punked Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 “Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff claims to support the seal hunt but is attempting to play both sides of the issue,” the PMO memo says. “In these challenging economic times Ignatieff’s Liberals are playing politics with Canadian families who depend on the hunt for their livelihoods.” It also says that if Mr. Ignatieff truly supports the hunt he should insist on unanimity in his caucus “to stand united behind Canadian sealers, instead of undermining the hunt and undercutting the livelihood of Canadian families.” The memo is referring to Liberal Senator Mac Harb who has indicated he will reintroduce his bill to ban the seal hunt in Canada. He held a news conference earlier today with other anti-sealers. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/pmo-harpoons-liberal-divisions-on-seal-hunt/article1495032/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunata Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Ignatieff should absolutely not insist on unanimity. That's whats wrong with our Parliament. We elect MPs expecting them to take our voice to Ottawa and then the only voice we hear is the one of the "Party." How does anyone think that's right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Ignatieff should absolutely not insist on unanimity. That's whats wrong with our Parliament. We elect MPs expecting them to take our voice to Ottawa and then the only voice we hear is the one of the "Party." How does anyone think that's right? That is our system. You might not remember the Progressive party however it was the Party that its members vote however they want. They were gone in 2 elections after almost forming government because of that. My question too you is how can Iggy insist unanimity on things like the crime bill but not this. This issue is less then that? Well not out here it aint, and that is what Iggy is saying. This is an issue he doesn't take seriously just another case of the flip flopping flip flopper with no spine. Liberals get a new leader so I can go back too not hating your party please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 That is our system. No, it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunata Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 punked, I think you'll always hate the Liberal Party regardless of leaders, however, that's neither here nor there. I won't answer your question because I do not know the answer. I don't agree with any Party whipping the vote as it takes my voice away. It also takes your voice away. If you agree with every Party decision that has been made by your MP then I have a label for you. The bottom line is (or my bottom line is) we need Parliamentary reform and electoral reform. And we are getting further in democratic deficit with every successive PM. It doesn't sit well with me and, increasingly, with the general population. Our system is PM made and can be people undone (I hope). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 My informants tell me that Mac Harb is a Liberal senator from Ontario; a Chretien appointee. I am not sure why senators are thinking they should be introducing legislation. As I said in a thread just recently, people really only tolerate the Senate because it never actually does anything... and here's Mr Harb upsetting the apple cart. Shut up, drink your Metamucil, and go back to bed, Mr Harb. This could end up being shouting-match material during the next election campaign, but since Mr Harb is not accountable to anybody, anybody at all, there's really nothing Mr Ignatieff can do about the situation anyway. However, I think the commercial seal hunt is doomed. The writing is on the wall. Seal fur is about as popular as asbestos, and soon the only demand for seal will come from Chinese witch-doctors who use seal gonads in making the ancient herbal voodoo equivalent of Viagra. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 My informants tell me that Mac Harb is a Liberal senator from Ontario; a Chretien appointee. I am not sure why senators are thinking they should be introducing legislation. Yeah, why in heavens name would they go about doing their jobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyStone Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Yeah, why in heavens name would they go about doing their jobs? Curious. Firstly, didn't Harper tout the freedom he afforded his MP's when they had the vote on gay marriage? Secondly, given that there is no possibility of this passing, given the 95% support the parties have for the hunt, strongarming the rogue senator isn't really needed. Thirdly, does the author have the first clue about how the Senate works? Does he think that Liberal senators are part of the caucus? Does he think Ignatieff can throw Harb out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunata Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 My informants tell me that Mac Harb is a Liberal senator from Ontario; a Chretien appointee. I am not sure why senators are thinking they should be introducing legislation. As I said in a thread just recently, people really only tolerate the Senate because it never actually does anything... and here's Mr Harb upsetting the apple cart. Shut up, drink your Metamucil, and go back to bed, Mr Harb. This could end up being shouting-match material during the next election campaign, but since Mr Harb is not accountable to anybody, anybody at all, there's really nothing Mr Ignatieff can do about the situation anyway.equivalent of Viagra. The Senate does nothing? And Senators should be kept in line by the Party Leader? Ah, you must be a Conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I'd like to be a fly on the wall during the Liberal Senate caucus meeting because of this Liberal Senator... My link Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 My informants tell me that Mac Harb is a Liberal senator from Ontario; a Chretien appointee. He was a very poor city councillor in Ottawa who got in because of the Lebanese vote. His appointment to the senate was similarly a nod to the Lebanese community. