Canada's culture of trash hits new low on this Sept 11

[whowhere]

As it is known today is the day planes were flown into the twin towers killing more than 3000 people. This event has led to countless Canadian and Nato forces deaths in Afganistan and Iraq. I made a comment about this being September 11th and it happens I am working with a guy who came from Iraq. This guy called me racists and went and complained to the supervisor. This supervisor called me in I guess to hear my side but it was obvious to me this supervisor was probably angling to make something of this.

This supervisor tried to put me on an English pedastle saying I have more speaking ability and therefore more venomous with my comments and I should be held to a higher standard in what I say. However, I elaborated and said I have had to work with all kinds of immigrants since the 1990s I have been expoesed to all kinds of religious beliefs and limited english skills. I asked this supervisor what about my mental health?

This is the fucking shit I have to put with because of the Liberals and the conservatives. Just so you know this a multinational company boasting 30 billion in sales. They do work for companies with similar sized sales. You can be sure if this piece of shit company makes anything of it I will be sure to forward this matter to every US congressman on how Canada is haven for terrorists and communists lovers.

That is the trash the liberals and conservatives have let into this country. Canada's political and bureacratic trash has made Canada into a land of freedom haters and repressive tyranical employment environments.

What more can I say, Just another loser day in a loser country the Liberals and the Conservatives built.

[M.Dancer]

I asked this supervisor what about my mental health?

This is the fucking shit I have to put with because of the Liberals and the conservatives.

Indeed.

Indeed indeed.

Indeedy.

[Radsickle]

As it is known today is the day planes were flown into the twin towers killing more than 3000 people. This event has led to countless Canadian and Nato forces deaths in Afganistan and Iraq. I made a comment about this being September 11th and it happens I am working with a guy who came from Iraq. This guy called me racists and went and complained to the supervisor. This supervisor called me in I guess to hear my side but it was obvious to me this supervisor was probably angling to make something of this.

This supervisor tried to put me on an English pedastle saying I have more speaking ability and therefore more venomous with my comments and I should be held to a higher standard in what I say. However, I elaborated and said I have had to work with all kinds of immigrants since the 1990s I have been expoesed to all kinds of religious beliefs and limited english skills. I asked this supervisor what about my mental health?

This is the fucking shit I have to put with because of the Liberals and the conservatives. Just so you know this a multinational company boasting 30 billion in sales. They do work for companies with similar sized sales. You can be sure if this piece of shit company makes anything of it I will be sure to forward this matter to every US congressman on how Canada is haven for terrorists and communists lovers.

That is the trash the liberals and conservatives have let into this country. Canada's political and bureacratic trash has made Canada into a land of freedom haters and repressive tyranical employment environments.

What more can I say, Just another loser day in a loser country the Liberals and the Conservatives built.

Sounds like your supervisor knew what they were doing. I hope they do make something of it.

It's obvious in this post that you aren't telling the whole story. What was your comment to the Iraqi?

[whowhere]

Sounds like your supervisor knew what they were doing. I hope they do make something of it.

It's obvious in this post that you aren't telling the whole story. What was your comment to the Iraqi?

That is the whole story, trash. Obviosly another terroist alquida cell at work here. You couldn't hack it in the shit hole country you came from so you come here to pick up where you left off. Once a reject always a reject. If you Alquida trash hate it here so much, leave.

[whowhere]

Indeed.

Indeed indeed.

Indeedy.

I find you humourous. You actually think it's right for the political and bureacratic trash to dump world trash onto aspiring youth who are trying to build a life for themselves? Dumping people onto the populace who have whatever religious beliefs and speak very little english.

It's ok. I have analyzed the dynamics of life to know it is ok for me to say to you. Good bye and good ridance: People will get what they deserve, nothing. I see cockroach in your future.

[charter.rights]

I find you humourous. You actually think it's right for the political and bureacratic trash to dump world trash onto aspiring youth who are trying to build a life for themselves? Dumping people onto the populace who have whatever religious beliefs and speak very little english.

It's ok. I have analyzed the dynamics of life to know it is ok for me to say to you. Good bye and good ridance: People will get what they deserve, nothing. I see cockroach in your future.

I think you probably provided your own solution:

"...what about my mental health?"

I would suggest that you seek the assistance of some qualified professionals. Not only can they help you with your workplace coping problems but they might be able to help you see that projecting your own problems on to other people doesn't help anyone.

[Wild Bill]

I sincerely hope that if I ever have to go to court I don't find any of the posters who replied to the OP as my judge! What a biased bunch with absolutely no sense of justice!

I have exactly the same suspicions about what may have really happened as anyone else but that's all they are, suspicions. At the same time, I find the scenario 'whowhere' laid out as perfectly plausible given today's politically correct times. I myself have personally witnessed similar scenarios. Management can be just as politically correct as we 'proles'.

