Future of Canada

[Gabriel]

Fascism is the merger of corporate and government powers. It is where a group of people think they know how to run the world better then everyone else. It is where they condemn descent.

Britain was and still is fascist, so is America.

Most of you don't even realize we live in a fascist state.

Not all fascism looks like Adolf Hitler.

You guys just believe the illusion.

I've notice people are mad at the conservatives now, enjoying the puppet show?

You can blame who ever is in power for the problems we face but it doesn't matter who is in power.

The system is the problem.

Seriously guys, ego suicide now.

We are headed for the worst depression ever, why don't you guys care?

We are starting more and more wars, why don't you guys care?

is it because the media doesn't tell us to care?

Just learn the money system.

I'll say it again, agreements and treaties between various nations is hardly the same as the merging of states into one. Of course as time goes on we'll see increased cohesiveness between various states on various big issues like security or free trade in various circumstances. It's called globalization and I'm sure many of us here were learning about it before you memorized your multiplication tables. This is hardly synonymous with your conspiracy theory Alex Jones-eque New World Order garbage. I'm gonna guess that you're a 19-year-old arts student who suddenly has the world all figured out.

Edited February 1, 2010 by Gabriel

[maple_leafs182]

Absolutely many of us care about such issues! We just don't believe YOU!

What don't you believe.

We don't accept your definitions of who or what countries are fascist. We don't share your criticisms of the "system".

I'm pretty sure my definition was bang on, what is your definition.

If you can't tell America is fascist then I understand why you don't think Canada or Britain are.

Ya, this system is perfect, let's continue letting the rich get richer.

Let's start more wars, lets let people starve on streets.

Great system.

In short, how can we care the same as you when we don't agree with your viewpoints?

Most of you won't even bother looking into it.

I could point my finger at you in the exact same manner simply because you don't agree with me!

Frankly, I think your premise is ridiculous!

What is so ridiculous about it.

I'm willing to debate.

Then you're just using the word fascism to mean "something I don't like".

Nope, I know what fascism is.

Reach into your pockets, pull out some money.

Every dollar in your hand right now is actually being loaned to the government at interest from PRIVATE Central Banks.

The government then uses our tax dollars to pay off the interest.

The Central banks create the money out of thin air and then charge interest on it that we are stuck paying.

If anything the monetary system is ridiculous.

[bush_cheney2004]

Reach into your pockets, pull out some money.

Every dollar in your hand right now is actually being loaned to the government at interest from PRIVATE Central Banks.

The government then uses our tax dollars to pay off the interest.

The Central banks create the money out of thin air and then charge interest on it that we are stuck paying.

If anything the monetary system is ridiculous.

Well, it's pretty tough to fit a goat or six chickens in my pocket. Maybe you can!

[whowhere]

Britain was and still is fascist, so is America.

Most of you don't even realize we live in a fascist state.

Not all fascism looks like Adolf Hitler.

Get a dictionary. If anything Canada is an apathetic state. That is quite the opposite. If there is fascism it's contained within the ranks of the Conservative and Liberal parties to keep a firm grip on those ranks. In any party there can be only one rooster. The motives of the conservatives and liberals are quite shallow and hardly fascist but more about putting their fat fingers into Canada's coffers and routing Canada's resources to benefit the party ranks. So really, towing the party line could lead to rewards.

Welcome to Politics Canada 101

[maple_leafs182]

Well, it's pretty tough to fit a goat or six chickens in my pocket. Maybe you can!

Why do you guys think we would go back to bartering.

If we ever evolve pass money it is because we realized it is better to work together then against each other.

Why don't we use our fields to grow food for everyone. We can grow surplus to make sure nobody goes hungry.

Why do we have to be so selfish.

[bush_cheney2004]

Why do you guys think we would go back to bartering.

We still do barter. Perhaps you didn't know this?

If we ever evolve pass money it is because we realized it is better to work together then against each other.

No...competiton is good. Besides, I don't like cheap vodka.

Why don't we use our fields to grow food for everyone. We can grow surplus to make sure nobody goes hungry.

We've already told you...it's not a food supply issue...just distribution. Millions of tonnes go wasted each year.

Why do we have to be so selfish.

Because we want to be. Why haven't you donated your PC yet?