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 He was a very poor city councillor in Ottawa who got in because of the Lebanese vote. His appointment to the senate was similarly a nod to the Lebanese community. Well, if everyone of lebanese descent who is allowed to voted lived in the same ward..perhaps...but there are so few lebanese in ottawa to begin with. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 However, I think the commercial seal hunt is doomed. The writing is on the wall. Seal fur is about as popular as asbestos, and soon the only demand for seal will come from Chinese witch-doctors who use seal gonads in making the ancient herbal voodoo equivalent of Viagra. + 1. All things in this life must come to an end, clubbing those poor creatures included. Dragging off the obvious end would only prolong suffering on both sides of the club. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I hope the conservatives laminate this bill and wallpaper every fishing community in Atlantic Canada with it as a sign of what a liberal government would like to do with their industry. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alta4ever Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 + 1. All things in this life must come to an end, clubbing those poor creatures included. Dragging off the obvious end would only prolong suffering on both sides of the club. So how do propose to cull the population and keep it under control since they are the rat of the sea. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 So how do propose to cull the population and keep it under control since they are the rat of the sea. Seal actually have the third largest population of any animal in the world including humans. I think we can agree on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Well, if everyone of lebanese descent who is allowed to voted lived in the same ward..perhaps...but there are so few lebanese in ottawa to begin with. Was that meant to be ironic? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Seal actually have the third largest population of any animal in the world including humans. I think we can agree on this issue. IF your for the seal hunt then we agree. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 IF your for the seal hunt then we agree. I have family who fish, and seal, it is how they eat. I would never take that away from them like some people who live in the city and don't understand would. Let these people eat, raise a family, and prosper. If you don't then you have no right to complain when they end up on welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 (edited) However, I think the commercial seal hunt is doomed. The writing is on the wall. Seal fur is about as popular as asbestos, and soon the only demand for seal will come from Chinese witch-doctors who use seal gonads in making the ancient herbal voodoo equivalent of Viagra. -k Doubt it, the market got f'ed up by the european ban, add the economic instability and demand went done. Give it a few years and demand will go up because seal fur is better than nearly any other source for winter coats and other such clothes. They are also the best source for omega 3's and that alone would be enough to sustain a hunt if the market wasn't so unstable. Finally even if the commercial hunt ends a cull will be put in place, so instead of it paying for itself taxpayers would pay for it. + 1. All things in this life must come to an end, clubbing those poor creatures included. Dragging off the obvious end would only prolong suffering on both sides of the club. Most seals are shot. Edited March 11, 2010 by TrueMetis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunata Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I hope the conservatives laminate this bill and wallpaper every fishing community in Atlantic Canada with it as a sign of what a liberal government would like to do with their industry. One Liberal is vocally against the seal hunt but this is an indication of what a Liberal government would do with the industry? Wow, that's not stretching it or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 (edited) One Liberal is vocally against the seal hunt but this is an indication of what a Liberal government would do with the industry? Wow, that's not stretching it or anything. Really where is fearless leaders condemnation on this bill? If he supports the seal hunters he will home out hard against this bill, but that would be very out of Character of Ignatieff. Edited March 10, 2010 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunata Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Really where is fearless leaders condemnation on this bill? If he supports the seal hunters he will home out hard against this bill, but that would be very out of Character of Ignatieff. That's bs and it's a phoney issue. Whether or not Ignatieff personally agrees with seal hunting or not, it's doubtful he will support this bill. As far as I know he's not vegetarian or a member of PETA. Just because he doesn't jump up and down over it means nothing until the vote. By the way, vilifying, stomping and attacking seems to be Conservative's jurisdiction. I would hope that Ignatieff, Layton or May would not copy that style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 That's bs and it's a phoney issue. Whether or not Ignatieff personally agrees with seal hunting or not, it's doubtful he will support this bill. As far as I know he's not vegetarian or a member of PETA. Just because he doesn't jump up and down over it means nothing until the vote. So you agree he is not willing to take a stand on something that is very beneficial to Atlantic Canada. Although that statement isn't fair because when have we ever seen Ignatieff take a stand. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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