Canadian Political Polls

[Evening Star]

As for the Charter, Trudeau yet again had another majority. The Charter couldn't possibly have been rammed down his throat, especially since it was his own proposal. Indeed, the Charter was his baby and had been pushing for constitutional reform since his first days as leader. Indeed, to show how principled the party really was, some would certainly argue that combined with the economy the constitution cost the Liberals power to Mulroney. So, you might want to read up on history before actually, you know, getting it wrong.

I've got to agree with Nicky here. Repatriation of the constitution and the charter were part of PET's vision since the beginning. In fact, despite his majority in 1980, he had actually offered a full coalition to the NDP, with several cabinet seats for the NDP, just so the govt could have more representation from the West. Broadbent and Rae turned him down (amusing, considering where Rae ended up). They actually chose not to play a part in the government in the 80s and certainly can't be credited with anything that happened during the 80-84 term. Who knows what might have happened in terms of the relationship between the Centre and the West if we actually saw that coalition.

[Evening Star]

(http://books.google.ca/books?id=yD_EGgNzYCkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=just+watch+me&hl=en&ei=KanETIbJJcOjnAe6wISGCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

pp 446-447)

[punked]

I've got to agree with Nicky here. Repatriation of the constitution and the charter were part of PET's vision since the beginning. In fact, despite his majority in 1980, he had actually offered a full coalition to the NDP, with several cabinet seats for the NDP, just so the govt could have more representation from the West. Broadbent and Rae turned him down (amusing, considering where Rae ended up). They actually chose not to play a part in the government in the 80s and certainly can't be credited with anything that happened during the 80-84 term. Who knows what might have happened in terms of the relationship between the Centre and the West if we actually saw that coalition.

Yah too bad Tommy suggested the Charter it was Quebec City in January 1950 he suggested to the leaders of all the provinces. The Liberals laughed him out of the room. Tommy was the only one to stand up to the Liberals as they shred the whole idea of the Charter during the October crises. So again the NDP had the idea tried to implement it while the Liberals twittled their thumbs and Tommy Douglas was the only to defended the idea when the Liberals were blowing their noses with it during 1970.

It isn't to pretend you stand for something you actually have to stand for it.

[nicky10013]

Yah too bad Tommy suggested the Charter it was Quebec City in January 1950 he suggested to the leaders of all the provinces. The Liberals laughed him out of the room. Tommy was the only one to stand up to the Liberals as they shred the whole idea of the Charter during the October crises. So again the NDP had the idea tried to implement it while the Liberals twittled their thumbs and Tommy Douglas was the only to defended the idea when the Liberals were blowing their noses with it during 1970.

It isn't to pretend you stand for something you actually have to stand for it.

You just can't concede a point, can you?

[punked]

You just can't concede a point, can you?

Not when the point isn't right. Like it or not the Charter was first demanded by the CCF and Tommy Douglas in 1950 and the Liberals in the room were not going to have any of it. I agree if we want to wait 30-60 years for basic rights then yah we should elect the Liberals if we want forward thinking and implementation of policy that will help all of Canada we should vote NDP. All I have seen anyone prove in this thread is the Liberals talk a big game, while the NDP are coming up with ideas then 40ish years after the NDP suggests an idea the Liberals go with it. Great I think I will vote for progress while I am still alive not 40 years from now.

[nicky10013]

Not when the point isn't right. Like it or not the Charter was first demanded by the CCF and Tommy Douglas in 1950 and the Liberals in the room were not going to have any of it. I agree if we want to wait 30-60 years for basic rights then yah we should elect the Liberals if we want forward thinking and implementation of policy that will help all of Canada we should vote NDP. All I have seen anyone prove in this thread is the Liberals talk a big game, while the NDP are coming up with ideas then 40ish years after the NDP suggests an idea the Liberals go with it. Great I think I will vote for progress while I am still alive not 40 years from now.

The problem is your party's policies are 40 years old still. If you don't understand that now, you never will. Have fun being a footnote.

Edited October 24, 2010 by nicky10013

[punked]

The problem is your party's policies are 40 years old still. If you don't understand that now, you never will. Have fun being a footnote.

