Leading Ottawa Imam ordered out of Canada!

[Shwa]

Not surprising of the socialist, trying to find a victim to latch onto....very predictable.

As opposed to the boogeymen that the Right Wing Populist's latch themselves onto?

[Natchuck]

Has there been any suggestion that he's a security risk? Beyond that, would you demand the same if he was a leading Rabbi or Catholic Priest?

Yes, if Jews and Catholics were bombing subways around the world in the name of their religion.

[Michael Hardner]

I don't know who you are, but you need to learn the quote feature before continuing, I think.

[Natchuck]

Nobody's at risk, except your risk of having a breakdown of some kind over this.

My parent's parish brings in priests on Visas all the time.

When your Parents and their co-religionists declare war on the West and set off bombs in subways and fly airplanes into buildings in the name of their religion they should be expelled as well.

[ToadBrother]

When your Parents and their co-religionists declare war on the West and set off bombs in subways and fly airplanes into buildings in the name of their religion they should be expelled as well.

I'm sure the Muslims were thinking the same thing when the Crusaders were setting up kingdoms in Palestine.

[Bonam]

I'm sure the Muslims were thinking the same thing when the Crusaders were setting up kingdoms in Palestine.

I'm sure they were. And they did something about it, too. Namely, they fought the crusaders and tried to keep them out and drive them out, and eventually succeeded.

[bloodyminded]

When your Parents and their co-religionists declare war on the West and set off bombs in subways and fly airplanes into buildings in the name of their religion they should be expelled as well.

A person is not responsible for what some of his "co-religionists" do.

[Argus]

I'm sure they were. And they did something about it, too. Namely, they fought the crusaders and tried to keep them out and drive them out, and eventually succeeded.

I realize that is the cheap, hollywood version. But in reality, the crusades started as an effort to helop protect Christians, and specifically the Byzantine Empire, against attacks by Muslims. Muslims, by the way, only ruled Jersusalem because they conquered it. Jersusalem had been Christian for some centuries prior to that. In fact, most of the middle east, or at least, the western middle east, was Christian, including Egypt and Syria prior to Muslim attacks.

[Guest TrueMetis]

I realize that is the cheap, hollywood version. But in reality, the crusades started as an effort to helop protect Christians, and specifically the Byzantine Empire, against attacks by Muslims. Muslims, by the way, only ruled Jersusalem because they conquered it. Jersusalem had been Christian for some centuries prior to that. In fact, most of the middle east, or at least, the western middle east, was Christian, including Egypt and Syria prior to Muslim attacks.

Having had been conquered by christians before then. This is a time where you only have right to land if you can hold it. The first muslims attacks were as you say but most of the rest of them were the christians attacking the muslims. That having been said thank God (pun intended) that the muslims managed to gain control of the lands they did I can only imagine what would have happened if the christians of the time managed to get a hold of those old greek and roman libraries.

[Moonbox]

Having had been conquered by christians before then.

Not true. The pagan Romans conquered it. They converted to Christianity on their own.

I can only imagine what would have happened if the christians of the time managed to get a hold of those old greek and roman libraries.

Don't imagine. They would have burned most of them. The Medieval Catholic Church was one of the blindest and most vicious institutions the world has ever seen. The Islamic world, on the other hand, was a bastion of science, tolerance and enlightenment.

Somewhere along the way (long before European colonialism and long after the Crusades) it decided to follow the way of European Catholics and turn stupid.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Not true. The pagan Romans conquered it. They converted to Christianity on their own.

Well some did most had to be forced. Though my point is essentially the same it had been taken from the people who held it before so the muslims had as much right to take it from them as the Romans did from the people who where there before.

Don't imagine. They would have burned most of them. The Medieval Catholic Church was one of the blindest and most vicious institutions the world has ever seen. The Islamic world, on the other hand, was a bastion of science, tolerance and enlightenment.

Somewhere along the way (long before European colonialism and long after the Crusades) it decided to follow the way of European Catholics and turn stupid.

Religous fanaticism sucks.

[CANADIEN]

Not surprising of the socialist, trying to find a victim to latch onto....very predictable. This leading Imam was booted out of Canada but is asked nicely to leave on his own. This is just silly, he should be arrested and put on a plane bound for his home nation. With the bombing of subways by Muslims around the world we cannot take any chances any longer, we need to protect the citizens of Canada.

I agree that anyone who is here illegally and is ordered to be deported should be arrested, held until any appeal they may be legally entitled to, thn shipped out.

