Oleg Bach Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 TORTURE is not a game to be played by the faint of heart or by wanna be bad guys. Saw my first video of actual water boarding...I wondered to myself why are the boner in the pants sadists fooling around? The should get to the nitty gritty and simply take the suspect or suspected witch to a pond and submerge him in ten feet of water in a chair that is hooked up to a levering device. Yes lets bet back to dunking...or better yet lets just tie some rocks to the witch and toss them in - If they float they are terrorists and should suffer some of that modern lethal injectable stuff - if they sink then the organs should be donated to a charity of your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted December 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Correction: Typo.............I meant enhanced questioning...maybe they could just yell the questions out louder or something...maybe the suspect just needs a hearing aid - and did you ever wonder if some of those water boarded victims learned to breath out of the corner of their lips...or maybe could hold their breath a long long time - in all stern seriousness - this one issue has totally destroyed the crediblity and brought the USA to it's lowest planetary apporval rating ever - America will never over come this embarassment - at least now we see what type of man gets to the highest point of success in the USA - Dickless sadistic spoiled old rich boys who pulled the wings off of flys till they were 40 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Ashley Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 TORTURE is not a game to be played by the faint of heart or by wanna be bad guys. Saw my first video of actual water boarding...I wondered to myself why are the boner in the pants sadists fooling around? The should get to the nitty gritty and simply take the suspect or suspected witch to a pond and submerge him in ten feet of water in a chair that is hooked up to a levering device. Yes lets bet back to dunking...or better yet lets just tie some rocks to the witch and toss them in - If they float they are terrorists and should suffer some of that modern lethal injectable stuff - if they sink then the organs should be donated to a charity of your choice. torture is illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Saw my first video of actual water boarding...I wondered to myself why are the boner in the pants sadists fooling around? The should get to the nitty gritty and simply take the suspect or suspected witch to a pond and submerge him in ten feet of water in a chair that is hooked up to a levering device. Really? When I first saw a video of water-boarding I couldn't believe how tame it was compared to its evil sounding name. I thought forsure there must be a wooden board involved somehow. But no. Just the pouring of small amounts of water onto one's face. I was fairly disappointed. :angry: What's funny about water-boarding is that, when in the hands of trained professionals, it's impossible to die or even be injured. But yes, it's very uncomfortable. The moral of the story? Don't lead a life of terrorism trying to kill innocent civilians and you'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugs Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Really? When I first saw a video of water-boarding I couldn't believe how tame it was compared to its evil sounding name. I thought forsure there must be a wooden board involved somehow. But no. Just the pouring of small amounts of water onto one's face. I was fairly disappointed. :angry: What's funny about water-boarding is that, when in the hands of trained professionals, it's impossible to die or even be injured. But yes, it's very uncomfortable. The moral of the story? Don't lead a life of terrorism trying to kill innocent civilians and you'll be fine. Did you read the famous 'memos' -- a guideline for the 'enhanced interrogation'? The document is very conscious of human rights, and it is clear they US military has developed techniques that conform to these 'international laws'. If these 'enhanced techniques' are torture, they are tortures that cause no pain, and do not damage to the body. They start with grabbing by the lapels. Some of them work through sleep deprivation and physical exhaustion. Some of them cause fear and even panic, ie. the use of insects, dogs, and even women, to add 'stress' to the prisoner. Waterboarding is the ace in the interrogator's deck. It works by inducing a panic. Anyone who has almost drowned knows the panic. By tricking that panic, they can get prisoners to agree to talk it they will stop. What offends me about this discussion is that those who have such high standards know very well that nobody, and certainly not the World Court, will go after serious war criminals and human right violators unless they are from the West. Nobody expects the Taliban to stop beheading let alone deal with the African dictators. Those who decry Abu Ghraib don't have a word of complaint about what went on in that very prison, before the Americans arrived, when Saddam's people were in charge of interrogation. I'll give you a taste -- they liked to hang people from the ceiling in different postures, douse them with water, and hit them with electrodes. The convulsions led them to pull their bones of their joints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted December 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 No! An evolved and civilized society does not and should never participate in the tormenting of small animals, children, the elderly or any adult. Those here that condone this should perhaps get an education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 No! An evolved and civilized society does not and should never participate in the tormenting of small animals, children, the elderly or any adult. Those here that condone this should perhaps get an education. ...does that include vacuum aspirating live fetuses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugs Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 No! An evolved and civilized society does not and should never participate in the tormenting of small animals, children, the elderly or any adult. Those here that condone this should perhaps get an education. There's a difference between being civilized and being effete. Were we less civilized in the 1940ies that we are now? In World War II, any German officer captured on a U-Boat was likely to be tortured at the hands of the British, and nobody called them uncivilized. The Romans crucified people in the thousands, and they set the standard of civilization for 500 years. You are a tad dogmatic in your pronouncements, Oleg. Just because civilized nations hide their torture doesn't mean they don't do it. I (personally) think that, in many cases, an execution would be less gratuitously cruel than life-imprisonment in some hell-hole, going quietly mad. Perhaps we should admit that, in fact, waterboarding represents a civilizational advance over the thumbscrew and rack, and that the brilliance of civilization is illustrated because the Americans can extract information without relying on inflicting pain to get it. