Jack Layton pushes a woman in order to get on camera!

[blueblood]

Proabably because Harper has control over the photos that his photographer takes/control over which get published, while CTV will show whatever candid shots it wants, regardless of how Harper looks in them. I can understand his wanting his own photographer.

If you watched the CTV, Harper was getting pretty solid press. It just seems pretty wastefull bringing a photographer.

[Guest American Woman]

If you watched the CTV, Harper was getting pretty solid press. It just seems pretty wastefull bringing a photographer.

I don't get CTV, just CBC, but it sounds as if the photographer was there to take pictures for Harper's website.

[capricorn]

I don't get CTV, just CBC, but it sounds as if the photographer was there to take pictures for Harper's website.

One of those pics is sure to make the Harper/Conservative 2011 calendar that is mailed to its members.

[William Ashley]

One of those pics is sure to make the Harper/Conservative 2011 calendar that is mailed to its members.

Hopefully he is paying for the photographer out of his own pocket, and that money he said he would pay for every event he attended won't be a tax deducatable expense since it is being donated to a charity so Canadians pay for it anyway then he donates it to a charity of his choice. It better eat his pocket book not be another manipulation of the truth to deceive Canadian Taxpayers thinking he is someone who pays his way when the opposite is true. He should pay the air costs for flying all around the world for do nothing activities - if he actually accomplished things by jet setting it might make sense but a quarter million dollars for photo ops is not how tax payers funds should be spent. Shame on harper for eating the public dollar for propaganda and lies, especially when his government can't manage the budget without raking up billions of dollars in debt. They conservatives have already indebted Canada 100 billion dollars in the 3 years of their government. Canadians don't need another three let alone another 1. End the debt spenders government today or have none tomorrow! Canada only has 10 years to balance the books and pay off the debt or it will be

too late. Canadians don't need more debt.

Edited March 3, 2010 by William Ashley

[msdogfood]

I hate to defend Jack, but could he not simply have been trying to see the screen?

What i dont see it!!!!.

[Guest American Woman]

Hopefully he is paying for the photographer out of his own pocket,....

Why should he pay for it out of his own pocket? It's not a personal website; it's his website as PM. It's a government website.

[Mr.Canada]

In a clip broadcast between periods Mr. Layton, who was joined by his wife and fellow MP Olivia Chow, raises his arms in celebration as Canada nets its second goal. He also reaches out and lowers the arms of another bar patron. Some suggest this was an intentional bid to stay in the shot; the NDP Leader's press secretary says otherwise.

"The TV screen was up there, he moved her arm to be able to see," Karl Bélanger told The Globe. "She was clearly not upset or anything like that. She is a friend of a former NDP candidate who happened to sit besides them for the game. They shared a great Canadian moment and enjoyed a few beers together."

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So he was trying to look at the TV while he was looking directly at the camera, his eyes never moved from his nedusa stare he had on the CTV cameras. These people must really think we're idiots.

[Smallc]

I'm sure there's more than a few people that think that.......at least, about one of you in particular.....not to name any names.

[blueblood]

I'm sure there's more than a few people that think that.......at least, about one of you in particular.....not to name any names.

Edited March 3, 2010 by blueblood

[waldo]

anyone catch the Mercer segment on Layton last night... a fine interview/segment. But how will this stand up to all those bemoaning the couple of seconds 'face time' given to Layton during the hockey cut-away - oh... the humanity!

[M.Dancer]

anyone catch the Mercer segment on Layton last night... a fine interview/segment. But how will this stand up to all those bemoaning the couple of seconds 'face time' given to Layton during the hockey cut-away - oh... the humanity!

I did. I thought, wouldn't someone who aspires to be the prime minister at least try to encourage his family to learn one of the languages.

I also thought his estimates on savings of his energy efficiency are off. My guess is someone sold him a bill of goods...Jack (fighting bravely) Layton's repetition of the phrase "that's the plan" only reinforced my feelings.

On the otherhand, at least he's no longer living in public subsidized housing.

[waldo]

I did. I thought, wouldn't someone who aspires to be the prime minister at least try to encourage his family to learn one of the languages.

I also thought his estimates on savings of his energy efficiency are off. My guess is someone sold him a bill of goods...Jack (fighting bravely) Layton's repetition of the phrase "that's the plan" only reinforced my feelings.

