bush_cheney2004 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 b-c it just doesn't matter how you slice it: There just isn't much desire in Canada to move away from universal health care. We love it. We depend on it. And we know that those who want to and can afford to 'jump the queue' can go south and pay the price. So what? They wouldn't need to jump the queue in this case were it not for simple incompetence. Not only is there no MRI contract, but apparently no accountability either. Most of us have no serious complaints about the system, and a lot of good experiences, if one can say that about any illness. Serious or otherwise, this circumstance warrants more than complaints. So rant away, but know that you're not moving anyone. Don't have to......they are moving on their own and voting with their dollars.....even in BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 BC moves me - and I am a stubborn one - to state that he does not move anyone is an admission to being moved..or the statement would not have worded itself in such a manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 b-c it just doesn't matter how you slice it: There just isn't much desire in Canada to move away from universal health care. We love it. We depend on it. And we know that those who want to and can afford to 'jump the queue' can go south and pay the price. So what? A system cannot be said universal if that kind of exceptions are possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 A system cannot be said universal if that kind of exceptions are possible. Ding....Ding...Ding...Ding...Ding....Ding...Ding !!!! You win the prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Good lord BC - this is not show biz.............................or maybe it is? - looks like you are lightening the lecture load to accomodate the light weights... getting tired are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Good lord BC - this is not show biz.............................or maybe it is? - looks like you are lightening the lecture load to accomodate the light weights... getting tired are we? I'm just playing rope-a-dope.....trying to whip up some Manitoba pride! Go Bombers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Ding....Ding...Ding...Ding...Ding....Ding...Ding !!!! You win the prize. What is the prize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 What is the prize? One free MRI at the Fraser clinic. Not valid with any other offers. Enemas not included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I'm just playing rope-a-dope.....trying to whip up some Manitoba pride! Go Bombers! You are going to need a real powerful mixer that runs on 220 to whip that pride up...and look - you even know the local team - I'm Canadian and I did not know. I don't think they understand rope a dope..They do understand the ulitmate fighting game though - beating the hell out of a man that is already out cold...It's usually are very feminine men that cheer this stuff on...most could not fight their way through a wet wall of Kleenex...that's why the envy America - You guys invade and destroy a whole nation and build it up from scratch - we send a hundred men to die scratching a nation's eyes out like screaming little girls. oooops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 One free MRI at the Fraser clinic. Not valid with any other offers. Enemas not included. It takes an American to peddle such thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 How is this incompetence? They're fixing the problem at many different levels. Sending people to BC for MRIs would be incompetent. People who need it now, get it now. Some wait too long, yes, but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 The reason the government acted in the first place is because a private MRI company set up to compete with them and offer two tier service. This is what you want again? I certainly do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I think that the government should allow private for profit delivery within the system...I have no problem with that, provided the image quality is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machjo Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I see you missed his point. He is talking about private citizens being able to decide to jump the line to go to a private clinic not a government paying a private clinic to take their over flow. One is a two tier health care system which we are talking about in this thread, the other is single payer which we already have. Helpful? Why couldn't government pay a private clinic, like a voucher system. Where you go the money follows. Heck, even that model welfare state, Sweden, allows private clinics! If it's good enough for a welfare state of Sweden's magnitude, surely it must be good enough for Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machjo Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 b-c it just doesn't matter how you slice it: There just isn't much desire in Canada to move away from universal health care. We love it. We depend on it. And we know that those who want to and can afford to 'jump the queue' can go south and pay the price. So what? Most of us have no serious complaints about the system, and a lot of good experiences, if one can say that about any illness. So rant away, but know that you're not moving anyone. Universal health care does not equate with public health care, Both Sweden's and Singapore's systems surpass the Canadian one as far as quality goes, even for those who can't afford it, and are cheaper, and yet have far more private involvment. It's not about ideological dogma, but about saving lives. The more invesment there is in healthcare, regardless of whether it's private or public, the better. Why would we want to block investment in health care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 How is this incompetence? They're fixing the problem at many different levels. Sending people to BC for MRIs would be incompetent. People who need it now, get it now. Some wait too long, yes, but it is what it is. Alas, this will always be your response....a littany of problems that may be fixed...sooner or later....maybe....if we have to. Are other provinces just better / more creative when it comes to "fixing problems"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 ....It's not about ideological dogma, but about saving lives. The more invesment there is in healthcare, regardless of whether it's private or public, the better. Why would we want to block investment in health care? Agreed...if that be the goal, then all options should be open...no sacred cows! Moooooooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Why couldn't government pay a private clinic, like a voucher system. Where you go the money follows. Heck, even that model welfare state, Sweden, allows private clinics! So do we. Most of our clinics are private in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Why couldn't government pay a private clinic, like a voucher system. That's what is done now. Only hospitals get block funding, and that funding is based on their facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machjo Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Yes. Hmmm... I should go see the doc more often to not overlook these things. Anyway, we still can't pay our own way even if we want to, unless we go cross-border and so export jobs to the US. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 That's what we've decided as a society. If you don't like it, tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Good god! Are you people for real? There are so many tiers in Canadian health care already that this whole question is moot. WCB, private medicine for athletes, private medicine for politicians, private medicine for the military, .......... I'm not saying it's bad - quite the contrary. I believe in a fully private system. My wife is a specialized RN and she believes in private health care. Why is this debate even going on? Anyone listen to the radio ads for the Cambie Clinic in the last few weeks? "Go where the sports pros go! Located in Vancouver, it's fly-in, fly-out convenience!!! Surgery without the wait." Wife was injured at work. Her personal GP said approximately 6 months for an MRI of her C4-C5. WCB said about 30 days. I called MIC (Medical Imaging Consultants) near the UofA in Edmonton and for $499 she was in the next morning at 11:30am. Private, multi-tier health care already exists in Canada. Ask Jack Layton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 .....Wife was injured at work. Her personal GP said approximately 6 months for an MRI of her C4-C5. WCB said about 30 days. I called MIC (Medical Imaging Consultants) near the UofA in Edmonton and for $499 she was in the next morning at 11:30am. A salute to you sir.....no need to be a victim of group think politics. 6 months? 6 months??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 How is this incompetence? They're fixing the problem at many different levels. Sending people to BC for MRIs would be incompetent. People who need it now, get it now. Some wait too long, yes, but it is what it is. Contradictory post to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 If your wife was injured at work Hydraboss, Alberta Health never should have even been an option. All medical expenses related to an injury at work are to be covered by WCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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