Bin Laden demands

[naomiglover]

If you are here to find a boyfriend or to hear someone say "oh what a new and enlightening viewpoint you have naomiglover" you have come to the wrong place.

I am here to discuss politics. I'm not here to be called braindead or to participate in internet flaming.

[M.Dancer]

I'm not here to be called braindead

I didn't call you braindead.

or to participate in internet flaming.

Then don't.

See?

It's that simple.

Almost as sinple as Eyeball's point of view on the subject of moral equivelency.

[naomiglover]

I didn't call you braindead.

Sure you didn't.

Then don't.

See?

It's that simple.

Almost as sinple as Eyeball's point of view on the subject of moral equivelency.

So you're here to call people names and engage in flame wars?

PS - One injustice does not excuse another injustice is quite simple. This is according to the law.

[Guest American Woman]

- One injustice does not excuse another injustice is quite simple. This is according to the law.

Yet the law does "compare" injustices, and doesn't treat them the same, as I already noted here.

[Sir Bandelot]

Hint- when MDancer knows he cannot really defend his position, he goes for the nasty. A pathetic attempt at winning his baseless arguments... and also very boring

[naomiglover]

Yet the law does "compare" injustices, and doesn't treat them the same, as I already noted here.

But does it "excuse" another?

[M.Dancer]

Sure you didn't.

If you can show where I called you braindead please do. Otherwise stick to the topic.

So you're here to call people names and engage in flame wars?

You seem intent on getting one going

PS - One injustice does not excuse another injustice is quite simple. This is according to the law.

No one is saying there are two injustices except you.

[naomiglover]

If you can show where I called you braindead please do. Otherwise stick to the topic.

Me: I didn't see Eyeball give any slack to terrorists. He simply said one injustice does not cancel another. He's right.

You: Except you have to be brain damaged to see it that way.

You don't deserve any more attention. Take care.

[Guest American Woman]

But does it "excuse" another?

Whether it "excuses" it or not isn't the question I was responding to. You had asked: Why the need to compare? -- and my answer is because in the eyes of the law, there is a difference when "intent" is different. The fact that there are different charges and different penalties proves it. One could also say, while not "excusing" an accidental death, it's a different moral issue; in the eyes of the law, it's a 'lesser' crime. Surely you would not see an accidental hunting death the same as you would the Manson murders. So when one simply says "one injustice does not excuse another," there's a strong implication that both "injustices" are being viewed equally, with no regard to the difference in intent. There is no comparison between "accidental" and "planned and deliberate," yet one is being made by the statement "one injustice does not excuse another."

Bin Laden has no grounds for his "demands." The U.S. did not hurt him and he has no more regard for "Muslims" than the Taliban does. He's interested in his extremist view of his religion, and fanatics like him and the Taliban will just as easily inflict harm on other Muslims who don't do their bidding as they would western 'infidels.'

For anyone to give him any regard, to imply that he has a leg to stand on when we look at where he is really coming from, is difficult to understand.

Edited September 25, 2009 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

Of course, there's still a strong posibility that Bin Laden is deader than a doornail under a pile of rocks in Tora Bora.

[Guest American Woman]

Of course, there's still a strong posibility that Bin Laden is deader than a doornail under a pile of rocks in Tora Bora.

This is true, but I'm not sure it makes a difference one way or the other as long as his "jihad" is being carried out in his name. In other words, I never thought his death would end the conflict. There are too many others ready and willing to carry out his crusade.

[DogOnPorch]

This is true, but I'm not sure it makes a difference one way or the other as long as his "jihad" is being carried out in his name. In other words, I never thought his death would end the conflict. There are too many others ready and willing to carry out his crusade.

Agreement...but it always seemed odd to me that he isn't trotted out on film to stir-up the Islamic masses into a frenzy. Must be either looking a wee haggered...or a wee bit dead. The quality of the tape recording (tape recordings?) from al-Qaeda would have my cat sounding like Bin Laden. I notice the other douche-bag, al-Zawahir, manages to get his ugly f***ing face on video for me to enjoy.

So what gives, al-Qaeda? Shall I nip on down to the FutureShop and grab y'all a webcam?

[M.Dancer]

Me: I didn't see Eyeball give any slack to terrorists. He simply said one injustice does not cancel another. He's right.

You: Except you have to be brain damaged to see it that way.

You don't deserve any more attention. Take care.

Hmmm...you may be right. I was of course refering to Eyeball. But if you see it that way then as they say, if the hairshirt fits...

I mean, Equating what we do with what OBL does, comparing them and calling both injustices...

You would really have to be a raving loon.

[eyeball]

Equating what we do with what OBL does, comparing them and calling both injustices...

I'm equating now am I? Okay, have it your way. How many people have died in all the western dictatorships that OBL propped up, compared that is, to the number of people who died at the hands of all the ME dictators we propped up?

Of course when we do it you think its justice.

You would really have to be a raving loon.

I guess it take's one to know one.

[Topaz]

We don't know for SURE that its OBL and the US should say to them if this is OBL than take a picture or a video and hold up a newspaper with the date on it and prove you are alive then maybe we would take you serious.

[Guest American Woman]

We don't know for SURE that its OBL and the US should say to them if this is OBL than take a picture or a video and hold up a newspaper with the date on it and prove you are alive then maybe we would take you serious.

