wulf42 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) The Taliban want an inquiry to the air strike on those two tankers trucks...... these idiots must think that somebody actually respect them as humans...lol http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8241499.stm Edited September 7, 2009 by Charles Anthony previously titled: "Now i have heard everything!" Quote
Argus Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) I had the same reaction. People who plant gasoline bombs in girls' schools which are under construction are indignant at the loss of innocent life? Spare me. Edited September 7, 2009 by Charles Anthony deleted quotation of re-copied entire Opening Post Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
wulf42 Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Posted September 7, 2009 I had the same reaction. People who plant gasoline bombs in girls' schools which are under construction are indignant at the loss of innocent life? Spare me. The scarey thing is these terrorists actually think they have rights.........lol Quote
Guest American Woman Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 There's already a NATO investigation into the air strike, so I'm not sure why the Taliban is demanding one. Furthermore, The NATO strike was condemned by several European officials at a meeting of European foreign ministers in Stockholm. I have to say, my first reaction is to agree with German Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung's comment: "I can't comprehend how some can so quickly criticize the military action without knowing what the situation was or the background information." link Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) The Taliban knew exactly what was going to happen to those trucks if they didn't get them undercover. It's not like they were the first trucks they've stolen. Edited September 7, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wild Bill Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 The Taliban knew exactly what was going to happen to those trucks if they didn't get them undercover. It's not like they were the first trucks they've stolen. Good point! And they've proven many times that they will use civilians as cannon fodder for propaganda purposes. So you steal some gas trucks, park them in the middle of a village and yell "Hey everybody! Free gas!" The people come running. After all, they are desperately poor and the gasoline has incredible value to them. The Taliban are on the phone to the news reporters before the first bombs even hit the trucks... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
wulf42 Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Posted September 7, 2009 Good point! And they've proven many times that they will use civilians as cannon fodder for propaganda purposes.So you steal some gas trucks, park them in the middle of a village and yell "Hey everybody! Free gas!" The people come running. After all, they are desperately poor and the gasoline has incredible value to them. The Taliban are on the phone to the news reporters before the first bombs even hit the trucks... Very true.............the Taliban claim to fight as "freedom fighters" then set their own people up for an air strike so they can say....."look Nato is attacking you" Those villagers would have had no idea what was going to happen to them! Quote
eyeball Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 Good point! And they've proven many times that they will use civilians as cannon fodder for propaganda purposes.So you steal some gas trucks, park them in the middle of a village and yell "Hey everybody! Free gas!" The people come running. After all, they are desperately poor and the gasoline has incredible value to them. The Taliban are on the phone to the news reporters before the first bombs even hit the trucks... So NATO's air-force still hasn't figured this out? I'm reminded of how Al Capone would likewise use the poor for propaganda purposes. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 So NATO's air-force still hasn't figured this out? I'm reminded of how Al Capone would likewise use the poor for propaganda purposes. Remember...this strike didn't occur in a city or town. It was in 'the bush'. Not too common to find a few hundred Canadians mulling around a remote river crossing in the middle of the night. Is it common for Afghanis? If so...why? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wulf42 Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Posted September 7, 2009 The most unusual part of all this is that the Germans called in the Air Strike.........very rare for them! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 The most unusual part of all this is that the Germans called in the Air Strike.........very rare for them! They knew sh!t was going down... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wulf42 Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) They knew sh!t was going down... Exactly.......the Germans had to make a split decision and the Taliban don t wear uniform's they simply mesh with the civilians, the German Commander had to make a decision and i believe he did what he had to....the Taliban put those people deliberately into harms way. When fighting an enemy that hides among the civilian population this is going to happen it can t be helped! Nato is trying to avoid collaterial damage but in war accidents will happen ...cost of doing business i guess! Edited September 7, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 Yes...Wild Bill hit the nail on der noggin. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Peter F Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) Good point! And they've proven many times that they will use civilians as cannon fodder for propaganda purposes.So you steal some gas trucks, park them in the middle of a village and yell "Hey everybody! Free gas!" The people come running. After all, they are desperately poor and the gasoline has incredible value to them. The Taliban are on the phone to the news reporters before the first bombs even hit the trucks... Agreed. And us fools played right into their trap. Good One ISAF. Smartest thing a General has said for years... Edited September 7, 2009 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Guest American Woman Posted September 8, 2009 Report Posted September 8, 2009 NATO has now admitted to civilian deaths and it sounds as if Germany is really taking a lot of heat over this incident. I have to wonder how, when the Taliban called the civilians to syphon the gas, it's not their fault that civilians were there when Germany called for the air strike. According to Germany, they didn't know civilians were there; they thought only Taliban were present. It's not as if a civilian area were hit. It sounds to me as if this was a legitimate military strike. link link Quote
