Councillor says Gays have 'Achieved Equality' in Toronto

[Michael Hardner]

Unfortunately I can't provide a link, as this comment was made by Kyle Rae this morning on CBC's Metro Morning with Andy Barrie.

My question is - do you agree with him ? I think it may be true in Toronto, but certainly not everywhere in Ontario.

I do appreciate the fact that Mr. Rae is celebrating the success of a social movement - saying how far we have come rather than how much farther we have to go. It seems to me that we actually don't have very much farther to go at all.

[Wild Bill]

Unfortunately I can't provide a link, as this comment was made by Kyle Rae this morning on CBC's Metro Morning with Andy Barrie.

My question is - do you agree with him ? I think it may be true in Toronto, but certainly not everywhere in Ontario.

I do appreciate the fact that Mr. Rae is celebrating the success of a social movement - saying how far we have come rather than how much farther we have to go. It seems to me that we actually don't have very much farther to go at all.

I can only speak from my own experience living in Hamilton, Ontario. My work used to take me all over southern Ontario and I found it no different.

Basically, I never met anyone who gave a damn about someone being gay! I ran across people who objected to some of the more extreme aspects of gayness, like lewdness in pride parades or using being gay as a defense when an individual was incompetent or hard to get along with.

My only beef is with someone using his or her gayness as a reason for the rest of us to have to give them special treatment. We ALL have differences and we've ALL experienced problems! What makes gays so special?

Actually, I'm starting to agree with an old quote from someone who's name I can't recall: "The love that dared not speak its name is now the love that just won't shut up!"

[Michael Hardner]

Well, WB, equality implies no special treatment, it can be argued...

[Wild Bill]

Well, WB, equality implies no special treatment, it can be argued...

Exactly! If you think about it, special treatment as to race, creed or sexual preferences is inherently patronizing.

Prejudice is wrong whether it is positive OR negative! It is simply not logical. Affirmative action is really reverse discrimination. Such approaches only end up shifting discrimination towards nontraditional targets. They attempt to redress injustice against groups in the past by screwing specific and innocent individuals today!

[Thomas Kwon]

Well, WB, equality implies no special treatment, it can be argued...

So are you implying groups supported by AA, such as African-Americans, are inferior to others?

[lictor616]

Well, WB, equality implies no special treatment, it can be argued...

this obvious truism will unfortunately impose on no leftist egalitarian...

[Michael Hardner]

WB

Exactly! If you think about it, special treatment as to race, creed or sexual preferences is inherently patronizing.

Prejudice is wrong whether it is positive OR negative! It is simply not logical. Affirmative action is really reverse discrimination. Such approaches only end up shifting discrimination towards nontraditional targets. They attempt to redress injustice against groups in the past by screwing specific and innocent individuals today!

Ok, then how do you resolve this with Rae's statement ?

[Michael Hardner]

T Kwan

So are you implying groups supported by AA, such as African-Americans, are inferior to others?

Of course not, where would you get that assertion ?

[Oleg Bach]

The may have achieved equal rights under civil law. They might have achieved equality in the form of human rights as to protection and security of the person...but they have not achieved equality in regards to me - I will always be a superiour being compared to the non-breeding so-called happy crowd of gathered gayness. I try to be tolerant. I try to be kind - I try to be loving but I do not try to be non-discriminatory.

I have the basic human right to discriminate (judge) what is good for me and what is not.. also while I am in the mood - I still have not met a gay that could be fully trusted or had the concept of honour embraced fully. Sold a painting to a gay couple recently - and the drunkards ripped me off. I counted the cash later and they shorted me...so what's that - I guess they are equally crooked along with the corrupt and loathsome straights.

Frankly no one on this planet is equal - don't tell me that I am equal in value to the bruned out and filthy crack head that begs on the street for a fix of dope. AND don't tell me I am equal to my former wife - who is the daugher of third generational law enforcement types - she's a crook and a liar - so that makes her inferiour - and as far as gay day international that is to take place in Toronto - that will generate "millions" - I can do with out the money thank you.