[maple_leafs182]

Get a dictionary. If anything Canada is an apathetic state. That is quite the opposite. If there is fascism it's contained within the ranks of the Conservative and Liberal parties to keep a firm grip on those ranks. In any party there can be only one rooster. The motives of the conservatives and liberals are quite shallow and hardly fascist but more about putting their fat fingers into Canada's coffers and routing Canada's resources to benefit the party ranks. So really, towing the party line could lead to rewards.

Welcome to Politics Canada 101

Democracy is fascism with a mask on.

The Federal Reserve Bank in America is neither federal nor does it have reserves, the name is misleading.

Don't be fooled by the word democracy.

Who creates the problems that our government has to solve, do the problems just come out of nowhere, or are they a result of something else.

[Michael Hardner]

Democracy is fascism with a mask on.

Good is just evil with a mask on. Do you believe in good ? Naive. It's really evil you believe in.

[maple_leafs182]

We still do barter. Perhaps you didn't know this?

How often do you go to Best Buy and pay with eggs.

Do you barter? Maybe when it's with friends.

No...competiton is good. Besides, I don't like cheap vodka.

Why is competition good?

Is it because we've been told our whole lives competitions is good.

What makes you believe competition is good.

If all the Car companies great minds worked together to develop a car, would the car not be superior to a car that was developed by a small fraction of those minds.

We've already told you...it's not a food supply issue...just distribution. Millions of tonnes go wasted each year.

It isn't a distribution problem. It's a money problem.

Because we want to be. Why haven't you donated your PC yet?

How would me donating my PC solve any problems.

[whowhere]

Democracy is fascism with a mask on.

The Federal Reserve Bank in America is neither federal nor does it have reserves, the name is misleading.

Don't be fooled by the word democracy.

Who creates the problems that our government has to solve, do the problems just come out of nowhere, or are they a result of something else.

fascism is when someone goes to your house and tells you to keep it clean , tells you tp mow your lawn and so on and so forth. No one cares what anyone does. You are on your own. If you want something you have to go out and seek it. No one is going to seek out you. The opposite of a fascist state. If anything Canada is a corrupt state where officials and politicians will look the other way when corporations and businesses are abusing the people. After being abused you may think Canada's courts are there to stand for right and wrong. Not so, they are the voice of the Liberal and Conservative Party and those they serve: Corporations and businesses. Not fascism, corruption.

[bush_cheney2004]

How often do you go to Best Buy and pay with eggs.

Do you barter? Maybe when it's with friends.

I don't have hens to lay eggs for barter, but I do have goods and services that are bartered routinely at the local and national level via web based markets.

Why is competition good?

Is it because we've been told our whole lives competitions is good.

What makes you believe competition is good.

Competition is good because it improves performance compared to the absence of competition.

If all the Car companies great minds worked together to develop a car, would the car not be superior to a car that was developed by a small fraction of those minds.

No...it would be a horse designed by committee...a camel.

It isn't a distribution problem. It's a money problem.

Money is not a problem unless you have none.

How would me donating my PC solve any problems.

How can you be so greedy?

[maple_leafs182]

fascism is when someone goes to your house and tells you to keep it clean , tells you tp mow your lawn and so on and so forth. No one cares what anyone does. You are on your own. If you want something you have to go out and seek it. No one is going to seek out you.

Where did you get that definition from?

Fascism is a political ideology

If anything Canada is a corrupt state where officials and politicians will look the other way when corporations and businesses are abusing the people. After being abused you may think Canada's courts are there to stand for right and wrong. Not so, they are the voice of the Liberal and Conservative Party and those they serve: Corporations and businesses. Not fascism, corruption.

Fascism is the merger of corporate and state powers, at least that is how Mussolini defined it.

Fascism is corruption.

[maple_leafs182]

I don't have hens to lay eggs for barter, but I do have goods and services that are bartered routinely at the local and national level via web based markets.

Okay you may, but society generally doesn't barter. Money is what we use.

Competition is good because it improves performance compared to the absence of competition.

That is like saying God is great because god is great.

What proof do you have that it improves performance.

Money is not a problem unless you have none.

That is my point

The gap between the rich and poor is growing

How can you be so greedy?

I'm not, I share.

Edited February 1, 2010 by maple_leafs182

[bush_cheney2004]

Okay you may, but society generally doesn't barter. Money is what we use.

No, we use currency...money is only one form. Barter is alive and well around the world. You should get out more.

That is like saying God is great because god is great.

What proof do you have that it improves performance.