So that being said, I would have expected folks to at least address his claims at face value. I can even accept skeptical questions. Instead, what I see are kneejerk reactions from people racing to insist that he must have provoked the issue, lied and got what was coming to him!

All on bias and opinion.

It's as if some folks seize every opportunity to point a finger at someone else in order to make it obvious that they themselves stand on the side of the angels. Quite illogical. You don't make yourself 'good' by calling someone else 'evil'. BOTH sides can be in the wrong!

I will quite cheerfully pour some gasoline on the flames that are erupting right now by saying that I find this very much to be a modern liberal attitude. Some call it 'situational ethics'. Basically, if you don't like someone (usually because they have different views) they must always be guilty of something.

To me true and fair justice requires a judge to consider his personal feelings towards the accused as irrelevant. A case is tried on its own merits, from the evidence. That means that if the preponderance of the evidence says that the accused was telling the truth then you must accept it and acquit, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM OR SOME OF HIS VIEWS!

That's not what I see in this thread. And as I said, my own suspicions agree with yours.

[wulf42]

I sincerely hope that if I ever have to go to court I don't find any of the posters who replied to the OP as my judge! What a biased bunch with absolutely no sense of justice!

I have exactly the same suspicions about what may have really happened as anyone else but that's all they are, suspicions. At the same time, I find the scenario 'whowhere' laid out as perfectly plausible given today's politically correct times. I myself have personally witnessed similar scenarios. Management can be just as politically correct as we 'proles'.

So that being said, I would have expected folks to at least address his claims at face value. I can even accept skeptical questions. Instead, what I see are kneejerk reactions from people racing to insist that he must have provoked the issue, lied and got what was coming to him!

All on bias and opinion.

It's as if some folks seize every opportunity to point a finger at someone else in order to make it obvious that they themselves stand on the side of the angels. Quite illogical. You don't make yourself 'good' by calling someone else 'evil'. BOTH sides can be in the wrong!

I will quite cheerfully pour some gasoline on the flames that are erupting right now by saying that I find this very much to be a modern liberal attitude. Some call it 'situational ethics'. Basically, if you don't like someone (usually because they have different views) they must always be guilty of something.

To me true and fair justice requires a judge to consider his personal feelings towards the accused as irrelevant. A case is tried on its own merits, from the evidence. That means that if the preponderance of the evidence says that the accused was telling the truth then you must accept it and acquit, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM OR SOME OF HIS VIEWS!

That's not what I see in this thread. And as I said, my own suspicions agree with yours.

So very true...........

Politcal correctness is not good for Canada...........God Forbid someone

on here gives their views or opinions of what is actually happening! they are branded a racist

or islamophobe but it doesn t change what many see happening to this country.

What i find the most Ironic is how the Liberal's are willing to jump at the throat to help poor

little ole Omar but if any other Canadian citizen expresses his views or concerns regarding immigration

he/she is jumped on and insulted!

So i guess what they are really saying is only certain people have the right to speak

out and only certain issues are allowed to be presented...so where does charter

of freedoms come into this again?? or rights for everybody as many of you preach so vividly

when regarding people like Omar???or does rights only apply to certain individual's

depending on if you like what they have to say or not??

Edited September 12, 2009 by wulf42

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The price of freedom is responsibility. Unfortunately we have a legal system instead of a justice system, hence the problems we now face are a matter of legal consequence instead of justice.

[Molly]

Oh right! Like evidence suggests that Whowhere is meticulously careful to avoid ever offering offense!

It's not unreasonable to assume that what walks like a duck, is likely a duck.

[M.Dancer]

I would be inclined to question whether the whole event wasn't a hallucination...

I asked this supervisor what about my mental health?

[Moonbox]

As it is known today is the day planes were flown into the twin towers killing more than 3000 people. This event has led to countless Canadian and Nato forces deaths in Afganistan and Iraq. I made a comment about this being September 11th and it happens I am working with a guy who came from Iraq. This guy called me racists and went and complained to the supervisor. This supervisor called me in I guess to hear my side but it was obvious to me this supervisor was probably angling to make something of this.

He called you a racist because you are. You're a bigoted, ignorant racist and you blame your many problems and failures on minorities.

It's never occured to you that you just might be an idiot and your life sucks because you make it suck for yourself, has it?

Edited September 12, 2009 by Moonbox

[Hydraboss]

He called you a racist because you are. You're a bigoted, ignorant racist and you blame your many problems and failures on minorities.

It's never occured to you that you just might be an idiot and your life sucks because you make it suck for yourself, has it?

I just love when people throw this one around. Would you mind adding "intolerant" so he can have as cool a signature as I do?

