Harper to prorogue parliament AGAIN?

[ToadBrother]

You're not gonna imply that you can add up all the other party's votes and assume they represented one big total of people who supported a coalition?

The idea of taking the votes of people who did not vote for your rival as supportive of your own favourite is absurd!

First of all, I'm stating pretty explicitly that Parliament isn't run purely by polling contests. Our Constitution does not allow for a direct translation of the popular vote into seats in the House, and it certainly doesn't recognize the latest polling numbers.

Secondly, the Coalition never enjoyed plurality support, but still, as I recall, at one point it was around 37%, which equaled the Tory popular vote.

[nicky10013]

They sent them in to combat without the correct equipment. Real nice liberal policy. The liberal party didn't balance the budget Nafta did. They simply continued collecting more taxes of a growing economy, and gutted core services and military spending. They downloaded costs onto the provinces without making tax room for the provinces to pay for these services. Then bribed the havenot provinces with equalization money. Do you remember in the nineties why they were going use some of the money to subsidize NHL teams?

Better go ask you high school social studies teacher for another argument.

PS, it's pretty bad when the Liberal party is more fiscally conservative than the Conservative Party. Yet, the party is still labelled as a socialist tax and spender. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The CPC caucus is full of liars and hypocrites and there's just no getting around it.

[Oleg Bach]

They are all liars and lawyer. I have often wondered why we make shrewd legalist our leaders...by the very nature of law creation the profession of lawyer and political is one based on skilled yet respected deception.

[nicky10013]

They are all liars and lawyer. I have often wondered why we make shrewd legalist our leaders...by the very nature of law creation the profession of lawyer and political is one based on skilled yet respected deception.

I don't quite agree with that. A lot of them do but it seems to be out of necessity. Winston Churchill once said the best argument against democracy is spending time with the average voter. Populism is what creates the monster. It's essentially mob mentality. The CPC, though, seems to make its bread and butter off of image politics. It's funny that when comparing the records of Liberals and Conservatives, it's almost the exact opposite of conventional thinking. Reagan, Bushx2, Mulroney, Harper have all been the highest spending governments in history. Yet, Liberals still get the shaft as socialists who want to steal everyone's freedom. You could accuse the Liberals of the same thing with the whole "hidden agenda" affair with Stockwell Day, but in the end when you have a member of new earth creationism campaigning as a centrist in the Liberal tradition, there is a hidden agenda. The problem with Liberals is that they're too dumb and moral to play the same game.

[Alta4ever]

PS, it's pretty bad when the Liberal party is more fiscally conservative than the Conservative Party. Yet, the party is still labelled as a socialist tax and spender. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The CPC caucus is full of liars and hypocrites and there's just no getting around it.

Fiscally conservative policy would have reduced federal taxes to make room for provincial taxes to pay for the costs the federal government (liberal) downloaded on them. But I am assuming that you are ignoring such facts.

[Alta4ever]

PS, it's pretty bad when the Liberal party is more fiscally conservative than the Conservative Party. Yet, the party is still labelled as a socialist tax and spender. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The CPC caucus is full of liars and hypocrites and there's just no getting around it.

I would like to see your list conservative Mp by Conservative Mp, what makes them a liar.

I want to see you provide proof an itemized list with each conservative mp's name with the reason and proof to back up the claim that they are either a liar or a hypocrite.

[Smallc]

Fiscally conservative policy would have reduced federal taxes

You mean like in 2000 when Canadians got the biggest tax break ever?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Yes more than that- you and I are part of the corporate. We are not just citizens but share holders in a thing called the Common Wealth. All of us contribute in one way or another..no one with in the national body gets a free ride. As a Nation when we bring in immigrants the make an oath to the family - the national corporate entity and become part of that body. In other words some are wards that are adopted in and some are natural born...It is our duty to be loyal to the whole and to the individual...I just wish that someone would make it clear to the upstarts in big buisness who have gone international and have forgotten their obligations and duties - Conrad Black was a prime example..he was disloyal and now he pays the price.

Oleg we are going into Social Credit very quickly here......

[DrGreenthumb]

You mean like in 2000 when Canadians got the biggest tax break ever?

Who was in power then?

[Smallc]

Who was in power then?

I'd have to look back to be certain....but I'm pretty sure it was (shock) Liberals. That's unpossible.

[nicky10013]

Fiscally conservative policy would have reduced federal taxes to make room for provincial taxes to pay for the costs the federal government (liberal) downloaded on them. But I am assuming that you are ignoring such facts.

I don't equate shifting federal tax to provincial jurisdiction as a conservative fiscal policy. Conservative fiscal policy is getting rid of the tax altogether. The newest bunch of morons did that and has created a huge structural deficit that was in place even before the recession.

