benny Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Only with benny logic.... You are hard to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 You are hard to follow. I believe he is saying the same about you..sometimes your one liners are highly prized and very brilliant - other times - I don't have a clue...Looks like I am long winded and you might be short winded...BC - if you are not prejudice against our Ameican member - really has a finger on the pulse of his nation..He's informative - and he is a friend..making friends is important. I believe it has a name - deplomacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I believe he is saying the same about you..sometimes your one liners are highly prized and very brilliant - other times - I don't have a clue...Looks like I am long winded and you might be short winded... Get used to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Speaking of selling out health care...looke like the wait lines in Vancouver will get a wee bit longer. "Ma'm....don't worry...it's only temporary blindness" http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.ht...506&sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Speaking of selling out health care...looke like the wait lines in Vancouver will get a wee bit longer. Those who wait in Canada would already be dead in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Those who wait in Canada would already be dead in the US. Waiting for death in Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Waiting for death in Canada? For sure, there is no (expeditious) death row in Canada! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 For sure, there is no (expeditious) death row in Canada! Is there anything expeditious in Canada ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Is there anything expeditious in Canada ?? My answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 >>>>become a vengeful spokesperson for the capitalists who like to make money off of sick people. Although she'd never admit it, she's selling out Canada's Health Care to appease her "many American friends." So at least you concede that "capitalists" do provide services to sick people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Now they get to sue their asses in court....also her right, or do you want to take that away too? Absolutely. The courts should refuse to even hear her arguments. She should have her lying ass kicked to the curb. If she likes American healthcare so much, let her enjoy losing her house to pay for it like Americans do too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 My answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 If she likes American healthcare so much, let her enjoy losing her house to pay for it like Americans do too! Even with "free" healthcare someone pays. In Canada's case it's certain taxpayers. In reality it's similar in the U.S. since the emergency room winds up being the "health care" of first resort of the underclass.Frankly, it may be better in both countries' cases to go back to a "user pays" system since the fees charged are grossly inflated by having a situation where neither the patient nor the doctor has a concern with the price charged for services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 ...Frankly, it may be better in both countries' cases to go back to a "user pays" system since the fees charged are grossly inflated by having a situation where neither the patient nor the doctor has a concern with the price charged for services. Agreed....the health care consumer has become very de-coupled from the actual costs. They need to have more skin in the game before accessing services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Regardless, true or not, "shutting her up" is not acceptable. Battle her free speech with more free speech. Isn't that what people are doing by pointing out her lies, and the lies of the rich health care lobby funding the advertising campaign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Isn't that what people are doing by pointing out her lies, and the lies of the rich health care lobby funding the advertising campaign? No, some people want to shut her up completely...she is a "traitor" to Canada! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Agreed....the health care consumer has become very de-coupled from the actual costs. They need to have more skin in the game before accessing services. "Health care consumer" - right there! That's why America will never have real protection for the average person when it comes to sickness and disease. Human beings in the west are consumers - their sole purpose under our present system is to produce - consume and give off waste - They are a bio-machine that is buisness...when you class a human body strickly as a consumer - and that breathing air and staying alive is consumerism - than you consume yourselfs - life is free. One thing that the state or big buisness does not own - if your body or corpse or organs after death - they would like too - but they can't.. Health care - is one human being with the ability to heal another human being healing that human being - It's not a buisness - and at present it seems to still be about coercion..threat - and in some cases the mindset and what is subtley spoken is this - "Give me all your money or I will kill you" - that's what I see.....it's society feeding on the flesh of the weak ----real nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Health care has all become very politicised when it should not have been. The reason is that the US has a paranoid aversion to both government, and to "socialism", even though most Americans don't know what socialism is. In Canada, politically inspired efforts to tar the conservatives as "american" which means by that "in favor of an American system" have also politicised health care, and made it almost impossible to seriously discuss reform. I am NOT satisfied with the current system. I seek efficiency and cost-effectiveness in all things, and that is ALL that motivates me