Anne Coulter comes to Canada

[bush_cheney2004]

Goal post moved.

The game is larger than your boundaries.

[bush_cheney2004]

How so? The vast majority of Canadians probably don't know who the hell she is.

...they do now.

[capricorn]

In the end, I don't think the Houle letter mattered at all.

You're plain wrong. Houle emailed his colleagues a copy of his missive to Coulter. You can bet the contents of the email spread like wildfire throughout the campus. That's what caused the protest to snowball into something unmanageable. Had he kept his trap shut and let the event unfold without interference, the number of protesters would have been minimal. He and Allan Rock are equally responsible for the escalation of the situation at the UofO. Of course they're both too chicken to face the media and take the heat.

[Wilber]

82 pages on what would have been a non event if she had just been allowed to have her say and had to defend her views in a public forum. Should tell you something.

[Guest TrueMetis]

...they do now.

No they don't, this little event will not significantly increase the number of people who know who Coulter is. There will be a some small articles in some of the papers that most people won't even read.

Edited March 28, 2010 by TrueMetis

[nicky10013]

82 pages on what would have been a non event if she had just been allowed to have her say and had to defend her views in a public forum. Should tell you something.

But that was the entire point of her cancelling her own event. She gets to sell more books now because everyone was talking about her.

[bush_cheney2004]

No they don't, this little event will not significantly increase the number of people who know who Coulter is. There will be a some small articles in the of papers that most people won't even read.

Whatever you say....Nexis Lexis will say otherwise.

[jbg]

You never answered my question. So, the University should require the same security for ALL political events regardless of attendance, or none at all? So what happens if someone gets injured. Should the university and the organizers be liable? Then there's the option of the university picking up the tab, but that would have to come from a larger taxpayer subsidy. I sat on my college's board of directors and every dollar is put towards research and faculty. So the money has to come from somewhere. Would you be comfortable footing the bill?

The fact that you completely ignore these incredibly serious questions surrounding freedom of speech and safety indicates that these issues are clearly too complex for you to understand.

So you're saying that it's more or less OK for public authorities to buckle in to mobs and restrict unpopular speech?

[blueblood]

But that was the entire point of her cancelling her own event. She gets to sell more books now because everyone was talking about her.

Not to mention making the University and its student's look like clowns, and delivering her point without making a speech.

She has in essense made her speech in Ottawa. She did it in a calculated way, and made her opponents look like fools.

From CTV.ca

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[punked]

Not to mention making the University and its student's look like clowns, and delivering her point without making a speech.

She has in essense made her speech in Ottawa. She did it in a calculated way, and made her opponents look like fools.

From CTV.ca

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But she doesn't even believe in free speech?

"They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment."

Here is a video of the Palin Crowd beating up the REPUBLICAN protester. I want too stress this again this is a MEMBER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, who is trying too express his right too free speech and is assaulted. While McCain and Palin look on and say nothing.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/mesa/story/Caught-on-video-Heckler-roughed-up-at-Mesa-McCain/QeeDYwI4C0-S9fdEQINhgg.cspx

http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/[email protected]

Edited March 27, 2010 by punked

[nicky10013]

So you're saying that it's more or less OK for public authorities to buckle in to mobs and restrict unpopular speech?

Not at all. Argus was making the argument that universities "fine" right wing organizations by making them get security to which I responded they don't, just for things that could get out of hand, which could have included the Coulter speech. I asked what the alternative was if making them pay for security (which is what other university organizers have to do) is a fine and unfair to right wing organizations. There are 3, make the events have all the same level of security which is ludicrous, let the organizers decide how much security they need leaving the unviersity AND organizers liable if someone gets hurt or have the universities pay for it, which they can't which would mean an upping of subsidies, in essence having the tax payers pay for it.

Edited March 27, 2010 by nicky10013

[bush_cheney2004]

But she doesn't even believe in free speech?

"They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment."

...but you said it's her right to say whatever she wants. LOL!

[Wilber]

But that was the entire point of her cancelling her own event. She gets to sell more books now because everyone was talking about her.

So she ends up looking smart and the school looks stupid. Well done U of O.

[nicky10013]

Not to mention making the University and its student's look like clowns, and delivering her point without making a speech.

She has in essense made her speech in Ottawa. She did it in a calculated way, and made her opponents look like fools.

From CTV.ca

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The problem here lies in the fact that if she cancelled her own speech for publicity how could one blame the university for a freedom of speech violation? In that case, the only reason why students and the university looks like clowns is because dumb idiots are actually eating up her ridiculous bullshit. To an educated person that isn't the university looking like clowns, but the people who believe her.

[blueblood]

But she doesn't even believe in free speech?

"They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment."

So?

Her goal is not being a free speech advocate, its poking leftists in the eye.

Is she a hypocrite - yes

Is she a fool - yes

Did she succeed in having the left in a tizzy over one of its supposed pillars - yes

She will use the free speech card when it suits her.

From CTV.ca

Perhaps a lesson can be found in the words of a Calgary woman who walked out of Coulter's speech in the city Thursday evening.

