JB Globe Posted November 7, 2009 Report Posted November 7, 2009 (edited) I brought up a case where an 18 year old boy was beaten within a quarter inch of his life while his black aggressors (all 10 to 15 of them) while screaming racial epithets at him... the event elicited only minor local news outrage, and didn't get anything like the star billing WE ALL KNOW this would have had if the races had merely been inverted. I remember that post, you posted a video from a French news channel on the incident, then you wouldn't post any other links to any stories so that we could verify that what you said about the incident was true (because not everyone went to Immersion and can understand French). I considered that pretty evasive. And considering how you much you were in denial about the basic facts of the case of other hate crimes which were white on non-white, I refused to take your word for it on the Montreal case, I demanded an objective source (in English), which you refused to provide . . . Again, my offer stands, if you can provide objective information from a news source that backs up your claims, I'll agree with you that this incident is a hate crime. The courtenay BC "hatercime" was far less worse... and had even less evidence of racial bias in it... yet it was shown on every major newservice in Canada... Apparently it had enough racial bias for police to charge the perps with a hate crime <- This is what I'm talking about, you already decided that it wasn't a hate crime early on in that post, then when the police said it was, you start waxing bad-poetry about some sort of PC conspiracy that forces police to charge white people with hate crimes when they're just normal assaults . . . Even though witnesses told police and media the perps were spewing racial slurs at the guy, and cruising around town looking for someone non-white to beat up. So if your (yet to be proven) Montreal hatecrime is a hatecrime because a gang of people of one ethnicity hurled slurs at someone at another ethnicity and beat them up - why isn't the BC case a hatecrime as well? Why do you use the quotation marks? The only reason I can see is that because in this case the perps are white, and you have a habit of making heroes of white people in any incident and making villains out of non-whites, case in point: In another thread for instance there was endless yammering about a black criminal who was manhandled and left with tiny injuries by 3 white youths... in BC... everyone said the attack was definitely racist, and deserved exemplary punishment... and attacked everyone who didn't agree... The guy wasn't a criminal - you just labeled him that because in your mind all/most black people are criminals. With this kind of prejudice, why am I, someone who approaches stories as objectively as possible, supposed to give any serious thought to your take on things? PS - I tend to stay away from comparing American issues of race vs. Canadian issues, because when it comes to demographics and race-relations, we're drastically different countries. Edited November 7, 2009 by JB Globe Quote
M.Dancer Posted November 7, 2009 Report Posted November 7, 2009 I remember that post, you posted a video from a French news channel on the incident, then you wouldn't post any other links to any stories so that we could verify that what you said about the incident was true (because not everyone went to Immersion and can understand French). Shame you didn't see my follow ups....the so called racial incident was in fact, multi racial. It was an incident between two high schools...one anglo, one france...the franco girls were black and white. I posted a few different news sites both french and english which confirmed it. My pantsing record with lictir is 100% Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Posted November 7, 2009 I'm still waiting forn you to correct you slander agianst the chap who was set upon by the white hooligans. Where is your evidence that he is a criminal. If I was to analyze your posts, what percentage would you say is plagiarized? 30% 25% 20%? My guess is 22% Which chap was that? link? The evidence Phillips told The Province he would not trade the experience of being attacked because he has turned it into a positive. Again do you think that the Courtenay BC "hatecrime" would have resulted in the same reaction if the attackers where black and the victim white apparently the city is making a hero out of this mediocrity of a landscaper without a car (DUI) "It's been a whirlwind — I've been asked to teach a Grade 7 class about my experience and I've even been asked to run for council," he said. "It's been beyond my wildest dreams." http://www.theprovince.com/news/Victim+Phillips+happy+three+Courtenay+charged+with+assault/1779344/story.html again do you think they'd trot out a WHITE victim of a hate crime? of course not... and we know WHY THIS IS HAPPENING: quite simply because in this country BLACK IS THE NEW UPPER CLASS... and white has become a second class citizen. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Posted November 7, 2009 Shame you didn't see my follow ups....the so called racial incident was in fact, multi racial. It was an incident between two high schools...one anglo, one france...the franco girls were black and white. I posted a few different news sites both french and english which confirmed it. My pantsing record with lictir is 100% woah woah woah.... thats an absolute LIE: the parc carignan aggression was 100% black on white... it was a troop of enraged animals attacking a defenseless white little girl... ghead and watch it again of course, again since the victim is only a profane little white girl... the media issued only a minor local report on it... and never EVER mentioned the word HATE CRIME... and of course the city complied: "We have to remember this is an isolated case involving only a few individuals," Anthony Bernardelli, who heads the school board responsible for Henri Bourassa, told reporters yesterday. an "isolated" case.. yeah don't worry... who cares... The black assaulters also then took their aggression and vandalized the girl's school.... breaking windows and spraypainting anti-white biggotry on the walls... again invert the races in this case and there would be a world of difference: the media would be apoplectic.. there would be nationwide coverage, there would be human rights council investigations, sensitivity campaigns in the schools, a statue of the girl in the parc as a reminder... there would be a committee on hatecrime assembled... you KNOW that's precisely the way it works... and that's the way it ALWAYS works: black good, white bad... that's the essence of the message. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