with regard to health care. The American system is clearly, by any sane definition, neither cost-effective, nor efficient. It uses enormously more money to do less than most other nations accomplish in their own systems. The discussion on whether private or public money should go towards health care is pointless. All the money comes out of the pockets of Canadians regardless of whether we first pay it to an insurance company, or to the government. And only the very rich can afford to pay all their own health care out-of-pocket. Normally, government is less efficient at tasks than the private sector, so the knee-jerk reaction is that the private sector can do it better, faster, cheaper. In health care, unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case, at least, not in the United States. American private health care makes Chrysler and GM seem like hyper efficient Japanese industries in comparison. Myself, I would create one single crown corporation which would be our national insurance company, hire some really crack health care experts out of France, Germany and Sweden to run it, and see if they can't find efficiencies our public system lacks - and the American private systems can't begin to imagine. If that works, we can move on to simliar agencies to look after the construction and management of hospitals and clinics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 "Health care consumer" - right there! That's why America will never have real protection for the average person when it comes to sickness and disease. Human beings in the west are consumers - their sole purpose under our present system is to produce - consume and give off waste - Correct....and getting back to basics...you have no right to health care...not even in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 ....Myself, I would create one single crown corporation which would be our national insurance company, hire some really crack health care experts out of France, Germany and Sweden to run it, and see if they can't find efficiencies our public system lacks - and the American private systems can't begin to imagine. If that works, we can move on to simliar agencies to look after the construction and management of hospitals and clinics. ...and the rich Canadians would still go to the Mayo Clinics. All is well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Correct....and getting back to basics...you have no right to health care...not even in Canada. No we do not have a right to industrial style health care....but we do have the right on a personal level - to have a trained person - though their own free will to heal or assist in healing another human being on the individual level - YOU can not stop one person from being kind to the other! That IS a right - a right to do what is right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 No we do not have a right to industrial style health care....but we do have the right on a personal level - to have a trained person - though their own free will to heal or assist in healing another human being on the individual level - YOU can not stop one person from being kind to the other! That IS a right - a right to do what is right! Now you sound like Chretien...a proof is a proof! Nobody owes you a triple organ transplant....just die and get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Now you sound like Chretien...a proof is a proof! Nobody owes you a triple organ transplant....just die and get over it. Straw man BC - don't use that crap on me - you warped my statement - My point was that we should be free to help each other without profiteers and other interlopers entering into it - like we were cows in a field that are some common resourse for the harvesting....I never mention organ transplants - and in fact I don't believe in taking meat from one person and sticking it in another - or waiting for someone to die so I can live...I believe in preventative health care - so we don't get to the point where I need your damned kidney...This is the first time I have seen you behave as a jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Straw man BC - don't use that crap on me - you warped my statement - My point was that we should be free to help each other without profiteers and other interlopers entering into it - like we were cows in a field that are some common resourse for the harvesting....I never mention organ transplants - and in fact I don't believe in taking meat from one person and sticking it in another - or waiting for someone to die so I can live...I believe in preventative health care - so we don't get to the point where I need your damned kidney...This is the first time I have seen you behave as a jerk. But I am a jerk...to anyone who wants to appropriate intellectual property or labor...and that includes medical professionals. If you want a free lunch...make it yourself. Edited August 20, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 But I am a jerk...to anyone who wants to appropriate intellectual property or labor...and that includes medical professionals. If you want a free lunch...make it yourself. I offer a free lunch to the doctor - and my friendship and loyalty - YOU want to interfere with this relationship - and force the doctor to charge me an arm and a leg for treatment - because you have shares in some big pharma company - that pumps out garbage that we don't need most of the time - your motivation is money - YOU can not force a doctor to do your bidding..that's not his or her real purpose. BUTT out BC - you are not a doctor - you are a buisnessman..who wants to parasiste off the doctor and the patient - we don't need a third party interloper sneaking in and skimming - go get your own money...don't suck the life out of others...I know it's the American way - and you suck the life out of other nations - and the life out of your own nation - When are you going to give up eating human flesh? I hope you get mad bull disease! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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