On the otherhand, at least he's no longer living in public subsidized housing.

now Layton's not my guy, but I do believe you're being somewhat hurried and suspect in your jump-to response

somehow I missed out on the co-op housing issue... where a quick wiki check suggests you're being a bit disingenuous

Layton and Chow were also the subject of some dispute when a June 14, 1990 Toronto Star article by Tom Kerr accused them of unfairly living in a housing cooperative subsidized by the federal government, despite their high income. Layton and Chow had both lived in the Hazelburn Co-op since 1985, and lived together in an $800 per month three-bedroom apartment after their marriage in 1988. By 1990, their combined annual income was $120,000, and in March of that year they began voluntarily paying an additional $325 per month to offset their share of the co-op's Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation subsidy, the only members of the co-op to do so. In response to the article, the co-op's board argued that having mixed-income tenants was crucial to the success of co-ops, and that the laws deliberately set aside apartments for those willing to pay market rates, such as Layton and Chow. During the late 1980s and early 1990s they maintained approximately 30% of their units as low income units and provided the rest at what they considered market rent. In June 1990, the city's solicitor cleared the couple of any wrong-doing, and later that month, Layton and Chow left the co-op and bought a house in Toronto's Chinatown together with Chow's mother, a move they said had been planned for some time. Former Toronto mayor John Sewell later wrote in NOW that rival Toronto city councillor Tom Jakobek had given the story to Tom Kerr

in regards the housing retrofit - the energy consciousness - I would be more inclined to praise his/Olivia's efforts - solar power/heating, envelope insulation, geo-thermal... your concentrating on his "that's the plan" comment seems to miss his immediate follow-up, "that's what's happening", as in they are returning electricity to the grid (during the summer).

so that's 2 out 3 points where you seem to have taken embellishment liberties... I'm not clear on the third point, on his attempts to encourage his mother-in-law to, as you say, "learn one of the languages". Perhaps you caught something in the video I didn't - perhaps the video speaks to your point... and I must missed it.

[M.Dancer]

now Layton's not my guy, but I do believe you're being somewhat hurried and suspect in your jump-to response

somehow I missed out on the co-op housing issue... where a quick wiki check suggests you're being a bit disingenuous

I will be the first to admit that after the Star broke the story the Laytons began paying market rates

I'm not clear on the third point, on his attempts to encourage his mother-in-law to, as you say, "learn one of the languages". Perhaps you caught something in the video I didn't - perhaps the video speaks to your point... and I must missed it.

He spoke to his mother in law and she replied in Chinese. I believe she doesn't speak english.

What I saw, every time Mercer asked a question regarding the efficiancy, Layton relied, that's the plan. Rick asks about returning energy to the grid, Layton relies that in the summer it will...and says that's the paln.

He also said something like the solar panels(both electricity and hot water) would pay for themselves in 3 years. I don't buy that at all.

The video isn't online yet so my recall can not yet be verified.

Edited March 3, 2010 by M.Dancer

[Smallc]

What I saw, every time Mercer asked a question regarding the efficiancy, Layton relied, that's the plan. Rick asks about returning energy to the grid, Layton relies that in the summer it will...and says that's the paln.

Actually, he said that when the sun is shining, the meter runs backwards. That means it happens now.

[M.Dancer]

Actually, he said that when the sun is shining, the meter runs backwards. That means it happens now.

I believe that yes, when the sun is shining and the fridge is off and no one is cooking or watching TV or doing laundry, it very well may run backwards...

[waldo]

ok... I'll bite - and the video is online (I provided the link in my initial post).

I will be the first to admit that after the Star broke the story the Laytons began paying market rates

He spoke to his mother in law and she replied in Chinese. I believe she doesn't speak english.

What I saw, every time Mercer asked a question regarding the efficiancy, Layton relied, that's the plan. Rick asks about returning energy to the grid, Layton relies that in the summer it will...and says that's the paln.

He also said something like the solar panels(both electricity and hot water) would pay for themselves in 3 years. I don't buy that at all.

The video isn't online yet so my recall can not yet be verified.

the wiki speaks to a June 1990 Star article... and additional payments Layton/Chow made starting in March 1990 - my calendar suggests March predates June.

it would appear Layton's 3-year payback reference to solar heating panels may be quite accurate - he and Mercer were specifically talking about the large panel (that dedicated to Layton's solar heating)

The payback period for solar hot water systems can be relatively short. In very favorable cases (closely related to good climate conditions) 3 or 4 years paybacks are possible.

I also heard Layton speak Chinese to his wife Olivia... I didn't hear her response (but, of course, she speaks English fluently). But even if... even if his mother-in-law struggles with English... you can't speak to what degree Layton has encouraged his mother-in-law to learn English, or not. Surely, this isn't Conservative small-mindedness on full frontal display... is it?