[Michael Hardner]

Oleg,

I will always be a superiour being compared to the non-breeding so-called happy crowd of gathered gayness. laugh.gif I try to be tolerant.

This is what I see when I read your posts. A contradiction - straight away.

And your spelling is most definitely inferior.

Edited October 21, 2009 by Michael Hardner

[Wild Bill]

WB

Ok, then how do you resolve this with Rae's statement ?

I don't! I've followed Kyle Rae's career for years and I've never found him to be very logical. Passionate for his causes, yes. Logical, no.

I think Rae believes equality to be special treatment, preferably with lots of public money for his pet causes. He's just another socialist with an agenda.

I couldn't care less about Rae being gay. I just worry about my wallet if he's around!

[Thomas Kwon]

T Kwan

Of course not, where would you get that assertion ?

T Kwon**

You said equality = no special treatment.

Yet, certain groups DO receive special treatment, e.g., Affirmative Action.

By your logic, these groups must not be equal to the average white male who receive no such benefits.

[Oleg Bach]

No human being should be abused. No group should be set above the other in order to abuse those that are weaker. If the non breeding gays get to much power - they will make sure the rest of society disrespects straight people. For instance - gay marriage signaled the end of marriage. It no longer exists. People did not fully understand that the redefinition of sex itself was the begining of a nasty type of utilitarianism. There seems to be a war being waged on the individual and the nuclear family. Those that say it does not effect you are fools - it may not effect you but your children will be effected..as will your grandchildren if they are lucky enough to avoid the on slaught and be born..The gay thing is social engineering ....I like being a man - I don't want to be a thing.

[Michael Hardner]

TKwon

T Kwon**

You said equality = no special treatment.

Yet, certain groups DO receive special treatment, e.g., Affirmative Action.

By your logic, these groups must not be equal to the average white male who receive no such benefits.

Unequal doesn't mean inferior.

[Topaz]

Hey guys, here's a thought treat ALL people with respect, like human beings, as Canadians with our rights and don't sweat the small stuff.

[msdogfood]

Hey guys, here's a thought treat ALL people with respect, like human beings, as Canadians with our rights and don't sweat the small stuff.

GOOD!!!

[Oleg Bach]

Hey guys, here's a thought treat ALL people with respect, like human beings, as Canadians with our rights and don't sweat the small stuff.

For instance IF Smitherman the he man gay guy in Toronto is going to run for mayor..he will need the support of straight people to keep him on the straight and narrow so as he does not tilt to far to the gay left and by doing so further disenfranchise the family unit. There is already a great disrespect and dismantling of traditional families with our family law system..we would not want to further deteriorte what is the building blocks of society...straight people! Sure someone is going to say that gay families are the building blocks also - BUT we don't know that yet if they are truely exceptable..not enough time has passed to show that this type of so-called equality is relevant and socially benefical yet.

[William Ashley]

It really doesn't matter it is one of them black and white issues.

Gay people are the same as straight peoples except what they do to get off and what turns them on.

You could say the same for pedos.

Fact is sex is dirty and there are mental elements involved, the consent issue is where the law these days is at.

Its sad that race can be as political as sex, I would hope that these rights and self belief issues would be in the backdrop so people could address real issues, but I guess it ain't about making a better place for people to live, its about selfishness and protectionism in a world of limitation abandoned by god - except for the people with money able to buy their liberty.

Anti Gay, and Anti Race or Anti Straight for that matter, Anti Man anti woman.. are all unconstitutional so can we get over it, isn't the constitution there for a reason? If you don't like it leave Canada and save Lawful Canadians the trouble of conflict and hate.

When will we have courts that protect the constitution and politicians who don't override it.

What people need to realize is not all striaght people have sex for procreation so what does it really matter if it is all about a feeling and psychological element for people.

blah blah blah...

