jbg Posted November 16, 2009 Report Posted November 16, 2009 So no one will accuse me of bigotry, I post this story without editorialization of commentary other than to express my surprise and dismay that this would happen. Link and excerpts below. Suicide bomber kills 10 in Pakistan's Peshawar By Shams Mohmand (link) PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - A suicide attacker set off a car bomb at a police checkpoint in the Pakistani city of Peshawar on Saturday, killing 10 people, officials said. The city, near the Afghan border, has been bombed several times since the army began an offensive against the Taliban in South Waziristan last month. Militants have hit back by stepping up attacks on towns and cities, killing several hundred people. "The car bomber approached a barrier near the police check post and then it exploded," city official Sahibzada Anis told Reuters. Ten people were killed and more than 20 wounded, he said. Police said two of their men were among the dead. Pieces of the bomber's car littered the road. Several other vehicles were badly damaged, with one flipped onto its roof. There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blast. **************** TALIBAN CLAIM On Friday, a suicide car bomb exploded at an office of Pakistan's main intelligence agency in Peshawar, killing 17 people. The Taliban said it carried out that attack, as well as a suicide bombing at a police station in the northwestern town of Bannu on Friday, in which seven people were killed. "We will carry out similar attacks in other parts of the country," Qari Hussain Mehsud, a senior Pakistani Taliban member and a cousin of Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud, told Reuters by telephone. Hussain is known as "the mentor of suicide bombers". ************** Finance Minister Shaukat Tarin told Reuters the IMF had expressed concern about how insecurity could affect the economy. (Additional reporting by Augustine Anthony, Alamgir Bitani; Writing by Robert Birsel; editing by Mark Trevelyan) Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted November 16, 2009 Report Posted November 16, 2009 Well, as you highlighted yourself... The city, near the Afghan border, has been bombed several times since the army began an offensive against the Taliban in South Waziristan last month. Militants have hit back by stepping up attacks on towns and cities, killing several hundred people. I suppose now I'll be accused of supporting terrorists for wondering why this is should be so surprising. Are you dismayed because of the utter hoplessness of the way the war on terror is presently being fought? I know I am. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
jbg Posted November 16, 2009 Author Report Posted November 16, 2009 Are you dismayed because of the utter hoplessness of the way the war on terror is presently being fought? I know I am. Why doesn't the Taliban fight back against the U.S. or Pakistani army? Because suicide bombing against soft, unrelated targets is easier? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted November 16, 2009 Report Posted November 16, 2009 This is not very surprising. The Taliban have been in Pakistan for over a year now, possibly 2-3 years. Once driven out of Afghanistan for the most part, Pakistan was the next best place for them to take up residence. And if anyone has been paying attention, there have been quite a few bombings in Pakistan this past year. So no, this is not a surprise. I, for one, was expecting it. Quote
naomiglover Posted November 16, 2009 Report Posted November 16, 2009 Why doesn't the Taliban fight back against the U.S. or Pakistani army? Because suicide bombing against soft, unrelated targets is easier? Because they are no match for the advanced weapons that they have. Why else do you think? Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
GostHacked Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 Because they are no match for the advanced weapons that they have. Why else do you think? Not only that Terrorists for the most part, favour soft targets. Hence the whole terrorism n stuff. Quote
jbg Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Posted November 17, 2009 This is not very surprising. The Taliban have been in Pakistan for over a year now, possibly 2-3 years. Once driven out of Afghanistan for the most part, Pakistan was the next best place for them to take up residence. And if anyone has been paying attention, there have been quite a few bombings in Pakistan this past year. So no, this is not a surprise. I, for one, was expecting it. Because they are no match for the advanced weapons that they have. Why else do you think? And I guess neither of you asks why they need to kill innocent people. The fact that they don't have advanced weapons is irrelevant. They should learn to make peace and love, not war. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 And I guess neither of you asks why they need to kill innocent people. The fact that they don't have advanced weapons is irrelevant. They should learn to make peace and love, not war. Well, because they are terrorists. They are not interested in military targets. Terrorists go after soft targets. Armies go after each other and hard targets. But it seems that it was not exactly a soft target perse. It was a police checkpoint. Regardless of what it was, I am not saying I support it. I am simply offereing an explanation as to the 'why'. And really, this is Al-Queda and what is left of the Taliban hiding out in northern Pakistan. The Taliban and Al-Queda have been wanting to bring Sharia law into Pakistan for some time now. This is not really an enemy that can really be fought with conventional means. It's a guerilla war and to fight them, you might have to start acting like them. Anyways. It has been going on in Pakistan for some time, and I am surprised that people are surprised by this. What was so surprising to you about this? Was it the target? Death toll? Motivations? Quote
jbg Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Posted November 17, 2009 It has been going on in Pakistan for some time, and I am surprised that people are surprised by this. What was so surprising to you about this? Was it the target? Death toll? Motivations?My point is that the message of peace, love, negotiations etc. should apply with equal force to the bad guys as well as Westerners. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 My point is that the message of peace, love, negotiations etc. should apply with equal force to the bad guys as well as Westerners. So by that equation, if one nutjob kills himself in the name of god, peace, love and negotiations are out the window. Therefore, you are in fact anti-peaceloveandnegotiation and one of the bad guys yourself. Happy to spell it out for you. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Oleg Bach Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 Just as I suspected it has nothing to do with God. When I saw one of the Mambai culprits wounded and being interogated while on a stretcher - He made it clear..we was doing in supposedly in the name of God - but when questioned a little further he admitted it was for the money...he was exactly like an American contractor...so what's so surprising that people kill for money? All war is about profit...we must stop this diversional idea that God is envolved. Quote