That being said, how do you know that this individual was ordered deported because he represent of his religion or opinions? Unless of course we are to assume like you that Muslim = terrorist.

Especially considering the facts as reported, which is that

a - his visa is still valid, and has not been revoked; up to the day when his visa expires, he still has a legal right to be in the country

b - his request for a work permit has been refused, on the ground that the board at his mosque could not agree on hiring him or not (in other words, his right to hold a job within Canada is not clear).

If you know as a fact that he is a terrorist, a would be terrorist, or has promoted terrorism, feel free to prove it. Otherwise, this looks like another ignorant and bigoted rant of yours.

Edited April 17, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

The potential is always there. Who knows what this man is preaching.

Not you.

Many mosques in Canada preach Islamofacist ideals, this could be one of them. We must protect Canadian society from terrorist attacks.

Some groups claiming to be Christian advocate the bombing of abortion clinics. Any Christian could be a member of such group.

We're going to be attacked in our Subway, it's not a matter of if but rather when. When it happens I'm sure they'll be all sorts of people on the left making excuses for them and apologizing for them.

Abortion clinics are going to be bombed, again. This is not a matter of if, but rather a matter of when. And there will be all sorts of people (again) finding excuses.

Bottom line is. Prove me that an individual is a security risk, and I will believe that person is a security risk. Supposition fuelled by bigotry do not qualify as proof.

[CANADIEN]

HIs denial is the proof. It's so easy to get status here in Canada. We let anyone in just about.

I am going to Europe next month. Two weeks. If I wanted to stay there over three months, I would have to apply for a visi, which would be refused if they thought that I want to stay there permanently. I must be a dangerous would-be terrorist, right?

[CANADIEN]

Lol. Come on TB. First, this one made the news so this makes it special as it was a leading Islamic Imam. Second, I have the general idea. Apply, wait for response and sometimes get called to a hearing. Fairly simple.

A leading Islamic Iman? Sure. Half of the board at the mosque decided to go overseas to get themselves an iman because they didn't find one available here, and the other half kept saying "too bad for him, but we want a Canadian iman". Not my definition of a leading anything.

[CANADIEN]

In no way am I "picking" on him because of his religion. Any person deemed not welcome should be immediately removed from my country. We don't need any more illegals.

He is not an illegal until the day his visa expires.

[Argus]

Having had been conquered by christians before then. This is a time where you only have right to land if you can hold it. The first muslims attacks were as you say but most of the rest of them were the christians attacking the muslims. That having been said thank God (pun intended) that the muslims managed to gain control of the lands they did I can only imagine what would have happened if the christians of the time managed to get a hold of those old greek and roman libraries.

In fact, Christianity spread through that region. There was no "Christian conquest", and there were no Muslims at the time. Islam came about centuries later and was spread by the sword. All the way to Spain, by the way. As for how greek libraries were treated, you might have a look into how invading Muslims treated Christians and their property sometime. You might also note that when the Muslims did take over Jerusalem they deliberately destroyed the Church of the Holy Sepulchre which was the holiest site in Christianity.

[Michael Hardner]

In fact, Christianity spread through that region. There was no "Christian conquest", and there were no Muslims at the time. Islam came about centuries later and was spread by the sword. All the way to Spain, by the way. As for how greek libraries were treated, you might have a look into how invading Muslims treated Christians and their property sometime. You might also note that when the Muslims did take over Jerusalem they deliberately destroyed the Church of the Holy Sepulchre which was the holiest site in Christianity.

Are you saying that the Muslims should feel guilt for now their ancestors treated the Europeans at that time ?

[Guest TrueMetis]

In fact, Christianity spread through that region. There was no "Christian conquest", and there were no Muslims at the time. Islam came about centuries later and was spread by the sword. All the way to Spain, by the way. As for how greek libraries were treated, you might have a look into how invading Muslims treated Christians and their property sometime. You might also note that when the Muslims did take over Jerusalem they deliberately destroyed the Church of the Holy Sepulchre which was the holiest site in Christianity.

I really don't care how the people treated each other at the time. It went both way the Muslims did horrible shit to the Christians the Christians did horrible shit to the muslims. What I do care about is the Muslims were the ones to preserve the ancient Greek, Roman, Egyptian, etc knowledge while odds are the Christians would have burnt it.

Given the choice between the two at the time I am definately living in the Muslim controled empire, wehre I probably won't even have to change my religion to Muslim or worry about being imprisoned for what I said.