I have my doubts if what is written is what was said, but on the face of it, he did nothing wrong. Posters here talk about stereotyping and making assumptions and then decry them as unfair and racist. Well, what if Whowhere was a muslim and the other guy was white? Ten bucks says your opinions would do an about-face in a nanosecond.

He said nothing wrong. This is assuming that what is written is what was actually said. In large corporations, Human Excuses has a lot of stroke to run with things that don't matter and I can see this actually happening.

[Moonbox]

I just love when people throw this one around. Would you mind adding "intolerant" so he can have as cool a signature as I do?

I have my doubts if what is written is what was said, but on the face of it, he did nothing wrong. Posters here talk about stereotyping and making assumptions and then decry them as unfair and racist. Well, what if Whowhere was a muslim and the other guy was white? Ten bucks says your opinions would do an about-face in a nanosecond.

He said nothing wrong. This is assuming that what is written is what was actually said. In large corporations, Human Excuses has a lot of stroke to run with things that don't matter and I can see this actually happening.

I've followed whowhere on this forum for awhile. He only posts to tell us how evil immigrants are, how he lost his job to immigrants, how the world is trying to sell him out etc and how none of this is ever his fault.

Personally, I have a LOT of anti-immigration sentiments and I think that affirmative action is an abomination. I do believe that minorities exploit the system and it pisses me off to no end. On the other hand, given whowhere's posting history I find it VERY easy to believe he would have said something innappropriate. Look at the thread title. It's par for the course for him.

[waldo]

... I would have expected folks to at least address his claims at face value. I can even accept skeptical questions. Instead, what I see are kneejerk reactions from people racing to insist that he must have provoked the issue, lied and got what was coming to him!

All on bias and opinion.

It's as if some folks seize every opportunity to point a finger at someone else in order to make it obvious that they themselves stand on the side of the angels. Quite illogical. You don't make yourself 'good' by calling someone else 'evil'. BOTH sides can be in the wrong!

I will quite cheerfully pour some gasoline on the flames that are erupting right now by saying that I find this very much to be a modern liberal attitude. Some call it 'situational ethics'. Basically, if you don't like someone (usually because they have different views) they must always be guilty of something.

To me true and fair justice requires a judge to consider his personal feelings towards the accused as irrelevant. A case is tried on its own merits, from the evidence. That means that if the preponderance of the evidence says that the accused was telling the truth then you must accept it and acquit, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM OR SOME OF HIS VIEWS!

address his claims at face value? What face value? The complete account of what was said, what words were exchanged, is never given. You acknowledge your own suspicions as to what transpired – suspicions – from which you readily take a generic leap to accept the, as you state, “preponderance of the evidence” to identify a “modern liberal attitude” toward “situational ethics”. At face value, some might have their own suspicions as to your motivation in this regard… “opportunistic ethics”, perhaps!

the face value that is presented in the OP, is one of equal opportunity vilification against both Conservatives/conservatives and Liberals/liberals. We’re told a comment is made, but we’re not privy to that comment. We’re advised a co-worker’s racist labelling ensues and a complaint is registered. We’re advised of company management bias in the review of the complaint….. we then receive suggestion that Canada is a haven for terrorists and communists lovers. This last little gem offering, with no direct bearing on anything previously stated within the OP, might give pause for some to challenge their own “suspicions” as to what the original comment may have been – ya, think?

and finally, we’re advised that Canada’s political and bureaucratic trash has turned Canada into a land of freedom haters and repressive tyrannical employment environments. And from all of that, you garner “situational ethics”… Oh my! “Opportunistic ethics”, indeed!

[Wild Bill]

address his claims at face value? What face value? The complete account of what was said, what words were exchanged, is never given. You acknowledge your own suspicions as to what transpired – suspicions – from which you readily take a generic leap to accept the, as you state, “preponderance of the evidence” to identify a “modern liberal attitude” toward “situational ethics”. At face value, some might have their own suspicions as to your motivation in this regard… “opportunistic ethics”, perhaps!

the face value that is presented in the OP, is one of equal opportunity vilification against both Conservatives/conservatives and Liberals/liberals. We’re told a comment is made, but we’re not privy to that comment. We’re advised a co-worker’s racist labelling ensues and a complaint is registered. We’re advised of company management bias in the review of the complaint….. we then receive suggestion that Canada is a haven for terrorists and communists lovers. This last little gem offering, with no direct bearing on anything previously stated within the OP, might give pause for some to challenge their own “suspicions” as to what the original comment may have been – ya, think?

and finally, we’re advised that Canada’s political and bureaucratic trash has turned Canada into a land of freedom haters and repressive tyrannical employment environments. And from all of that, you garner “situational ethics”… Oh my! “Opportunistic ethics”, indeed!

Hey, I'm not saying you're right or wrong about the unpleasantness of some of the views he's espoused. We would agree more than disagree about that one!