Then maybe your party should stop trying to get elected on them.

[nicky10013]

Then maybe your party should stop trying to get elected on them.

This was literally "I know you are but what am I." This post says all it needs to say.

[Evening Star]

Not when the point isn't right. Like it or not the Charter was first demanded by the CCF and Tommy Douglas in 1950 and the Liberals in the room were not going to have any of it.

Whether or not this is true, the point was just that PET did believe in a charter and that he was the one who proposed it, got the support for it, and implemented it, without being somehow pressured to by the NDP. (One could also say the Americans had a bill of rights almost 200 years before Tommy Douglas proposed one in Canada.) The most influence the NDP had over his governments was during the 72-74 minority govt, whose main accomplishments, Petro-Canada and the FIRA, have since been abandoned, for better or worse.

In any case, I see little point to petty bickering between Liberal and NDP partisans. Both parties have done good and bad and have probably been most effective when they have co-operated.

[Bryan]

Conservatives Extend Lead in Canada

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/2010.10.27_Politics_CAN.pdf

Conservative Party holds a double-digit lead in Canada and overall voter preferences are very similar to the will expressed by the electorate in the last federal election

CPC: 37

LPC: 26

NDP:19

Leader Approval:

Harper: 28

Layton: 27

Ignatieff: 16

[Keepitsimple]

Interesting....because most of the supposed "blunders" are behind them. The economic action plan has not given the opposition any fodder for criticism. The Auditor General's criticism of the helicopter deal is not that big an issue but the Libs have stuck their foot in it by saying they will cancel the F35 program.....and that will prove to be a mistake. So the road has been cleared fairly nicely for the next while.....and I can't help but think that the Tories will continue to pick up votes in Ontario with all the "change" that's in the wind - especially in Toronto where Conservative voters are coming out of the closet. Now....let's see if the Conservatives can find another way to trip over themselves.

Edited October 28, 2010 by Keepitsimple

[nicky10013]

Conservatives Extend Lead in Canada

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/2010.10.27_Politics_CAN.pdf

CPC: 37

LPC: 26

NDP:19

Leader Approval:

Harper: 28

Layton: 27

Ignatieff: 16

Funny, you seemed to miss this one.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/rob-ford-bounce-and-elite-phobic-voters-drive-harper-surge/article1775943/

[Shakeyhands]

Funny, you seemed to miss this one.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/rob-ford-bounce-and-elite-phobic-voters-drive-harper-surge/article1775943/

I wonder if this will cause Harper to start shoveling money in to TO.

[nicky10013]

I wonder if this will cause Harper to start shoveling money in to TO.

Hahahah for a 2 point bump? Hardly.

[M.Dancer]

Hahahah for a 2 point bump? Hardly.

I think your right. They would go for a 4% bump

This map shows where they would target IMO.

http://torontoist.com/2010/10/which_wards_voted_for_who_for_mayor.php

[nicky10013]

I think your right. They would go for a 4% bump

This map shows where they would target IMO.

http://torontoist.com/2010/10/which_wards_voted_for_who_for_mayor.php

Uhh, I don't think so. As I recall correctly, they had around 37% of the vote the last time around and didn't up their spending. Didn't even come close to winning a Toronto riding. Even with Ford in office they won't come close.

Like I said, Calgary voted in a Liberal, I suppose Harper's seat is now vulnerable. :rolleyes:

Edited October 28, 2010 by nicky10013

[Keepitsimple]

I think your right. They would go for a 4% bump

This map shows where they would target IMO.

http://torontoist.com/2010/10/which_wards_voted_for_who_for_mayor.php

Seems pretty clear.....but I would caution that the real reason behind this "divide" is that since amalgamation, Elitist Toronto has completely ignored the burbs and refused to build a real inclusive city. You could hear it through the comments from some of the former counciller comments - saying that those in the burbs just weren't very smart. They are all tired of playing second fiddle to Downtown Toronto and the arts, streetcar, homeless and hug-a-thug crowd. People want a REAL city - from Steeles all the way to the lakeshore - from Scarboro all the way to Etobicoke. In this election, every vote counted.....now lets see a city that works for everyone.

