Israel and the NDP

[Mr.Canada]

We'll start with the defining of what Anti Semitism is nowadays with a Jewish State of Israel now in existence. This wasn't the case for thousands of years. So anti Semitism is as defined below in addition to the traditional definition. This writing will be based upon this definition.

New Anti Semitism

New antisemitism is the name of the concept that a new form of antisemitism has developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, emanating simultaneously from the left, the right, and Islam, and tending to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel.

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Now it's quite obvious to anyone that the socialists, namely the NDP dislike Israel and Jews in general however they veil it behind just calling Israel an aparthied state or by saying they are just being critical of Israel, however one cannot be critical of Israel without being anti Semitic. They are one and the same. Look no further then Israels flag, it's emblazoned with the Star of David. An international symbol of Judeaism.

Mr. Layton caved in to the anti-Semites and Israel-haters in his ranks a long time ago. In 2004, when MPs Pat Martin and Judy Wasylycia-leis had the temerity to visit Israel, a group of NDP anti-Semites and Israel-haters engaged in a whinge-fest of such magnitude that Mr. Layton was forced to run for cover. To keep peace in the ranks, he promised that henceforth any NDPer contemplating a trip to Israel would first have to see approval from this caucus-within-a-caucus.

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Wow, can you imagine? A free Canadian citizen needs to get approval from Jack Layton before they can plan a visit to Israel because it upsets many within the party. This is outrageous, I cannot believe that Canada puts up with this blatent anti Semitism. Why aren't they called out? is it because they are socialists and the nations media has a left wing bend to it?

In 2006, at the party's convention in Quebec City, a motion that was highly critical of Israel, and which called Hezbollah a "recognized political party", was brought forward and supported by nearly 90% of delegates. Judy Wasylycia-Leis, the Winnipeg MP, was roundly booed when she expressed her concern that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. Ms. Davies, on the other hand, called it "a very fine resolution".

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This is even more antiSemitic in nature. Can you believe this is happening in Canada by a left wing party that is meant to be for the people? Seems like it's for any people as long as you're not a Jew. This is blatent racism and I don't know why these NDP MP's aren't pushed harder about this issue they have within their own party. After all if a Tory is deemed a racist he or she is run out of town immediately why are anti Semities given the free pass?

The radical left is dominated by union leaders like former CUPE Ontario head Sid Ryan, who tried to ban Israeli professors from visiting Canadian universities

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This smacks of antiSemitism. I would call this one the lefts boldest, most public displays of anti Semitism seen in Canada in a very long time. Why is he still employed by this union unless it's decision makers feel the same way he does. In order for Sid Ryan to say this publicly his contempt for Jews and for ISrael must be so overwheling that he couldn't contain himself any longer and just let it bubble to the surface.

By contrast, Mr. Mulcair is a defender of Israel's right to defend itself. Not only is his wife Jewish but her parents are Holocaust survivors. He and other pro-Israel New Democrats like Ms. Wasylycia-Leis and Pat Martin led a caucus revolt against Mr. Layton two years ago, after the NDP criticized the Conservative government for boycotting the United Nations Conference on Racism in Geneva, dubbed by its critics "Durban 2". At the time, one MP said the party was in danger of being "hi-jacked" by extremists.

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Here we have Mr. Mulclair who is married to Jew whoe parents escaped the Holocaust and Ms. Wasylycia-Leis who is herself a Jew revolting againmst their own party because of the veneomous anti Semitism. Claiming that the party is in danger of being t aken over by Anti Jewish, anti Semitic racists. This is unfathomable to imagine happening in Canada.

Sure sounds like anti Semitism to me.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[punked]

You have crossed a political line hope you like being on my ignore list. You can a stand against a nation with out being like you full of hate. BTW the NDP is taking many of the stances which the UN has taken yet you say nothing about the UN. You are troll.

[Bonam]

While there are certainly some disturbing anti-Israeli and sometimes anti-Semetic viewpoints becoming more prevalent on the left side of the political spectrum, I would point out that this statement:

however one cannot be critical of Israel without being anti Semitic.

is flatly incorrect. It is certainly possible to be critical of Israel without being anti Semitic. Saying the opposite is just the kind of statement that is overly extreme and loses support for Israel. People who have some legitimate criticism, if they get accused of being anti-Semites, are likely to be even more put off.

Being supportive of Israel and realizing that they are for the most part the "good guys" in the conflict doesn't mean thinking that they can do no wrong.

[Moonbox]

however one cannot be critical of Israel without being anti Semitic. They are one and the same.