JB Globe Posted November 8, 2009 Report Posted November 8, 2009 Still waiting for lictor to post an English news source for the "Montreal Hate Crime" so that we can verify your claims about it . . . I mean, you've had a few months now to do so - it doesn't take that long to Google. Still waiting for lictor to explain why the victim in the BC hate crime is a "criminal" . . . ^^^^^^^^ THIS Is why no one takes you seriously. We all just assume that when you reference an incident and refuse to post an (English) link about it, that you're just completely misrepresenting it in order to make it fit into your prejudiced "white people are good, everyone else is evil" worldview. But what do I know? I'm not a prophet like you are. I just live in Toronto and have never experienced any of this "reverse racism" that you claim is rampant and tearing the country apart . . . Where do you live exactly that this is such an issue anyways? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted November 8, 2009 Report Posted November 8, 2009 All those horrible horrible names accurately address the points you've made... When I think of you I think of you as black - even if you are white..does that make me a bad person? Quote
lictor616 Posted November 8, 2009 Author Report Posted November 8, 2009 Still waiting for lictor to post an English news source for the "Montreal Hate Crime" so that we can verify your claims about it . . . I mean, you've had a few months now to do so - it doesn't take that long to Google. Still waiting for lictor to explain why the victim in the BC hate crime is a "criminal" . . . ^^^^^^^^ THIS Is why no one takes you seriously. We all just assume that when you reference an incident and refuse to post an (English) link about it, that you're just completely misrepresenting it in order to make it fit into your prejudiced "white people are good, everyone else is evil" worldview. But what do I know? I'm not a prophet like you are. I just live in Toronto and have never experienced any of this "reverse racism" that you claim is rampant and tearing the country apart . . . Where do you live exactly that this is such an issue anyways? the fact that there ISN'T AN ENGLISH NEWS SOURCE... AND THAT THE CARIGNAN ACGRESSION WAS GIVEN ZERO MEDIA ATTENTION OUTSIDE LOCAL NEWS IS EXACTLY THE ISSUE AT HAND.... THE DOUBLE STANDARDS IN CHOOSING WHAT CRIME IS WORTHY OF COVERAGE AND WHICH ISNT... the relatively harmless assault of a hardened black 38 year old male by 3 whites (which wasn't even shown to be racially motivated) gets start billing in the news... the black male victim is made a hero, and is now trotted around to talk to kids about "raycissum"... again invert the races: a 14 year old little white girl, assaulted by a mob of 10 or so grinning blacks while they scream anti-white bigotry at her, and scrawl anti-white slogans on her school and the media FREAKING IGNORES IT! Not even an english cbc report is issued! The little girl.s welfare is completely ignored, and we actually hear sympathy for the attackers! again this is pretty obvious evidence of a biased news model... that deliberately seeks out and aggravates white-on black assaults, but completely ignores black on white assaults (which are more numerous and often more serious)... the difference is along racial lines... again... how can one deny this? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Oleg Bach Posted November 8, 2009 Report Posted November 8, 2009 This stuff about forcing us all to belong to one huge family smells of some sort of modernist socialism at it's worse .... frankly I don't wanna be part of the blended racial family - unless our family breeds with their family and they are of very fine stock - and the woman are hot and intelligent - but that would be considered racial supermecey - where the best of all races breed together and thrive _ I just don't care for the idea of breeding down..breeding up up is fine. As for Lector - well even if the Queen of the Nile who was a great beauty, attempted to intice him to her bed - he would run the other way - because she was blackish - BUT he would not have a problem having children with super white trash. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted November 8, 2009 Report Posted November 8, 2009 Oleg Bach is black. I finally admit it - I am also Muslim, Jewish and a very orthodox Christian..and I am working on becoming gay - it's not working out for me though..makes me wonder - in all seriousness - as I evolved and learned and became more enlightened - I really beieved the rest of the world was doing the same thing - apparently not - I guess I am not Jesus the Christ after all - just another failed and miserable guy...with a dated messiah complex...oh well - the world was not worth saving anyway - Now were did I put that cheap sherry - How I wish Sherry was a cheap woman. Quote
kimmy Posted November 9, 2009 Report Posted November 9, 2009 Cool story, bro. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