"It wasn't smart enough to be offensive," the middle-aged woman told CTV of the speech with a laugh.

That's how you deal with a person like Coulter.

[nicky10013]

So?

Her goal is not being a free speech advocate, its poking leftists in the eye.

Is she a hypocrite - yes

Is she a fool - yes

Did she succeed in having the left in a tizzy over one of its supposed pillars - yes

She will use the free speech card when it suits her.

From CTV.ca

That's how you deal with a person like Coulter.

A truer statement could not have been made. Probably applies to about half the people who post here as well.

[punked]

So?

Her goal is not being a free speech advocate, its poking leftists in the eye.

Is she a hypocrite - yes

Is she a fool - yes

Did she succeed in having the left in a tizzy over one of its supposed pillars - yes

She will use the free speech card when it suits her.

From CTV.ca

That's how you deal with a person like Coulter.

We can agree and I posted as much at the start of this thread.

[blueblood]

The problem here lies in the fact that if she cancelled her own speech for publicity how could one blame the university for a freedom of speech violation?

Optics and a sound bite. The only thing the university is at fault is for the gong show that happened under their watch. She cancelled her speech because it is language to an audience that "things are so bad here, and things are so dangerous, I can't speak because I fear for my safety". Her cancelling the speech in response to the letter and the protestors (I heard 2000 from CBC news, but that's irrelevant) gave her audience the impression that if you have ideas contrary to leftist views, they will try and silence you through intimidation and thuggery. Whether this actually happened or not is a non issue, what does matter is that she gave the impression that it did happen and sold her audience on it.

The whole mess at U of Ottawa is Coulter's speech. She didn't even need to get up on stage and she still got the jist of it out to her audience, not only that it was far more effective than any of her speeches could ever be.

In that case, the only reason why students and the university looks like clowns is because dumb idiots are actually eating up her ridiculous bullshit.

Exactly, and quite a few people are and according to that CTV article more people than anticipated.

To an educated person that isn't the university looking like clowns, but the people who believe her.

The University sent a controversial letter, and gave the green light for the circus to come into town. They look like clowns. Notice how U of Western Ontario and U of C kept their traps shut, Coulter has no ammo against them.

[nicky10013]

Optics and a sound bite. The only thing the university is at fault is for the gong show that happened under their watch. She cancelled her speech because it is language to an audience that "things are so bad here, and things are so dangerous, I can't speak because I fear for my safety". Her cancelling the speech in response to the letter and the protestors (I heard 2000 from CBC news, but that's irrelevant) gave her audience the impression that if you have ideas contrary to leftist views, they will try and silence you through intimidation and thuggery. Whether this actually happened or not is a non issue, what does matter is that she gave the impression that it did happen and sold her audience on it.

The whole mess at U of Ottawa is Coulter's speech. She didn't even need to get up on stage and she still got the jist of it out to her audience, not only that it was far more effective than any of her speeches could ever be.

Exactly, and quite a few people are and according to that CTV article more people than anticipated.

The University sent a controversial letter, and gave the green light for the circus to come into town. They look like clowns. Notice how U of Western Ontario and U of C kept their traps shut, Coulter has no ammo against them.

Can't disagree with anything you've said. I've always maintained that despite whatever right Houle had to send the memo, politically, it was pretty stupid. That being said, just the fact that people believed her is depressing enough.

[bloodyminded]

Can't disagree with anything you've said. I've always maintained that despite whatever right Houle had to send the memo, politically, it was pretty stupid. That being said, just the fact that people believed her is depressing enough.

But we shouldn't mistake the loudness of her admirers with the fact that they remain an unintelligent minority about whom everybody is laughing.

Edited March 28, 2010 by bloodyminded

[nicky10013]

But we shouldn't mistake the loudness of her admirers with the fact that they remain an unintelligent minority about whom everybody is laughing.

Good point. That's true as well. I just hope that they really are the minority.

[bush_cheney2004]

Good point. That's true as well. I just hope that they really are the minority.

That you doubt this is evidence to the contrary. The assumed majority "intelligence" has been shown for what it is when it comes to contrary viewpoints, and it has already lost this battle.

[Alta4ever]

But we shouldn't mistake the loudness of her admirers with the fact that they remain an unintelligent minority about whom everybody is laughing.

This coming from the people who ended up giving her everything she wanted. For her controversy sells and you "intelligent" and "enlightened" people gave it to her spades. Bravo for playing right into her hands.

[Wilber]

But we shouldn't mistake the loudness of her admirers with the fact that they remain an unintelligent minority about whom everybody is laughing.

One doesn't have to be one of her admirers to realize that most of the laughing is at the U of O and not be happy about it. I wouldn't cross the street to listen to her but it seems she is a lot smarter than Houle and the Students Association. They aren't in the same league when it comes to this kind of game.

[Pliny]

They aren't in the same league when it comes to this kind of game.

So why wouldn't you cross the street to listen to someone at the top of their game? She might have some pointers for you.

I find her a little bit cold, a little stark, a little bit shrill... but her lip doesn't quiver for sympathetic support and that's what I like.