[punked]

I looked at the internals even if the Cons pick up seats in Ont they stand to lose a Bunch in BC to the NDP, the Liberals to. This poll is a wash we will get the same Parliament just we might a few more NDPers from BC, and More Cons from Ont, and maybe more Liberals from the Atlantic. Nothing really going on here. No one is going to gain any seats.

[M.Dancer]

Seems pretty clear.....but I would caution that the real reason behind this "divide" is that since amalgamation, Elitist Toronto has completely ignored the burbs and refused to build a real inclusive city. You could hear it through the comments from some of the former counciller comments - saying that those in the burbs just weren't very smart. They are all tired of playing second fiddle to Downtown Toronto and the arts, streetcar, homeless and hug-a-thug crowd. People want a REAL city - from Steeles all the way to the lakeshore - from Scarboro all the way to Etobicoke. In this election, every vote counted.....now lets see a city that works for everyone.

I know what you mean. I live mid town, work yonge and bloor. I shudder if I have to go north of Lawrence or west of Bathurst...east of the Don...that's weirdsville.

[Keepitsimple]

Latest Nanos Poll:

Conservatives: 37.1%

Liberals: 31.6

NDP: 15.4

Bloc: 10.8

Green: 5.2

The Conservatives are leading the Liberals in national support by about five points – 37.1 per cent for the Tories compared to 31.6 per cent for the Grits. The NDP is polling at 15.4 per cent, the Bloc is at 10.8 per cent, the Green Party is at 5.2 per cent and 19. 2 per cent of respondents are undecided.

Regional breakdowns reveal some potential tight provincial contests. The Tories are leading in Atlantic Canada, which is usually considered a Liberal base, with 42.4 per cent backing Mr. Harper’s team compared to 32.7 per cent for Mr. Ignatieff’s.

In vote-rich Ontario, the Conservatives are also polling ahead of the Liberals, 40.9 per cent for the government compared to 35.5 per cent for the opposition.

In addition, Mr. Nanos looked at his leadership index, which is a compendium of three questions: which leader do you trust more, which is more competent, which has the better vision for Canada? He gave Mr. Harper a score of 84.9 per cent compared to 45.1 per cent for Mr. Ignatieff and 46.1 per cent for Mr. Layton.

But there little glimmer of hope for Mr. Ignatieff here. In September, the Liberal Leader’s score was 39 points compared to 43.9 for Mr. Layton and 83.3 per cent for Mr. Harper.

Link to Article: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/harper-clings-to-five-point-lead-as-poll-exposes-political-rut/article1793038/

Link to Nanos Poll: http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00998/Nanos_poll__Ballot__998862a.pdf

[nicky10013]

Conservatives: 29.4

Liberals: 28.6

NDP: 19.3

Green: 10.7

Bloc: 9.3

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/ndp-makes-gains-amid-startling-tory-liberal-deadlock/article1794816/

[ToadBrother]

Conservatives: 29.4

Liberals: 28.6

NDP: 19.3

Green: 10.7

Bloc: 9.3

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/ndp-makes-gains-amid-startling-tory-liberal-deadlock/article1794816/

Not election any time soon.

[eyeball]

Not election any time soon.

At least not until all the old farts in Alberta die off. They sure seem to be bearing the brunt of the reason for the current deadlock.

[nicky10013]

Not election any time soon.

Depends. Lots of undecideds, incredibly low numbers for the government, general feeling that the country isn't going in the right direction. In an environment, things can change fast but only in an election writ and depends on the issue. If Harper acquiesces to the American Government on asking Canada to do "outside the wire" training - IE limited combat mission in Afghanistan, could be a snap election issue. A lot of people feel really strongly on this.

[lukin]

Conservatives: 29.4

Liberals: 28.6

NDP: 19.3

Green: 10.7

Bloc: 9.3

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/ndp-makes-gains-amid-startling-tory-liberal-deadlock/article1794816/

Nanos

November 1 – 5, 2010

CPC: 37.1

LPC: 31.6

NDP: 15.5

GP: 5.2

BQ: 10.8