M.Dancer Posted November 9, 2009 Report Posted November 9, 2009 woah woah woah.... thats an absolute LIE: the parc carignan aggression was 100% black on white... The links are in the original thread. You were pantsed there and you are simply repeating your BS again. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted November 9, 2009 Report Posted November 9, 2009 (edited) http://www.theprovince.com/news/Victim+Phillips+happy+three+Courtenay+charged+with+assault/1779344/story.html Oh I get it now...he's a landscapper....which is PC for criminal? Caught in another lie lector? Edited November 9, 2009 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Posted November 9, 2009 (edited) The links are in the original thread. You were pantsed there and you are simply repeating your BS again. I wasn't pantsed in the original thread... and you still haven't explained why the media selectively blows up and deliberately seeks out white on black crimes (however minor) while ignoring far more egregious "black on white" crimes... and please... the VIDEO I QUOTE SHOWS BLACKS laughing and amusing themselves tremendously while kicking and stomping a little 14 year old white girl, as they yell creole and french racist obscenities at her... all 10 or so of them... I really fail to see how YOU could fail to see the double standard here... oh wait I can... your biased and accept the anti-white slant in the way news items are portrayed... we've already established that many times. Edited November 9, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Posted November 9, 2009 http://www.theprovince.com/news/Victim+Phillips+happy+three+Courtenay+charged+with+assault/1779344/story.html Oh I get it now...he's a landscapper....which is PC for criminal? Caught in another lie lector? remember how he couldn't drive because of a suspended licence? yup, the guy is an ex failed drug dealer, and he's the dude parading BC schools to talk to kids about "da bad guys"... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted November 9, 2009 Report Posted November 9, 2009 remember how he couldn't drive because of a suspended licence? yup, the guy is an ex failed drug dealer, and he's the dude parading BC schools to talk to kids about "da bad guys"... No I don't remember. I remember that any statement of fact from you should be treated as a bio hazard. I doubt a citation is forthcoming, you prefer the drive by fibbing... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted November 9, 2009 Report Posted November 9, 2009 A bit of advice. Before you say anything to anyone in our present society, you had better have a good judgemental eye for people - You must be able to sum up the level of intelligence within the person you are about to comment too. If the person is bright and a free and confident person..you can say anything you want - IF the person is a conditioned dummie and has fallen into the pit of political correctness - You should be able to see that and not toss your pearls of truth to the swine - or they will get real upset with you - cos's they are dumb dogs..so use your common sense and don't open up and be honest to those that are delluded and dishonest - In other words always lie to the liars. Quote
JB Globe Posted November 10, 2009 Report Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) the fact that there ISN'T AN ENGLISH NEWS SOURCE... AND THAT THE CARIGNAN ACGRESSION WAS GIVEN ZERO MEDIA ATTENTION OUTSIDE LOCAL NEWS IS EXACTLY THE ISSUE AT HAND.... Give me some keywords to search with, I'll try and dig up something . . . ie - The neighbourhood where it happened, the actual crime police charged someone with, etc. Even you have to admit you wouldn't accept your own claims if you were sitting in my position. "Trust me on this!" just doesn't cut it on the internet. the relatively harmless assault of a hardened black 38 year old male by 3 whites (which wasn't even shown to be racially motivated) POLICE SAY THE CRIME WAS RACIALLY MOTIVATED. What makes you say is isn't? What do you know that they don't know? Or is this simply a case of you thinking if you repeat something often enough it becomes true? Still waiting to hear a retraction or an explanation as to why you called the guy a criminal. . . . And you wonder why I say you're evasive? Edited November 10, 2009 by JB Globe Quote
kimmy Posted November 10, 2009 Report Posted November 10, 2009 Give me some keywords to search with, I'll try and dig up something . . . ie - The neighbourhood where it happened, the actual crime police charged someone with, etc. Even you have to admit you wouldn't accept your own claims if you were sitting in my position. "Trust me on this!" just doesn't cut it on the internet. Regarding the Montreal school fight, Morris found the following articles the last time this was argued over: http://www.cjad.com/news/565/607842 http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=e973ca01-4451-4af2-9eb4-6b065ee61251 Regarding the attack on the white 18 year old by 10-15 blacks, which Lictor mentioned earlier: http://www.examiner.com/x-5919-Norfolk-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d3-Why-has-the-press-ignored-hate-crime-against-a-white-teenager The Montreal school incident is hard to argue as a hate crime when the victim herself concedes that she used the "n-word" as a racial epithet (she probably should have read "10 things never to say to a black coworker.") The incident in Buffalo, on the other hand, does illustrate the point Lictor hopes to make: a horrifically vicious hate attack with a white victim, and completely ignored outside of local Buffalo news outlets. POLICE SAY THE CRIME WAS RACIALLY MOTIVATED. What makes you say is isn't? What do you know that they don't know? *have* the police up front declared this a hate crime? Seems a little odd to me to attribute the attack to racial hatred, when the same 3 guys apparently beat up a white teenager just a couple of hours later. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Michael Hardner Posted November 10, 2009 Report Posted November 10, 2009 Kimmy, The incident in Buffalo, on the other hand, does illustrate the point Lictor hopes to make: a horrifically vicious hate attack with a white victim, and completely ignored outside of local Buffalo news outlets. I don't doubt that this happens, but Lictor's way of presenting these things is fraught with mistakes. You can present such things as facts, without the 'media conspiracy' baggage that the Michigan Militia types can't let go of. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