The more you post man the dumber you look. You can be critical of Israel and not be anti-Semitic at the same time. I have many problems with the State of Israel, but I believe in their right to exist and protect themselves and I think their neighbors make it pretty difficult to exist peacefully. I also grew up with Jews and think they're great.

Look no further then Israels flag, it's emblazoned with the Star of David. An international symbol of Judeaism.

Idiotic. I hate to invoke Godwin's law already but that's just like saying if you're critical of Nazi Germany then you hate Christians. Their symbol was a Cross.

Wow, can you imagine? A free Canadian citizen needs to get approval from Jack Layton before they can plan a visit to Israel because it upsets many within the party.

It's too bad you say so much stupid **it amidst your posts because at least you have a point here. That is pretty lame if it's true. Stick to the facts and stop making up so much garbage and maybe everyone will stop making fun of you.

[Alta4ever]

Go post your crap elsewhere.

[Mr.Canada]

Idiotic. I hate to invoke Godwin's law already but that's just like saying if you're critical of Nazi Germany then you hate Christians. Their symbol was a Cross.

Their symbol was a crokked cross which had nothing to do with Christianity.

It's too bad you say so much stupid **it amidst your posts because at least you have a point here. That is pretty lame if it's true. Stick to the facts and stop making up so much garbage and maybe everyone will stop making fun of you.

I could care less if people make fun of me. I post for myself and no one else. I am not so narcassitic as to care what anonymous people on a forum on the internet think of me if the think of me at all. As I said, I post for myself because it makes me happy. I will post if no one else replies because I enjoy it.

It's quite obvious that no one here has the stones to attack what I've written because I've provided links and cites for everything. The socialists just dislike it whenI am correct in what I've quoted and said.

So instead of the ad hominem attacks which is all that has been posted so far why not try to attack my facts which are quoted. Can't do it?

It's really sad when a party that says it stands for the people can be so blantently against Israel which in turn puts it at odds with Jews who may support the NDP and even some with their own ranks as MP's.

It would seem the NDP would prefer to sweep the whole issue under the rug then deal with it. PM Harper should think of some way to use this to his advantage. Find a way to bring Israel into the debate and let the NDP lose their cool and their lips will get loose. Hopefully when the cameras or recorders are rolling. It's estimated that 90% of the NDP caucus is anti Israel and pro Hezbollah.

Hezbollah, the militant Islamic group that atacks Israel on a regular basis. Launches rockets into Israel. Doesn't think ISrael should even exist. Yeah, that Hezbollah. 90% of the NDP support them, so 90% of the NDP MP's don't think Israel should exist is what this means. This information needs to become front page news. I think it's important, the public should know that 90% of the NDP caucus don't support Israel right to exist in supporting Hezbollah.

The booed one of their own, a Jewish MP stood up in protest and she was booed...that's right. This is happening in Canada. By some right wing paramilitary group? Nope. By the KKK? Nope. By some skinhead gang? Wrong again.

This attitude is brought to you by the NDP. The NDP? Aren't they supossed to be a socialist outfit and for the people and the common man, love everybody all that hippy stuff? That's right.

Seems odd that they'd be anti-Israel and in turn Anti Semitic doesn't it?

It does indeed. I wonder what Jack Layton has to say about this. Is this why they call him by that name? Something Jack? Yes I would imagine it is.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[CANADIEN]

Let's see, Mr C.

Shall I quote those postings of yours where you called Israel an apartheid state, those where you questioned the number of victims of the Holocaust, or those where you stated that Jews and Arabs killing each others would mean more Christians?

The insanity of equating criticism of Israel with anti-Semetism as bad enough. Coming from someone who has written opinions like those above, it's even worse.

[Mr.Canada]

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Edited March 9, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Bonam]

This tells me that my facts are indeed strong.

Your facts are wrong. I can criticize Israel right now and not be anti-Semitic in the process.

For example, Israel has allowed the deployment of anti-rocket and anti-mortar weaponry along its borders to be delayed by several years. They could have been operational a year or two ago, while instead we only have Iron Dome coming online this year. Israel's lack of urgency in deploying these systems has resulted in the endangerment of its own citizens as well as continued opportunities for conflict. If Israel had devoted higher funding and had these systems in 2008, operation Cast Lead need not have happened, leading to less lives lost on both sides.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Bonam

[CANADIEN]

Ok, so all you have is ad hominem? You refuse to attack my statments and instead foucs on me. This tells me that my facts are indeed strong. Thanks.

Your primary fact, that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic by nature, is blatlantly non-sensical. Others have proven that already.

What I am proving on top of that is that you are in no position to call anyone an anti-Semite after some of the stuff you've posted on this site in the past. Call it an attack ad hominem or whatever you want, that FACT will not change.