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) There's a difference between being civilized and being effete. Were we less civilized in the 1940ies that we are now? In World War II, any German officer captured on a U-Boat was likely to be tortured at the hands of the British, and nobody called them uncivilized. The Romans crucified people in the thousands, and they set the standard of civilization for 500 years. You are a tad dogmatic in your pronouncements, Oleg. Just because civilized nations hide their torture doesn't mean they don't do it. I (personally) think that, in many cases, an execution would be less gratuitously cruel than life-imprisonment in some hell-hole, going quietly mad. Perhaps we should admit that, in fact, waterboarding represents a civilizational advance over the thumbscrew and rack, and that the brilliance of civilization is illustrated because the Americans can extract information without relying on inflicting pain to get it. Why not? Why was it considered illegal under American law until the Americans decided to use it? Was America too "effete," but has now become "masculine" enough to wilingly subjugate people? Boy, we must really admire those famed Islamist head-choppers. Not effete; masculine. And Saddam with his rape rooms! No way was he going to allow feminine sensibilities to get in the way of what Bravely Needs To Be Done. At any rate, it takes no guts at all to inflict harm. Cowards inflict harm all the time. Edited December 31, 2009 by bloodyminded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 The science is settled and we've reached a consensus. The rest of you are just deniers. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of U.S. voters say waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques should be used to gain information from the terrorist who attempted to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day. Link Water-boarding is not torture. Members of the American military and CIA are water-boarded as part of their training. Anyone who's water-boarded by trained professionals has nothing to worry about except for temporary discomfort. And anyone who claims that this method doesn't work, is lying. I bet it would take a whole 10 seconds for you to give up your bank PIN numbers under such circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Oh, the principles we're willing to set aside in the face of fear. May God forgive us for our idiocy. BTW, I think you'd better look up the definition of consensus. If 58% is a consensus....then perhaps you;d better change your position on AGW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 ...does that include vacuum aspirating live fetuses? Nope. Apparently that's part of an enlightened society. Ignoring science, ignoring 3D ultrasounds, ignoring heartbeats, etc. All for the purpose of convenience for the adult who's been "inconvenienced." Planned Parenthood Director Leaves, Has Change of Heart Planned Parenthood has been a part of Abby Johnson's life for the past eight years; that is until last month, when Abby resigned. Johnson said she realized she wanted to leave, after watching an ultrasound of an abortion procedure. "I just thought I can't do this anymore, and it was just like a flash that hit me and I thought that's it," said Jonhson. She handed in her resignation October 6. Johnson worked as the Bryan Planned Parenthood Director for two years. According to Johnson, the non-profit was struggling under the weight of a tough economy, and changing it's business model from one that pushed prevention, to one that focused on abortion. Link How about instead of working to protect terrorist killers, we instead focus our great enlightened society's outrage at the protection of unborn babies? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 The science is settled and we've reached a consensus. The rest of you are just deniers. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of U.S. voters say waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques should be used to gain information from the terrorist who attempted to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day. Link Water-boarding is not torture. Members of the American military and CIA are water-boarded as part of their training. Anyone who's water-boarded by trained professionals has nothing to worry about except for temporary discomfort. And anyone who claims that this method doesn't work, is lying. I bet it would take a whole 10 seconds for you to give up your bank PIN numbers under such circumstances. Right. It's not torture, and it's not so bad, but it would make anyone give up information in seconds. That's some interesting intellectual acrobatics. And the whole military training bit--which you plagiarized from some knuckledragging torture-porn lover, as I've read your phrase here word-for-word six hundred times by six hundred unenlightened sadists elsewhere--is completely ridiculous. When it's done as part of training (because other nations TORTURE IN THIS WAY, is the stated reason), the people know--know!--that they're going to be ok, that they are undergoing this as training, and that it's done to help them in any potential event in which they are tortured in this way. That's a little different from being waterboarded by hostiles. Ye God, does this actually even need to be spelled out? Evidently so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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