kimmy Posted November 10, 2009 Report Posted November 10, 2009 I don't doubt that this happens, but Lictor's way of presenting these things is fraught with mistakes. You can present such things as facts, without the 'media conspiracy' baggage that the Michigan Militia types can't let go of. Obviously, just about everything Lictor writes is ridiculous hyperbole... the opening post of this thread being Exhibit A. But as far as the double standard regarding reportage of violence by whites vs violence by non-whites, he's right on the money. Had the Buffalo NY incident involved a mob of whites beating a black boy near to death for dating a white girl, it would be a news story of monster proportions. You know and I know (and Morris and JB Globe know too but won't admit it). "Media conspiracy" might not be an accurate description, but media outlets make conscious decisions about what stories to carry, and when all the media outlets make the same choices, what would be a better word for it? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Michael Hardner Posted November 10, 2009 Report Posted November 10, 2009 How about "Media Failure" ? It's important to keep in mind that the media generally is not charged with keeping the level of accuracy that, say, an academic paper would be expected to have. Moreover, when we're speaking of hot button issues, and determining what to report on - there's absolutely no expectation of fairness, except in the naive. When you also take into account that the media is about getting attention, then you have a recipe for information failure pure and simple. This particular bias may be related to the media' interest in shocking people, for example. Media failure, though, is understandable and even excusable when you look at the framework that we have developed for disbursing information through society. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
M.Dancer Posted November 10, 2009 Report Posted November 10, 2009 Regarding the Montreal school fight, Morris found the following articles the last time this was argued over: Well done..the new search engine has me stymied. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shwa Posted November 10, 2009 Report Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) "double standard" + "be a news story of monster proportions" And why is that exactly? Is it a case of dog bites man versus man bites dog as the test of news worthiness? Or is it something to do with proportions of population and the recent history of black folk in America? If I recall correctly, the LA Riots of 1992 was a story of "monster proportions." Do you remember those riots and the monster proportional news that preceeded them? You say there is a double standard, but don't bother with the reasons - if such a standard actually exists - why that is. Surely you are not accepting things at face value? Edited November 10, 2009 by Shwa Quote
lictor616 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Posted November 10, 2009 "double standard" + "be a news story of monster proportions" And why is that exactly? Is it a case of dog bites man versus man bites dog as the test of news worthiness? Or is it something to do with proportions of population and the recent history of black folk in America? If I recall correctly, the LA Riots of 1992 was a story of "monster proportions." Do you remember those riots and the monster proportional news that preceeded them? You say there is a double standard, but don't bother with the reasons - if such a standard actually exists - why that is. Surely you are not accepting things at face value? well that's very much apples and oranges, the LA riot (which was btw fueled by the incessant coverage of the eminently ordinary Rodney King story who was spread and aggravated by liberal prostitutes who control the news services in the US) involved tens of thousnads of people... there were deaths, injuries and million inproperty damage... the media could not have possibly ignored it without loosing all creditability... The media will ignore as much non-white on white crime as possible, we know this just by looking at the facts: 90% of violent interracial crime in the US is black vs white... yet reading american newspapers or news channels would not confirm this... http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/ovracetab.htm Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Shwa Posted November 10, 2009 Report Posted November 10, 2009 "90% of violent interracial crime in the US is black vs white" Which can also be stated as 90% of interracial crime in the US is white vs black. Which accounts for some 12% of homicides overall; that is nothing compared to the 44.6% white on white or 42.2% black on black homicide (2005) as listed in your link. Almost 87% of homicides were intra-racial. What is your point again? So you didn't answer my question, nor attempt to build any sort of rational base for citing a "double standard," nor did you expand on the LA Riots in a coherent way. You lose 3 points. Here is an interesting story from the Ottawa Sun: http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2009/11/09/11687281.html Quote
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