Should we adopt two-tier health care?

benny · August 18, 2009

Everyone dies....people in Canada die later than most others though.

And most die after having received a lot of cares.

Hydraboss · August 18, 2009

Fairness is about distributing the cares to allow social cooperation or at least social coexistence.

Your bullshit means absolutely nothing. "Social cooperation" means absolutely nothing. Health care is what you absolutely need when someone you love is sick.

If you're indifferent, you don't actually care deeply about the ill person.

bush_cheney2004 · August 18, 2009

Everyone dies....people in Canada die later than most others though.

What good is the "extra time" if it's spent waiting for specialists and treatment?

benny · August 18, 2009

Your bullshit means absolutely nothing. "Social cooperation" means absolutely nothing. Health care is what you absolutely need when someone you love is sick.

Health care is what you absolutely need when you are too sick to take care of yourself.

Bryan · August 18, 2009

Fairness means nothing when you're holding a very sick 3 year old in emergency. You'd steal your best friend's place in line, given the chance.
Fairness, with regards to health care in Canada, means everyone dying in a nice, orderly fashion. Without jumping the queue.

Funny. I've never seen these mythical lines.

benny · August 18, 2009

Fairness means nothing when you're holding a very sick 3 year old in emergency. You'd steal your best friend's place in line, given the chance.

Professionalism is about being able to give a sick 3 year old in emergency expert attention more than open-heart compassion.

Edited August 18, 2009 by benny

Hydraboss · August 18, 2009

Funny. I've never seen these mythical lines.

Then you've never been to the University of Alberta Emergency unit. Average is about 4-8 hours.

benny · August 18, 2009

Then you've never been to the University of Alberta Emergency unit. Average is about 4-8 hours.

People nowadays are ready to wait days and nights in line to get some concert tickets: these are mythical lines.

Bryan · August 18, 2009

Then you've never been to the University of Alberta Emergency unit. Average is about 4-8 hours.

No, but I've been to plenty of emergency rooms here in Manitoba, and I've never seen anything like that.

Hydraboss · August 18, 2009

No, but I've been to plenty of emergency rooms here in Manitoba, and I've never seen anything like that.

Then you're lucky.

August 18, 2009

No, but I've been to plenty of emergency rooms here in Manitoba, and I've never seen anything like that.

Same as in BC everytime I've been to the ER It's taken 1/2 hour at the most.

Smallc · August 18, 2009

The problem in Manitoba is that there are currently 18 rural emergency rooms that are closed. That's our problem that needs fixing.

Hydraboss · August 18, 2009

Same as in BC everytime I've been to the ER It's taken 1/2 hour at the most.

Well, my wife works emerg (when she's not at the Stollery Children's Hospital) and you wait and wait if they are giving you "flourescent light therapy". If you're critical or near-critical, you go in immediately.

benny · August 18, 2009

If you're critical or near-critical, you go in immediately.

An emergency service that is responding to emergencies, perfect!

Bryan · August 18, 2009

An emergency service that is responding to emergencies, perfect!

Exactly.

The issue isn't how long at emergency, because the answer is pretty much immediately almost every time no matter where you are. The question is, who are all these jackasses who are sitting in the emergency waiting room when they DON'T have an emergency?

Topaz · August 18, 2009

What the Feds should do is to get the provincial governments to allow more doctors to graduate from medical school and to make sure these doctors stay here and practice, especially GP's. There also a shortage of dermatologists in Ontario and the wages of the nurses should be brought up to par with the US. We've lost more people to Texas and Michigan and we should try to keep them here and therefore, there would be more beds available in hospitals.

benny · August 18, 2009

The question is, who are all these jackasses who are sitting in the emergency waiting room when they DON'T have an emergency?

Simply patient persons.

Bryan · August 19, 2009

Simply patient persons.

So they saw the sign "Patient Waiting" and just misunderstood? :lol:

Hydraboss · August 19, 2009

Exactly.
The issue isn't how long at emergency, because the answer is pretty much immediately almost every time no matter where you are. The question is, who are all these jackasses who are sitting in the emergency waiting room when they DON'T have an emergency?

Well, according to the "unofficial polls" the nurses at this particular hospital do (when they triage patients), about 70 percent of the people waiting should have gone to a medi-center or a GP. People with emergent situations are taken in as fast as possible, but it's the ones who have an ear infection that always seem to find their way to a news interview after they waited four hours to be told that there's nothing that can be done.

The medical system in Canada is broken. We could easily get more doctors and nurses if a public-private system were adopted that would allow them to make enough money to be comparable with the US.

Smallc · August 19, 2009

Yes, and then it would go from being unaffordable as it is now (and I don't feel sorry for nurses making $36 per hour and doctors at $250K per year) to completely unaffordable.

Bryan · August 19, 2009

Well, according to the "unofficial polls" the nurses at this particular hospital do (when they triage patients), about 70 percent of the people waiting should have gone to a medi-center or a GP. People with emergent situations are taken in as fast as possible, but it's the ones who have an ear infection that always seem to find their way to a news interview after they waited four hours to be told that there's nothing that can be done.

Not only should those people be kicked out of emerge, they should be charged with mischief. If I call 911 and there's no emergency, they'd charge me, because I'm wasting resources that might not be available for a real emergency.

The medical system in Canada is broken. We could easily get more doctors and nurses if a public-private system were adopted that would allow them to make enough money to be comparable with the US.

The medical system in the US is a nightmare. A political leader who would try to bring that in here would end up hanging from a tree.

bush_cheney2004 · August 19, 2009

....The medical system in the US is a nightmare. A political leader who would try to bring that in here would end up hanging from a tree.

...so instead, the provinces send Canadians to the USA.....problem solved! :lol:

Smallc · August 19, 2009

Actually, yes.

benny · August 19, 2009

So they saw the sign "Patient Waiting" and just misunderstood?

Insulting people will solve nothing.

fellowtraveller · August 20, 2009

Spot on....but it is politically incorrect to admit this. Everyone must wait in the same line...equally.....wink....wink.

Not an admission, just an observable fact.

The US has three tiers, or more accurately two tiers and 50 million people with no insurance who contribute to the reality that ,many Americans suffer from no or really inadequate care. Preventative medicine, which would keep them alive, keep them more healthy and less of a strain on public medicine, just is not there for them. It is puzzling since individual Americans are compassionate people, but those that have insurance are quite content to pay bigtime and let the others suffer.

The other top two tiers are : a) are rich or have topnotch insurance that covers all and are employed, insured, have no serious medcial issues and are desp[werate to hang onto all three of those things. If they lose any of the three, they become part of the 50 million.

God Bless America.