Madden 2010

That is my point

So you like money after all? Now you're wising up!

The gap between the rich and poor is growing

So what? You can't have rich people without poor people.

I'm not, I share.

That's very greedy....sell your PC and save the world with the money.

[nicky10013]

Fascism is the merger of corporate and government powers. It is where a group of people think they know how to run the world better then everyone else. It is where they condemn descent.

Britain was and still is fascist, so is America.

Most of you don't even realize we live in a fascist state.

Not all fascism looks like Adolf Hitler.

You guys just believe the illusion.

I've notice people are mad at the conservatives now, enjoying the puppet show?

You can blame who ever is in power for the problems we face but it doesn't matter who is in power.

The system is the problem.

Seriously guys, ego suicide now.

We are headed for the worst depression ever, why don't you guys care?

We are starting more and more wars, why don't you guys care?

is it because the media doesn't tell us to care?

Just learn the money system.

Sorry, but you fail the fascism test, too.

[maple_leafs182]

Sorry, but you fail the fascism test, too.

How so.

[bush_cheney2004]

How so.

Because it has to match the definition in their imperialist textbooks.

[nicky10013]

How so.

Fascism isn't the conglomeration of the state and the corporate community. Germany and Chile for example. In Germany no high level Nazi official controlled any big companies. There was corruption for sure, but that doesn't denote the business class running the state. Fascism was more about the allowance of private enterprise so long as it didn't interfere with the state.

Fascism is a rigedly totalitarian one party state run by ideological demagogues at the head of which resides a dictator; and fear.

They preach a conservative vision of society. In Germany, it was trying to return the heavily industrialized German to their traditional strong peasant Germanic roots. In Italy, Mussolini wanted to rebuild the Roman Empire.

Fascist states are also incredibly nationalistic which can be seen through ritualistic events. Nazi Germany was clearly the best example of that through Nuremburg Party Conferences but it has occured in other fascist states as well.

As I mentioned above fear was also an essential part. Like the Soviet Union at the time, it wasn't so much that you could speak out the government that kept people in line, it's that fascist states rounded people up indiscriminantly despite committing no offence at all. Anybody could be arrested for pretty much anything.

[fellowtraveller]

Correct...that's why some colonies had to use violent revolution.

From the fat into the fire, America has replaced royalty- worship with official, institutionalized Jesus worship.

You can't possibly get elected as President there without a personal relationship with Jebus. In 2010, in a supposedly secular state. Saudi II.

[maple_leafs182]

Fascism isn't the conglomeration of the state and the corporate community. Germany and Chile for example. In Germany no high level Nazi official controlled any big companies. There was corruption for sure, but that doesn't denote the business class running the state. Fascism was more about the allowance of private enterprise so long as it didn't interfere with the state.

I'm not talking socialism like where USA owns AIG, I mean when political and corporate interests converge.

Like how companies buy politicians to get laws and regulations passed that would benefit the company.

Fascism is a rigedly totalitarian one party state run by ideological demagogues at the head of which resides a dictator; and fear.

Why must it be one party.

Could the dictator or whoever is in charge not fool the people into thinking their is democracy by say having two or three parties, but the parties are controlled by the same people. Giving the public the illusion of democracy.

The dictator or whoever is in charge wouldn't even have to expose himself or themselves.

The whole democratic process would then just be a puppet show and the public would be none the wiser.

They preach a conservative vision of society. In Germany, it was trying to return the heavily industrialized German to their traditional strong peasant Germanic roots. In Italy, Mussolini wanted to rebuild the Roman Empire.

They preach whatever it will take to get the will of the people on their side.

If they want to shape public opinion they just need to get on the propaganda train.

As I mentioned above fear was also an essential part. Like the Soviet Union at the time, it wasn't so much that you could speak out the government that kept people in line, it's that fascist states rounded people up indiscriminantly despite committing no offence at all. Anybody could be arrested for pretty much anything.

People getting arrested for not committing an offence, sounds like the Patriot Act to me.

I know fear is an essential part but it doesn't need to be used as intimidation.

All you have to do is make the public fear some sort of threat to their way of life and they usually turn to the government to protect them.

Like how Hitler blamed the burning of The Reichstag on terrorists. The people then feared the threat of terrorist and turned to Hitler to protect them.

[bush_cheney2004]

From the fat into the fire, America has replaced royalty- worship with official, institutionalized Jesus worship.

