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“Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff claims to support the seal hunt but is attempting to play both sides of the issue,” the PMO memo says. “In these challenging economic times Ignatieff’s Liberals are playing politics with Canadian families who depend on the hunt for their livelihoods.”

It also says that if Mr. Ignatieff truly supports the hunt he should insist on unanimity in his caucus “to stand united behind Canadian sealers, instead of undermining the hunt and undercutting the livelihood of Canadian families.”

The memo is referring to Liberal Senator Mac Harb who has indicated he will reintroduce his bill to ban the seal hunt in Canada. He held a news conference earlier today with other anti-sealers.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/pmo-harpoons-liberal-divisions-on-seal-hunt/article1495032/

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Ignatieff should absolutely not insist on unanimity. That's whats wrong with our Parliament. We elect MPs expecting them to take our voice to Ottawa and then the only voice we hear is the one of the "Party." How does anyone think that's right?

That is our system. You might not remember the Progressive party however it was the Party that its members vote however they want. They were gone in 2 elections after almost forming government because of that.

My question too you is how can Iggy insist unanimity on things like the crime bill but not this. This issue is less then that? Well not out here it aint, and that is what Iggy is saying. This is an issue he doesn't take seriously just another case of the flip flopping flip flopper with no spine. Liberals get a new leader so I can go back too not hating your party please.

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punked, I think you'll always hate the Liberal Party regardless of leaders, however, that's neither here nor there.

I won't answer your question because I do not know the answer. I don't agree with any Party whipping the vote as it takes my voice away. It also takes your voice away. If you agree with every Party decision that has been made by your MP then I have a label for you.

The bottom line is (or my bottom line is) we need Parliamentary reform and electoral reform. And we are getting further in democratic deficit with every successive PM. It doesn't sit well with me and, increasingly, with the general population. Our system is PM made and can be people undone (I hope).

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My informants tell me that Mac Harb is a Liberal senator from Ontario; a Chretien appointee. I am not sure why senators are thinking they should be introducing legislation. As I said in a thread just recently, people really only tolerate the Senate because it never actually does anything... and here's Mr Harb upsetting the apple cart. Shut up, drink your Metamucil, and go back to bed, Mr Harb.

This could end up being shouting-match material during the next election campaign, but since Mr Harb is not accountable to anybody, anybody at all, there's really nothing Mr Ignatieff can do about the situation anyway.

However, I think the commercial seal hunt is doomed. The writing is on the wall. Seal fur is about as popular as asbestos, and soon the only demand for seal will come from Chinese witch-doctors who use seal gonads in making the ancient herbal voodoo equivalent of Viagra.

-k

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My informants tell me that Mac Harb is a Liberal senator from Ontario; a Chretien appointee. I am not sure why senators are thinking they should be introducing legislation.

Yeah, why in heavens name would they go about doing their jobs?

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Yeah, why in heavens name would they go about doing their jobs?

Curious.

Firstly, didn't Harper tout the freedom he afforded his MP's when they had the vote on gay marriage?

Secondly, given that there is no possibility of this passing, given the 95% support the parties have for the hunt, strongarming the rogue senator isn't really needed.

Thirdly, does the author have the first clue about how the Senate works? Does he think that Liberal senators are part of the caucus? Does he think Ignatieff can throw Harb out?

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My informants tell me that Mac Harb is a Liberal senator from Ontario; a Chretien appointee. I am not sure why senators are thinking they should be introducing legislation. As I said in a thread just recently, people really only tolerate the Senate because it never actually does anything... and here's Mr Harb upsetting the apple cart. Shut up, drink your Metamucil, and go back to bed, Mr Harb.

This could end up being shouting-match material during the next election campaign, but since Mr Harb is not accountable to anybody, anybody at all, there's really nothing Mr Ignatieff can do about the situation anyway.equivalent of Viagra.

The Senate does nothing? And Senators should be kept in line by the Party Leader? Ah, you must be a Conservative.

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My informants tell me that Mac Harb is a Liberal senator from Ontario; a Chretien appointee.

He was a very poor city councillor in Ottawa who got in because of the Lebanese vote. His appointment to the senate was similarly a nod to the Lebanese community.

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He was a very poor city councillor in Ottawa who got in because of the Lebanese vote. His appointment to the senate was similarly a nod to the Lebanese community.

Well, if everyone of lebanese descent who is allowed to voted lived in the same ward..perhaps...but there are so few lebanese in ottawa to begin with.

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However, I think the commercial seal hunt is doomed. The writing is on the wall. Seal fur is about as popular as asbestos, and soon the only demand for seal will come from Chinese witch-doctors who use seal gonads in making the ancient herbal voodoo equivalent of Viagra.

+ 1. All things in this life must come to an end, clubbing those poor creatures included. Dragging off the obvious end would only prolong suffering on both sides of the club.

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+ 1. All things in this life must come to an end, clubbing those poor creatures included. Dragging off the obvious end would only prolong suffering on both sides of the club.

So how do propose to cull the population and keep it under control since they are the rat of the sea.

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IF your for the seal hunt then we agree.

I have family who fish, and seal, it is how they eat. I would never take that away from them like some people who live in the city and don't understand would. Let these people eat, raise a family, and prosper. If you don't then you have no right to complain when they end up on welfare.

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However, I think the commercial seal hunt is doomed. The writing is on the wall. Seal fur is about as popular as asbestos, and soon the only demand for seal will come from Chinese witch-doctors who use seal gonads in making the ancient herbal voodoo equivalent of Viagra.

-k

Doubt it, the market got f'ed up by the european ban, add the economic instability and demand went done. Give it a few years and demand will go up because seal fur is better than nearly any other source for winter coats and other such clothes. They are also the best source for omega 3's and that alone would be enough to sustain a hunt if the market wasn't so unstable. Finally even if the commercial hunt ends a cull will be put in place, so instead of it paying for itself taxpayers would pay for it.

+ 1. All things in this life must come to an end, clubbing those poor creatures included. Dragging off the obvious end would only prolong suffering on both sides of the club.

Most seals are shot.

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I hope the conservatives laminate this bill and wallpaper every fishing community in Atlantic Canada with it as a sign of what a liberal government would like to do with their industry.

One Liberal is vocally against the seal hunt but this is an indication of what a Liberal government would do with the industry? Wow, that's not stretching it or anything.

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One Liberal is vocally against the seal hunt but this is an indication of what a Liberal government would do with the industry? Wow, that's not stretching it or anything.

Really where is fearless leaders condemnation on this bill? If he supports the seal hunters he will home out hard against this bill, but that would be very out of Character of Ignatieff.

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Really where is fearless leaders condemnation on this bill? If he supports the seal hunters he will home out hard against this bill, but that would be very out of Character of Ignatieff.

That's bs and it's a phoney issue. Whether or not Ignatieff personally agrees with seal hunting or not, it's doubtful he will support this bill. As far as I know he's not vegetarian or a member of PETA. Just because he doesn't jump up and down over it means nothing until the vote.

By the way, vilifying, stomping and attacking seems to be Conservative's jurisdiction. I would hope that Ignatieff, Layton or May would not copy that style.

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That's bs and it's a phoney issue. Whether or not Ignatieff personally agrees with seal hunting or not, it's doubtful he will support this bill. As far as I know he's not vegetarian or a member of PETA. Just because he doesn't jump up and down over it means nothing until the vote.

So you agree he is not willing to take a stand on something that is very beneficial to Atlantic Canada.

Although that statement isn't fair because when have we ever seen Ignatieff take a stand.

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