Depends on what you mean by 'taking [him] seriously.' If you mean we would maybe take the threats seriously, I think that's already the case. Whether it's coming from bin Laden or others from the organization, the threats are just a 'real.' And if you mean maybe we would 'take [his demands] seriously,' I doubt that very much.

[Guest American Woman]

Agreement...but it always seemed odd to me that he isn't trotted out on film to stir-up the Islamic masses into a frenzy. Must be either looking a wee haggered...or a wee bit dead. The quality of the tape recording (tape recordings?) from al-Qaeda would have my cat sounding like Bin Laden. I notice the other douche-bag, al-Zawahir, manages to get his ugly f***ing face on video for me to enjoy.

So what gives, al-Qaeda? Shall I nip on down to the FutureShop and grab y'all a webcam?

When you look at it that way, it does seem as if he's most likely dead. But then, maybe life in a cave doesn't afford one modern luxuries, so perhaps he would appreciate your nipping down to the FutureShop for a webcam.

[M.Dancer]

Hint- when MDancer knows he cannot really defend his position, he goes for the nasty. A pathetic attempt at winning his baseless arguments... and also very boring

Hint, bandelot is a minor shit disturber even at the best of times.

[Sir Bandelot]

Civilian deaths from coalition vs. the Taliban has been about 50-50, until very recently when general McChrystal announced a stronger effort to avoid killing civilians.

August deadliest month of 2009 for Afghan civilians, UN says

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"McChrystal is pulling back forces from thinly populated outlying areas where some of the most intense fighting against the Taliban has taken place. The troops will be deployed to defend major population centres from the Taliban and bolster support for President Hamid Karzai's administration, tainted by corruption and election rigging, amid growing recognition that if the politics fails the war will be lost."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/2...new-afghan-plan

Looks like theres a LOT more work to do, General McCrystal.

[DogOnPorch]

General McCrystal....wouldn't want his job. Poor bugger. Like the Generals in Viet-Nam, he has to fight a war against partisans with both hands and one foot tied behind his back with a firm order of "no kicking allowed".

[Guest American Woman]

August deadliest month of 2009 for Afghan civilians, UN says

An Associated Press count found a total of 174 civilians were killed in August, 165 of them at the hands of militants. link

General McCrystal definitely does have his work cut out for him.

[naomiglover]

Whether it "excuses" it or not isn't the question I was responding to. You had asked: Why the need to compare? -- and my answer is because in the eyes of the law, there is a difference when "intent" is different. The fact that there are different charges and different penalties proves it. One could also say, while not "excusing" an accidental death, it's a different moral issue; in the eyes of the law, it's a 'lesser' crime. Surely you would not see an accidental hunting death the same as you would the Manson murders. So when one simply says "one injustice does not excuse another," there's a strong implication that both "injustices" are being viewed equally, with no regard to the difference in intent. There is no comparison between "accidental" and "planned and deliberate," yet one is being made by the statement "one injustice does not excuse another."

Bin Laden has no grounds for his "demands." The U.S. did not hurt him and he has no more regard for "Muslims" than the Taliban does. He's interested in his extremist view of his religion, and fanatics like him and the Taliban will just as easily inflict harm on other Muslims who don't do their bidding as they would western 'infidels.'

For anyone to give him any regard, to imply that he has a leg to stand on when we look at where he is really coming from, is difficult to understand.

Hi American Woman.

Let me be clear about OBL. His hypocrisy is laughable and his request for the West to leave has no weight.

I want to go back to comparing, or not comparing the situation in Afghanistan and other occupied territories. I'm glad to see that America is trying to take a new approach to Afghanistan. However, when a bomb is dropped on a building intending to kill an enemy while knowing that civilians will die as a result, then it's wrong.

A mother whose daughter's skin was burnt from acid for attending school is in as much anguish as a mother, whose daughter's legs were blown away after a bomb was dropped where she was playing.

I find it to be wrong when some, in our culture, justify and excuse killing or injuring civilians in order to kill a 'terrorist'.

[Sir Bandelot]

Hint, bandelot is a minor shit disturber even at the best of times.

Exactly, but only a little bit, right?

or not...

It depends on if you get the double entendre.

[M.Dancer]

I'm equating now am I? Okay, have it your way. How many people have died in all the western dictatorships that OBL propped up, compared that is, to the number of people who died at the hands of all the ME dictators we propped up?

Of course when we do it you think its justice.

Let me get this straignt..you think OBL murders civilians because he and you think the west props up dictatorships? And by murdering these folks you think they are responsible for this alledged propping up of these nameless dictatorships.

Sounds like you only wish that was true cause that's not what OBL says why he murders....

Edited September 27, 2009 by M.Dancer

[eyeball]

Let me get this straignt..

Quit playing games Morris. You're not that stupid, you just don't give a shit is all. The west has been screwing this region and it's people over for decades. Root causes...foreign policy blowback - these terms have pretty much always summed up the entirety of why we've been hearing demands to get out.

I thinks its people like you that the terrorists really hate. People like me are just collateral damage. Unfortunately you savages hide amongst the rest of us so they can't tell who's who. You know how that drill works.