I'm just saying that tolerance is truly judged by being fair not just to people that agree with you!

Or as James T. Kirk said to Cloud William:

"These words, and the words that follow, were not just written for the Yangs, but for the Kohms as well!"

"But the Kohms–"

"They must apply to everyone, or they mean nothing! Do you understand?"

More simply, if you can't be fair even to those you DON'T like, I don't believe you can be fair at all.

[waldo]

More simply, if you can't be fair even to those you DON'T like, I don't believe you can be fair at all.

in this circumstance, the (complete) fairness you call for lacks the aforementioned lack of "face value" to legitimize any suggestion of "unfairness".

let the missing whowhere comment rip... let it fly... let us judge the complete "face value" and attach "fairness" - or not

[charter.rights]

in this circumstance, the (complete) fairness you call for lacks the aforementioned lack of "face value" to legitimize any suggestion of "unfairness".

let the missing whowhere comment rip... let it fly... let us judge the complete "face value" and attach "fairness" - or not

That would be a useless exercise since it is highly likely he would lie about the real comment or change it around so he didn't look so bad. After all from the OP it is apparent that he doesn't want to provide a thorough and complete accounting of all that really went on.....

[Michael Hardner]

I'm with Morris - this whole incident could well be imagined.

It's certainly described vaguely enough and that is enough to make me question what if anything happened.

[whowhere]

That would be a useless exercise since it is highly likely he would lie about the real comment or change it around so he didn't look so bad. After all from the OP it is apparent that he doesn't want to provide a thorough and complete accounting of all that really went on.....

#1 I was not talking to this person.

#2 I was making the comment to someone else and he rudely involved himself.

#3 This person is from Iraq and wears this fact on his sleave by telling everyone this.

#4 This person has expressed his love/like of Sudam Hussein and he likely hates the United States for what they have done.

#5 This person also hates how the west has involved itself in Afganistan's Womens Rape Law. This guy thinks its ok for Afganistan men to take sex from their wives whether she likes it or not.

#6 He was rude and involved himself on something I was talking about. The subject was it being the Aniversary of Sept 11.

In response to his rudeness I made a joking remark how he said he arrived in Canada 8 years ago. Coincidently eight years ago was Sept 11;) If I said anything more I can't recall.

On this he called me racist and said he could report me to the supervisor and I said go ahead. If anything he could accuse me of inferring him to be a terroist that didn't follow through on his mission to join those who flew into the twin towers.

It is also widely believed that the terrorists of 9/11 partly came from Canada. You can be sure if this matter gains any traction I will be more than forthcoming to contact CNN, foxnews, and and the congressman of the United States on how Canada is a haven for Alquida.

When I said eff U to the Liberals and eff U to the conservatives it is because they have steered Canada into being a shit hole country where Canadians are no longer human beings able to be human but have to watch and tread carefully around tyranical employment environments where management seize opportunities to rail on people.

As for the mental health of Canadians I don't think its fair for the Politicians, bureacrats, and employers to dump these people onto Canadian society to bounce off other Canadians. I have personally worked with many immigrants who wear their religious beliefs on their sleaves and barely speak english. All this does is stresses and confuses people and that is not right.

Surely you people would not put a fox in a hen house? A pine beatle in a Canadian forest?, A Zebra muscle into Canada's fresh waters.

Why the "f'ck" are Canadians being abused like this by the Politicians, the bureacrats, and the sell out Canadians who think its ok for Canada to be remade in another Countries image.

Yeah, I knew a Good Canada Once but that was before the conservatives and liberals wrecked it.

[M.Dancer]

It is also widely believed that the terrorists of 9/11 partly came from Canada.

I asked this supervisor what about my mental health?

I hope you got good advice...

[whowhere]

I hope you got good advice...

It is so obvious you get your income from the taxes of this country.

I think its time Canada replaces the maple leaf on the flag to a blood sucking mosquito. Yep, ship all of Canada's resources to other Countries for their benefit all the while bringing in people to drive down wages and working conditions.

What way to build a prosperous Country. You better stay working for the government because if it weren't for your welfare paycheque you would likely be getting a real welfare cheque.

[Moonlight Graham]

(edit: never mind)

Edited September 13, 2009 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonbox]

It is so obvious you get your income from the taxes of this country.

I think its time Canada replaces the maple leaf on the flag to a blood sucking mosquito. Yep, ship all of Canada's resources to other Countries for their benefit all the while bringing in people to drive down wages and working conditions.

What way to build a prosperous Country. You better stay working for the government because if it weren't for your welfare paycheque you would likely be getting a real welfare cheque.

Yep, sounds like you were being perfectly rational and reasonable...

Yep, all your problems are the Liberals and Conservative's fault. Nothing to do with you....

[Radsickle]

my point exactly.

I think WhoWhere is still trying to find himself.