back with stick, stones, whatever was available to them. I believe it was no longer 'peaceful' at this point. So what are you saying? That the students were wrong for fighting back?

It is possible. I don't like that if so. But it is their own business. I think in America, there can be places that cameras are not allowed, if you are from America, you should know more than me about that.
When I went to Tiananmen Square in a trip in 2007, I did not meet any problem and took quite a lot of pictures with my wife and children.

It is so. I saw it with my own eyes. Whether or not it's 'their own business' isn't the argument here. I'm saying that things go on that can't be shown because it's not allowed. So just because something is not shown, just because you can't see soldiers shooting students point-blank in Tiananmen Square doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'm guessing the western media would have slanted the reports, too; that the students who were attacking troops who were just standing there didn't really get much coverage. But your denial that students were killed is difficult for me to understand. As I said, we acknowledge the deaths at Kent State and haven't 'erased' it from our history.

But for the record, I didn't encounter any problems with taking pictures in Tiananman Square, either, and like you, took quite a lot. And as you said, there are places where cameras aren't allowed in the U.S. but since bush_cheney has already addressed that issue, I'll leave it at that. But I wasn't referring to places where cameras aren't allowed, but rather to events/occurrences that are off-limits in public places where cameras are allowed.

As I said, I have no idea why the camera was snatched from the guy next to me and destroyed while I was snapping away without any problems. I totally enjoyed my experience and loved hanging out in Tiananmen Square (as well as the parks). I love China, the country, and the people.

I was in China at that time and was a student in a University. I had taken part in many protests at that time because universities no longer work normally for a long time. No class.

Were you attending university in Beijing? From all accounts, people outside of Beijing had no idea what was going on-- and that goes for a lot of the troops that were sent in, too. What protests were you engaged in, if you don't mind my asking? Were you involved in protests for more freedoms? And again, if you don't mind my asking, do you believe in the right of students/people to protest, such as in Tiananman Square?

Edited April 4, 2010 by American Woman

Moonbox · April 4, 2010

There are some very simple questions that bjre needs to answer before anything he/she says will be worth ANYTHING.

First, why are tens of thousands of Chinese moving to Canada every year, and why aren't any Canadians moving to China.

Second, why is Chinese internet traffic so strictly censored, if not to keep the Chinese people ignorant to the realities of the world?

It's quite clear the government of China is terrified of the Chinese people thinking for themselves.

Dithers · April 4, 2010

This is true....America does not allow cameras at Area 51 in Nevada, many military bases, nuclear weapons facilities, courtrooms, voting booths, prisons, or whorehouses.

Oh the humanity.

bjre · April 4, 2010

There are some very simple questions that bjre needs to answer before anything he/she says will be worth ANYTHING.

First, why are tens of thousands of Chinese moving to Canada every year, and why aren't any Canadians moving to China.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=8150&st=210&p=489876entry489876