[M.Dancer]

ok... I'll bite - and the video is online (I provided the link in my initial post).

the wiki speaks to a June 1990 Star article... and additional payments Layton/Chow made starting in March 1990 - my calendar suggests March predates June.

My mistake, you are correct, he only lived for 5 with a subsidy

it would appear Layton's 3-year payback reference to solar heating panels may be quite accurate - he and Mercer were specifically talking about the large panel (that dedicated to Layton's solar heating)

I'll have a look...

I also heard Layton speak Chinese to his wife Olivia... I didn't hear her response (but, of course, she speaks English fluently). But even if... even if his mother-in-law struggles with English... you can't speak to what degree Layton has encouraged his mother-in-law to learn English, or not. Surely, this isn't Conservative small-mindedness on full frontal display... is it?

No It is a display of believing that immigrants should be encouraged to learn the language...I normally have voted Liberal up and to PM MArtin.

Jack is fluently bilingual, so his comedic impression is convincing. When asked if he speaks any Cantonese as well, he quips 'a little bit yeah. I have to communicate with mother-in-law if I wanna eat."

http://www.carolynvictoriamill.com/jacklayton.htm

[Mr.Canada]

I enjoy the antcis of socialists like Jack Layton, it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside to see how he assaults people in full view of the camera just to get his smiling mug on TV. Then denies it and has a PR person make some statement that everyone knows is pure bull.

Man these socialists must really think that they can say whatever they want and have people nod in agreement blindly...how pathetic. I think Jack has been spending way too much time aover at Rabble.ca he's really believing that he's a God of some sort.

[waldo]

My mistake, you are correct, he only lived for 5 with a subsidy

really - I would think we could at least chip your claim down to 2 years (that wiki quote I offered speaks to 1988 as the year Layton/Chow moved together - having lived separately in the Co-Op since 1985). So 2 years between 1988 & 1990. The nature of the Co-Op description has it offering 30% of the units as affordable housing, the rest at market rate... I expect a condition of meeting a CMHC stipulation. My read of that wiki quote suggests Layton/Chow were paying market rate and opted to pay more than market rate to help the Cooperative meet it's payback obligations. The quote also speaks to a city solicitor clearing Layton/Chow of any wrongdoing. Of course, you could come back with information that might challenge the market rates for 1988-1990 and see how they compare to what their Co-Op designated as market rates... you could do that... and then perhaps presume to substantiate your claim.

No It is a display of believing that immigrants should be encouraged to learn the language...I normally have voted Liberal up and to PM MArtin.

you haven't addressed anything to your initial comment that spoke to how well Jack Layton had 'encouraged' his mother-in-law to attempt to become fluent in English. You quote from a 2003 article... perhaps her English has improved since then, even if only marginally. But again, that doesn't speak to your original point on the 'degree of Layton's encouragement'. I would anticipate an elderly first-generation immigrant might have significant challenges in learning a new language - I trust Conservative small-mindedness might still allow for case-by-case analysis and not broadly cast all elderly first-generation immigrants with the same brush.

[Mr.Canada]

Please stay on topic. Jack Layton assaulted a woman in order for his face to be on camera.

[waldo]

Please stay on topic. Jack Layton assaulted a woman in order for his face to be on camera.

Edited March 3, 2010 by waldo

[bloodyminded]

That's pretty good. Explains a few behaviors around here quite well.

[Mr.Canada]

OMG if PM Harper pushed someone out of the way in order to get on camera there'd be riots in Toronto but since Layton did it it's ok. I totally understand the hypocrisy of the socialist.

[Guest American Woman]

Please stay on topic. Jack Layton assaulted a woman in order for his face to be on camera.

Suuuure he assaulted a woman. That's why he's been arrested. Oops. He hasn't been, has he? I guess assaulting women isn't against the law in Canada, eh?

OMG if PM Harper pushed someone out of the way in order to get on camera there'd be riots in Toronto but since Layton did it it's ok. I totally understand the hypocrisy of the socialist.

Suuuuure he pushed someone out of the way. (You might want to look up "push" in the dictionary. )

a thousand times over.

[Mr.Canada]

Suuuure he assaulted a woman. That's why he's been arrested. Oops. He hasn't been, has he? I guess assaulting women isn't against the law in Canada, eh?

Suuuuure he pushed someone out of the way. (You might want to look up "push" in the dictionary. )

a thousand times over.

265. (1) A person commits an assault when

(a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;

He did these things didn't he? Thereby technically he assaulted her.