Edited January 8, 2010 by William Ashley

[Rue]

It really doesn't matter it is one of them black and white issues.

Gay people are the same as straight peoples except what they do to get off and what turns them on.

You could say the same for pedos.

Fact is sex is dirty and there are mental elements involved, the consent issue is where the law these days is at.

Its sad that race can be as political as sex, I would hope that these rights and self belief issues would be in the backdrop so people could address real issues, but I guess it ain't about making a better place for people to live, its about selfishness and protectionism in a world of limitation abandoned by god - except for the people with money able to buy their liberty.

Anti Gay, and Anti Race or Anti Straight for that matter, Anti Man anti woman.. are all unconstitutional so can we get over it, isn't the constitution there for a reason? If you don't like it leave Canada and save Lawful Canadians the trouble of conflict and hate.

When will we have courts that protect the constitution and politicians who don't override it.

What people need to realize is not all striaght people have sex for procreation so what does it really matter if it is all about a feeling and psychological element for people.

blah blah blah...

William did I remind you not to eat anyone today please? That said. In your own way you make a long of sxentence and I agree with you except for the comment that sex is dirty.

Sex can be dirty. It depends on whether you practice good hygiene or not.

Before I was married I had sex with clean people. One time a woman with dirty finger nails did try to kiss me but I told her it just was not to be. That is why Lindsay Lohan and I are not an item.

Edited January 9, 2010 by Rue

[Oleg Bach]

You want a for sure win in the upcoming Toronto mayoral race? Lets use the Obama principle to get a mayor elected...the principle of political correctness - Smitherman the openly gay top guy - and I mean he is not the squealing pillow bighter . cos' he sure reminds of one of those gay by choice fellows...Anyway he would win for sure just like Obama won on the fact that he was darkish in tone. There are enough politically correct emotional dogooders to cause a land slide victory for Smitherman. I don't have a problem with him anymore than I had with Miller - Miller did what he was told by the powers that be - and so will Smitherman - Just glad that hyper active little demon John Tory is not running - He is a political machine on right wing auto pilot - right or wrong he always goes right without question.

[Oleg Bach]

I have noticed that my posts by some policy regarding a percieved bit of gay bashing seem to be preserved longer than neccesary here at MLW. I guess what I was trying to get across was that the liberal Toronto mind will out of sheer blind loyality vote gay. They believe that if they vote gay they are advancing civil rights in some sort of odd way..Like voting for Obama was supposed to advance black rights - I see no advancement in general civil or human rights by these electoral acts. In fact the black dialect comment shows clearly that the establishement looks at blacks as inferiours...but is willing to USE those inferiours in a ruse. Toronto will use the gays the same way. I know of one gay buisnessman who runs a communication empire in Europe and also as a hobby runs a nice coffee franchise in Toronto..well He dispises the gay thing..he dispises the way they are used - and intelligent gay men really want no part of some Councillor who talkes about achieving equality..because there is no such thing as equal and my gay accociate knows this..He is not loyal to anyone - gay or not.

[William Ashley]

I have noticed that my posts by some policy regarding a percieved bit of gay bashing seem to be preserved longer than neccesary here at MLW. I guess what I was trying to get across was that the liberal Toronto mind will out of sheer blind loyality vote gay. They believe that if they vote gay they are advancing civil rights in some sort of odd way..Like voting for Obama was supposed to advance black rights - I see no advancement in general civil or human rights by these electoral acts. In fact the black dialect comment shows clearly that the establishement looks at blacks as inferiours...but is willing to USE those inferiours in a ruse. Toronto will use the gays the same way. I know of one gay buisnessman who runs a communication empire in Europe and also as a hobby runs a nice coffee franchise in Toronto..well He dispises the gay thing..he dispises the way they are used - and intelligent gay men really want no part of some Councillor who talkes about achieving equality..because there is no such thing as equal and my gay accociate knows this..He is not loyal to anyone - gay or not.