You can't possibly get elected as President there without a personal relationship with Jebus. In 2010, in a supposedly secular state. Saudi II.

Ahem....the preamble to the Canadian Charter of Right and Freedoms:

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of

God

and the rule of law

Also...best do some homework on Catholic and Protestant school provisions in Canada. Praise Jebus!!

Edited February 1, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[nicky10013]

I'm not talking socialism like where USA owns AIG, I mean when political and corporate interests converge.

Like how companies buy politicians to get laws and regulations passed that would benefit the company.

The problem with that theory is that when a company doesn't become useful fascist states usually arrest the heads and throw them in prison and then sell off the other company. Just because business interests and state interests are similar doesn't mean the government doesn't has control of the entire process. I also didn't mean socialism in the case of AIG, but actual rich members of governments owning companies who also get government contracts.

Why must it be one party.

Could the dictator or whoever is in charge not fool the people into thinking their is democracy by say having two or three parties, but the parties are controlled by the same people. Giving the public the illusion of democracy.

The dictator or whoever is in charge wouldn't even have to expose himself or themselves.

The whole democratic process would then just be a puppet show and the public would be none the wiser.

Theoretically, it's possible but it's never happened. In the end, even a "one party state" doesn't evevn really matter that much. What really matters is the dictator essentially having the ability to legislate just by talking. Despite in you scenario the parties being controlled by the same people, you're essentially bringing more people into a conspiracy; people that are going to want something. The more deals you have to cut to keep people with you, the more power you essentially give up which is why there's never been an example of a multiparty fascist state. People point to Russia. Authoritarianism yes, but fascism no. Putin is a powerful man but nowhere neear where he needs to be.

They preach whatever it will take to get the will of the people on their side.

If they want to shape public opinion they just need to get on the propaganda train.

Not true, they have a specific vision of society and kill whoever opposes it.

People getting arrested for not committing an offence, sounds like the Patriot Act to me.

I know fear is an essential part but it doesn't need to be used as intimidation.

All you have to do is make the public fear some sort of threat to their way of life and they usually turn to the government to protect them.

Like how Hitler blamed the burning of The Reichstag on terrorists. The people then feared the threat of terrorist and turned to Hitler to protect them.

Yeah, but you need continuous example. Yes, fear is an essential part but of course it has to be used as intimidation. How else would it be used. Even if you just had fear from being arrested on speaking out against the government, that isn't enough for fascism. Random, indiscriminate arrests for no reason. Not even speaking out against the government.

Edited February 1, 2010 by nicky10013

[Jerry J. Fortin]

A direct democracy solves some of these issues. It is my favorite system.

[whowhere]

Where did you get that definition from?

Fascism is a political ideology

Fascism is the merger of corporate and state powers, at least that is how Mussolini defined it.

Fascism is corruption.

I was thinking of Nazi Germany and their pursuit of Racial purity. They had videos out there to shape the image and minds of Germans. I did a youtube search to see if any of these videos are posted. Give it time they will. You are right about your modern definition of Fascism. Is that Canada? Perhaps because the Liberals and the Conservatives keep throwing the patato back and forth. There is no doubt corruption is in Canada however the corruption is more about raping and pillaging the coffers of Canada for the Liberals and Conservatives benefit. They are like mosquitoes. They take enough blood to annoy but not cripple the victim.

[Michael Hardner]

I was thinking of Nazi Germany and their pursuit of Racial purity. They had videos out there to shape the image and minds of Germans. I did a youtube search to see if any of these videos are posted. Give it time they will. You are right about your modern definition of Fascism. Is that Canada? Perhaps because the Liberals and the Conservatives keep throwing the patato back and forth. There is no doubt corruption is in Canada however the corruption is more about raping and pillaging the coffers of Canada for the Liberals and Conservatives benefit. They are like mosquitoes. They take enough blood to annoy but not cripple the victim.

And to call the Canadian or American system Fascism is such hyperbole that you define yourself as a poster who makes antagonistic or inflammatory statements for effect.

A typical such statement is to say democracy is Fascism wearing a mask. Those are two systems of government that are diametrically opposed in most ways, so to equate them and to add "wearing a mask" is nonsense. If you do that, you imply that you can add the phrase "wearing a mask" to one of two opposites and the subsequent statement will still make sense.

Good is just evil wearing a mask.

Up is just down wearing a mask.

A dog is just a cat wearing mask.

See ?