I don't ignore it. The Liberals did have to slash budgets. However, in the end, slashing defence spending isn't exactly the end of the world. The Cold War was over and the need for a larger military like Mulroney wanted (like his farcical attempt to buy nuclear weapons) was no longer there. Every defense analyst today argues that a country like Canada should be attempting to create a small yet mobile force hence moving away from things like main battle tanks to armoured vehicles like the LAV. The Liberals didn't leave Canada with an underequipped military. They signed the upgrade contract for the F-18s and invested in the new JSF, modernisation of the fleet, new army vehicles. The Iilts jeeps needed to replace once we got to Afghanistan and the Liberal government bought the new hardened G-Wagons. Just because Canada wasn't rolling leopards doesn't mean we were under-equipped.

The Liberals did download. However, Ontario under Mike Harris just downloaded them onto the municipalities. There wasn't just one guilty party in this, there was at least 2. Guess who was a part of that Caucus. Tony Clement and John Baird just to name a few. Actually, that's probably it I'm just too lazy to look it up.

Edited January 7, 2010 by nicky10013

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I'd have to look back to be certain....but I'm pretty sure it was (shock) Liberals. That's unpossible.

Yet some benefit more than others from tax breaks. Usually they are targeted in some manner.

[nicky10013]

I would like to see your list conservative Mp by Conservative Mp, what makes them a liar.

I want to see you provide proof an itemized list with each conservative mp's name with the reason and proof to back up the claim that they are either a liar or a hypocrite.

I only have to provide one. The rest are a bunch of yes men and women in empty suits.

[Smallc]

Yet some benefit more than others from tax breaks. Usually they are targeted in some manner.

These tax breaks were across the board. Federal bracket creep was eliminated, and the income limits on all rates were increased by hundreds to thousands of dollars. The next two brackets had their rates cut (from 17% to 16% and from 25% to 22%) and the highest bracket was split in two so that money that was taxed at 29% (starting at 60K) was now taxed at 26%. You had to make 100K before any money was taxed at 29%.

Edited January 7, 2010 by Smallc

[DrGreenthumb]

I'd have to look back to be certain....but I'm pretty sure it was (shock) Liberals. That's unpossible.

Its funny a lot of the big money farmers and businessmen I always suspected were Conservatives have privately told me that they actually favour the Liberals, and wish that Paul Martin had won a majority.

[Alta4ever]

You mean like in 2000 when Canadians got the biggest tax break ever?

Only after the outrage created when the then government wanted to subsidize NHL teams to the tune of millions.

[Alta4ever]

I only have to provide one. The rest are a bunch of yes men and women in empty suits.

Then you have no argument and are slandering a whole group of individuals.

Edited January 7, 2010 by Alta4ever

[Oleg Bach]

In my imagination going back a hundred years all I invision are conservatives controlling the money with their stiff cold upper lip and liberal dupes being sent out to pacify the great unwashed.

[Smallc]

Only after the outrage created when the then government wanted to subsidize NHL teams to the tune of millions.

Because those things are so related.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

These tax breaks were across the board. Federal bracket creep was eliminated, the limit on the first rate was increased, the next two brackets had their rates cut (from 17% to 16% and from 25% to 22%) and the highest bracket was split in two so that money that was taxed at 29% (starting at 60K) was now taxed at 26%. You had to make 100K before any money was taxed at 29%.

There were lots of other little kisses that year as I recall as well, but you needed the income to take advantage of them.

[Smallc]

There were lots of other little kisses that year as I recall as well, but you needed the income to take advantage of them.

Well yes, you do generally need income to take advantage of income tax cuts...that's kind of a given.

Edited January 7, 2010 by Smallc

[Alta4ever]

I don't equate shifting federal tax to provincial jurisdiction as a conservative fiscal policy. Conservative fiscal policy is getting rid of the tax altogether. The newest bunch of morons did that and has created a huge structural deficit that was in place even before the recession.

Total BS and you know it. You can't eliminate all taxes and conservatives know it. It is a conservative policy though to to move the tax burden of provincial government services back to the those provinces. It is not my responsibility as an Albertan to subsidize Quebecs provincial childcare, or more recently their provincial tax break.

[Alta4ever]

Because those things are so related.

In politics everything is related.

[nicky10013]

Then you have no argument and are slandering a whole group of individuals.

Then get the PM to sue me for libel. God knows he's done it before.

The point is the argument I made is completely true. Everyone knows that no cabinet member or general MP can make any statement without pre-authorization from the PMO. If it comes out of the mouth of an MP or Cabinet member, it comes straight from the top. Everything comes straight from the top. Remember Ronna Ambrose delivering her "environmental policy." Oh wait, that was Harper.

Why? Because ever since the 2004 election where a bunch of candidates ran their mouths and embarassed the party with their right wing reactionary rhetoric. He's so deathly afraid of the hidden agenda stuff coming back that he can't trust the members of his own caucus to speak independently.

This is why, after Harper is gone there is no way the party can stay together.

[nicky10013]

Total BS and you know it. You can't eliminate all taxes and conservatives know it. It is a conservative policy though to to move the tax burden of provincial government services back to the those provinces. It is not my responsibility as an Albertan to subsidize Quebecs provincial childcare, or more recently their provincial tax break.

It's your responsibility as a Canadian as it is mine. We're all Canadian before anything else. If you've got different ideas feel free to start a seperatist party.