[Bonam]

double post

Edited March 9, 2010 by Bonam

[Mr.Canada]

Your facts are wrong.

Ok so which of my facts concerning the NDP are wrong?

[DrGreenthumb]

Make sure to remind evryone after each post MrC that the Conservative Party and Stephen Harper best represent YOUR values. It would make us NDPers and Liberals really feel bad, seriously.

[Bonam]

Ok so which of my facts concerning the NDP are wrong?

Your facts about the NDP may well be right. It was your statement that being critical of Israel is the same as being anti-Semitic that is wrong. Feel free to read more than just the first sentence of my posts, that may answer your questions in the future.

[CANADIEN]

Ok so which of my facts concerning the NDP are wrong?

The primary one, that any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. But go, make everyone's day. Call Bonam an anti-Semite for his criticism of Israel delay in defending itself.

[Mr.Canada]

Your facts about the NDP may well be right. It was your statement that being critical of Israel is the same as being anti-Semitic that is wrong. Feel free to read more than just the first sentence of my posts, that may answer your questions in the future.

Thanks for that. If 90% of the NDP caucus supports Hezbollah as a legitimate party then they must also support their platform. Can't have one without the other. In the Hezbollah platform is the desire for ISrael to no longer exist. 90% of the NDP MP's support this by supporting Hezbollah. Thisis anti Semitic. No other way to say it.

New Anti Semitism

New antisemitism is the name of the concept that a new form of antisemitism has developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, emanating simultaneously from the left, the right, and Islam, and tending to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel.

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Edited March 9, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Moonbox]

Their symbol was a crokked cross which had nothing to do with Christianity.

The swastika in Germany was a Christian cross. That was their flag. Aside from that, German Panzers and Luftwaffe fighters/bombers all had just plain normal crosses painted on them.

Criticizing Nazi Germany means you hate Christians right? This is how dumb most of your points are.

[Smallc]

Thanks for that. If 90% of the NDP caucus supports Hezbollah as a legitimate party then they must also support their platform.

Really? I bet most of them recognize the Republican Party as a legitimate political party also. I doubt they agree with their platform (not to say I agree with the NDP on this, but this is another ridiculous statement).

[Moonbox]

Really? I bet most of them recognize the Republican Party as a legitimate political party also. I doubt they agree with their platform (not to say I agree with the NDP on this, but this is another ridiculous statement).

Bad analogy. The Republican Party doesn't have as it's main platform the destruction of an entire nation.

[M.Dancer]

You have crossed a political line hope you like being on my ignore list. You can a stand against a nation with out being like you full of hate. BTW the NDP is taking many of the stances which the UN has taken yet you say nothing about the UN. You are troll.

The UN has on more than one occasion been a source of anti semitic drek. That the NDP would take a similar stand is a disgrace and not unsurprising.

[M.Dancer]

Your facts about the NDP may well be right. It was your statement that being critical of Israel is the same as being anti-Semitic that is wrong. Feel free to read more than just the first sentence of my posts, that may answer your questions in the future.

I agree...

[Mr.Canada]

This is turning out just like my thread about Paula Fletcher freaking out. I post cold hard facts with zero wiggle room here just as I did on that topic and no one has enough stones to defend thier parties actions or at least explain them. Or come to think of it defend them.

Nobody defended Paula Fletcher who is a raving communist. Now no one will defend the party which they support with every fibre of their being. Another socialist outlet, the NDP.

I must have the facts so cold on both of these topics. People cannot admit when I'm right.... when I leave no room to argue but are falling over theselves to direct ad hominem at me when I do leave some room, it's almost hilarious. I usually leave room on purpose as I design my posts this way as I like confrontation but this time I thought I'd just post the facts...and look, no one has anything to say....priceless.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[M.Dancer]

This is turning out just like my thread about Paula Fletcher freaking out. I post cold hard facts with zero wiggle room here just as I did on that topic and no one has enough stones to defend thier parties actions or at least explain them. Or come to think of it defend them.

Not to mention she is a card carrying communist just like Trudeau was and Chreitien was. Not a pretend one like Jack Layton but this woman is a hard core communist.

You mean the cold hard facts like Trudeau and Chretien were card carrying communists?

...so much wiggle room....so much worm

[Smallc]

Bad analogy. The Republican Party doesn't have as it's main platform the destruction of an entire nation.

It's not a bad analogy at all. One can recognize a political entity without agreeing with their goals at all. Like I said, I don't agree with the NDP, but knowing them, they probably think that they can change Hezbollah.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Smallc

[nicky10013]

Bad analogy. The Republican Party doesn't have as it's main platform the destruction of an entire nation.

With some of their policies...I don't know...