Ah, well gay people are people too and gay. Although I think they prefer the term "queer" at least they did a few years ago. It defends against the slurring I think. Anywho you could say god also made the but to fit a penis for a reason too, perhaps with overpopulation in mind? Maybe. Anyway.. There is no doubt that Smitherman will attract or be attracted to the gay voting block in Toronto. Gay headquarters is only a few blocks away from the Legislature!!

Sodomy was a crime up to more recently but you might think it was illegal for other reasons also, like how some people don't like things put up their but. None the less once again, it ain't only gays that practice sodomy, so I'm at a loss on the anti gayness stuff again. Point was.. will a right winger actually enter the race?

and will a smitherman mayorial = tax hikes (pun intended)

Edited January 11, 2010 by William Ashley

[Oleg Bach]

Ah, well gay people are people too and gay. Although I think they prefer the term "queer" at least they did a few years ago. It defends against the slurring I think. Anywho you could say god also made the but to fit a penis for a reason too, perhaps with overpopulation in mind? Maybe. Anyway.. There is no doubt that Smitherman will attract or be attracted to the gay voting block in Toronto. Gay headquarters is only a few blocks away from the Legislature!!

Sodomy was a crime up to more recently but you might think it was illegal for other reasons also, like how some people don't like things put up their but. None the less once again, it ain't only gays that practice sodomy, so I'm at a loss on the anti gayness stuff again. Point was.. will a right winger actually enter the race?

and will a smitherman mayorial = tax hikes (pun intended)

Hope you don't get an infection there buddy - It might be an insult to the wife if you start to experiment a little to wildly...once a philosopher twice a pervert as they say. The only right wingers we have are extremist with little imagination - John Tory as I mentioned pulls the party line no matter what's attatched to it - He is old and still quick but inflexable as far as the changing times. BUT it does not matter...Look at Mayor Miller who we assumed was a lefty - what lawyer is a lefty when all his bosses are right wing?

[Mr.Canada]

Unfortunately I can't provide a link, as this comment was made by Kyle Rae this morning on CBC's Metro Morning with Andy Barrie.

My question is - do you agree with him ? I think it may be true in Toronto, but certainly not everywhere in Ontario.

I do appreciate the fact that Mr. Rae is celebrating the success of a social movement - saying how far we have come rather than how much farther we have to go. It seems to me that we actually don't have very much farther to go at all.

Gays don't want equal rights they want special rights. They have equal rights now, yes but it's never enough. They always want more and more and more. They want more rights then we normal people have.

Same as the socialists, it's never enough for them either. We give in a little and they want more. Thankfully we live in an area where I encounter niether of these problems on a daily basis, everyone is normal.

I want to live in a world where men are men are women are women. Not a place like Toronto where men can be women. I find the thought of a man sticking his penis into the rectum(the anus, where poop comes out) of another hairy man to be revolting and quite disgusting so I choose to not surround myself with that. But hey to each their own honestly, I just don't want it near me.

We don't need it shoved into our faces during their "parade" which is a voyeur festival with people performing live sex acts on our streets. This parade which is funded by our tax dollars I might add. They call it a day for families. however I find that anyone who would take their children to the parade to be guilty of child abuse. Children don't need to see naked women and naked men. People get locked up for that.

[Mr.Canada]

Hope you don't get an infection there buddy - It might be an insult to the wife if you start to experiment a little to wildly...once a philosopher twice a pervert as they say. The only right wingers we have are extremist with little imagination - John Tory as I mentioned pulls the party line no matter what's attatched to it - He is old and still quick but inflexable as far as the changing times. BUT it does not matter...Look at Mayor Miller who we assumed was a lefty - what lawyer is a lefty when all his bosses are right wing?

John Tory is very progressive and he wanted equal funding for all religious schools but you all said no. So it's all of you who are intolerant of others. You like the way it is now is what it means. School funding for Public and Catholic schools only.