Argus Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 They knew sh!t was going down... Only because an American drone aircraft told them so. No doubt the German commander looked up from his wine and magazine and said "Well, tell the Americans to take care of it". Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 Remember...this strike didn't occur in a city or town. It was in 'the bush'. Not too common to find a few hundred Canadians mulling around a remote river crossing in the middle of the night. Is it common for Afghanis? If so...why? You've never heard of a bush party? Hundreds of Canadians routinely hang out in the middle of the night at places like remote river crossings, beaches, lookouts etc. Perhaps Germans and Americans stay in a night and like you can't stop for a minute and imagine why anyone might do otherwise. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 So the Taliban were having a bush party? What was their brand of beer? Me thinks you're just heavy on the terrorist apologies. Tell me...is OBL really a nice guy? Kind to animals? What? You seem to have a line on these things afterall. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 You've never heard of a bush party? Hundreds of Canadians routinely hang out in the middle of the night at places like remote river crossings, beaches, lookouts etc. Perhaps Germans and Americans stay in a night and like you can't stop for a minute and imagine why anyone might do otherwise. The strike was reportedly ordered by a German commander after Taliban militants hijacked two fuel trucks on a NATO supply route from Tajikistan. When one of the trucks stalled in a river, the Taliban called on villagers to syphon away the fuel, witnesses said. "Believing civilians were not in the area, the local ISAF commander authorised an air strike, which destroyed the two fuel trucks," ISAF said in a statement. It doesn't sound as if the air strike hit Afghans who were out having a party. It sounds as if the civilians were in the area because the Taliban called on them to be there. So why would the Taliban, caring so much about the lives that were lost, call them into a situation that they had to know would be dangerous? After all, hijacking fuel trucks would very well bring repercussions. Like I said, if it were Taliban only when the air strike was called, and civilians were then called into the strike zone by the Taliban, is Germany to blame for calling the strike? Or is the Taliban to blame for putting the civilian lives in jeopardy? Quote
eyeball Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 The strike was reportedly ordered by a German commander after Taliban militants hijacked two fuel trucks on a NATO supply route from Tajikistan.When one of the trucks stalled in a river, the Taliban called on villagers to syphon away the fuel, witnesses said. "Believing civilians were not in the area, the local ISAF commander authorised an air strike, which destroyed the two fuel trucks," ISAF said in a statement. It doesn't sound as if the air strike hit Afghans who were out having a party. It sounds as if the civilians were in the area because the Taliban called on them to be there. So why would the Taliban, caring so much about the lives that were lost, call them into a situation that they had to know would be dangerous? After all, hijacking fuel trucks would very well bring repercussions. Like I said, if it were Taliban only when the air strike was called, and civilians were then called into the strike zone by the Taliban, is Germany to blame for calling the strike? Or is the Taliban to blame for putting the civilian lives in jeopardy? No it doesn't sound like they were at a party to me either. It sounds like shit happened is all. Pretty typical of a quagmire if you ask me. Oh well, live and learn...hopefully. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 .....Oh well, live and learn...hopefully. Agreed....placing ordnance on valid military targets is a valuable skill. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Muddy Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 Lets put the blame where it belongs. The Taliban terrorists caused this tragedy. Quote
eyeball Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 Agreed....placing ordnance on valid military targets is a valuable skill. Wouldn't it be refreshing if the ISAF would come out with statements that similarily imply and underscore the absolute infalibility of the strike, the mission, the war, the crusade...? It must really pain you to see them wringing their hands in such regret. Its almost unpatriotic. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 Wouldn't it be refreshing if the ISAF would come out with statements that similarily imply and underscore the absolute infalibility of the strike, the mission, the war, the crusade...? It must really pain you to see them wringing their hands in such regret. Its almost unpatriotic. That's nonsensical.....as the technical ability to place ordnance on the target is also a means to an end, as will be the assessment of political damage from continued civilian casualties. Remember the Grdelica train bombing in Serbia....same kinda deal. Doing nothing is for the bleeding hearts. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 That's nonsensical.....as the technical ability to place ordnance on the target is also a means to an end, as will be the assessment of political damage from continued civilian casualties. Remember the Grdelica train bombing in Serbia....same kinda deal. Doing nothing is for the bleeding hearts. What about the hearts and minds thing though? You'll never have an end to recruits or the war without them. To win this war you either need the technical ability to place ordnance on targets to avoid civilian casualties or the pagan ethos it takes to merely shrug them off. You don't usually seem have any problem with the latter but perhaps there is a bleeding heart beating deep within you after all. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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