jbg Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Posted November 17, 2009 Therefore, you are in fact anti-peaceloveandnegotiation and one of the bad guys yourself.Happy to spell it out for you. No. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of so-called "peace lovers". Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 No. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of so-called "peace lovers". And while doing so, pointing out your contempt for any attempt at peace. It's cute how you try to make your extremist views seem rational. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
KeyStone Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 No. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of so-called "peace lovers". It seems that the concept that you are having trouble with is that we have a double standard. We have one set of rules for terrorists/militants and another set of rules for US troops. For instance, when US troops kill children, rape teens, or throw puppies off of a cliff, we get upset. But when the Taliban do even worse things, noone particularly cares. The reason is that we do have a double standard, you are right. We expect US troops to behave more honorably than terrorists. We do not think that because the Taliban does it, it makes it Ok for the US to do it. In other words, regardless of that fanatical terrorists do, US troops have a higher standard to adhere to. Quote
Argus Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 So by that equation, if one nutjob kills himself in the name of god, peace, love and negotiations are out the window. I would say that we have nothing much to negotiate as there is an insoluable breach between what they want and what we want. The only conditions I would consider appropriate to present would be something like "every time you kill 1 of ours we will kill 1000 of yours". Worked for the Romans for quite some time. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest American Woman Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 It has been going on in Pakistan for some time, and I am surprised that people are surprised by this. What was so surprising to you about this? Was it the target? Death toll? Motivations? He was being sarcastic; taking into account the other threads he's started, I'm sure he thinks this is just 'another day, another Islamic attack,' so to speak. Quote
jbg Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Posted November 17, 2009 He was being sarcastic; taking into account the other threads he's started, I'm sure he thinks this is just 'another day, another Islamic attack,' so to speak. The shock is that there's no outrage at the loss of life, the waste of true human potential. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 The shock is that there's no outrage at the loss of life, the waste of true human potential. What do you expect, especially from those of us who were outraged and shocked years ago by the fact things would only continue to worsen? Am I supposed to believe you're finally getting outraged? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest American Woman Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 The shock is that there's no outrage at the loss of life, the waste of true human potential. If you show "shock and outrage at the loss of life, the waste of true human potential" whenever our actions result in civilian death, I've missed it. Regardless of the intent, the "loss of life, the waste of true human potential" remains the same. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 What do you expect, especially from those of us who were outraged and shocked years ago by the fact things would only continue to worsen? Am I supposed to believe you're finally getting outraged? I have nothing to support this, but my general feeling is that people are at least paying closer attention to what is happening in Pakistan. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
jbg Posted November 18, 2009 Author Report Posted November 18, 2009 If you show "shock and outrage at the loss of life, the waste of true human potential" whenever our actions result in civilian death, I've missed it. Regardless of the intent, the "loss of life, the waste of true human potential" remains the same. AW, I have problems with the double standards of many posters. Not you, but many others. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 I have nothing to support this, but my general feeling is that people are at least paying closer attention to what is happening in Pakistan. Well yeah...now that the train has left the tracks and is airborn. That should get anyone's attention. You have to wonder why so many ignored the gaping hole in the tracks that other people were pointing out years ago. Not surprisingly there's another one in Saudi Arabia. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Michael Hardner Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 Well yeah...now that the train has left the tracks and is airborn. That should get anyone's attention. You have to wonder why so many ignored the gaping hole in the tracks that other people were pointing out years ago. Not surprisingly there's another one in Saudi Arabia. Do you mean, before 9/11 ? I imagine they didn't think it was relevant then. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
wulf42 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) Why doesn't the Taliban fight back against the U.S. or Pakistani army? Because suicide bombing against soft, unrelated targets is easier? Bingo........because they are filthy cowards....go and fight the U.S.A or Pakistani Army head on and in uniform and respect prisoners rights maybe then i would have an tiny bit of respect for the Taliban, but no they like to kill innocent bystanders which is why i believe these animals should never be taken alive! Edited November 18, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
GostHacked Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 Bingo........because they are filthy cowards....go and fight the U.S.A or Pakistani Army head on and in uniform and respect prisoners rights maybe then i would have an tiny bit of respect for the Taliban, but no they like to kill innocent bystanders which is why i believe these animals should never be taken alive! Respect prisoners? Memory seems short Wulf. Americans had Abu-Garib in Iraq. We all recall that one don't we? And now we in Canada have our own Abu-Garib it seems http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/11/17/canada-afghan-prisoner017.html The testimony of a Canadian diplomat before a parliamentary committee Wednesday is likely to provide disturbing information about the government's handling of Afghan detainees, CBC News has learned.The testimony of diplomat Richard Colvin is expected to provide details of what sources describe as an "unusual system" that saw Afghan detainees transferred to Afghan prisons, with little care about the conditions there. This seems to be the part that reminded me of Abu-Garib The report said one detainee claimed to have been beaten with cables and wires and given electric shock. It said another detainee also claimed he was beaten, and forced to stand for two days during interrogation. Quote
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