msj Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 I'd bet it doesn't play out in any way. This is a gift from the Queen of Canada to the Right Honourable Jean Chretien. Nothing more. Yep, seems the only people talking about it is us loony tunes. I haven't come across a person in the real world who either cares or knew about this. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
August1991 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) I'd bet it doesn't play out in any way. This is a gift from the Queen of Canada to the Right Honourable Jean Chretien. Nothing more. Peut-être que oui... Edited July 15, 2009 by August1991 Quote
Smallc Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 Wow...people are talking about it on another political forum. I never would have imagined. Quote
August1991 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) Wow...people are talking about it on another political forum. I never would have imagined.To its credit, Canada is a civilized, federal country. We resolve our differences peacefully, as civilized people.We are like Czechs and Slovaks, Norwegians and Swedes. Civilized people. Edited July 15, 2009 by August1991 Quote
msj Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 Wow...people are talking about it on another political forum. I never would have imagined. I think you forgot the I tried reading it in French and then tried Google translator. Either way, still can't see what August's fuss is based on. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
ironstone Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 I think this Queen's Order of Merit award has just been rendered worthless if someone like Jean Chretien get's it.He hasn't got an honest bone in his body and he is in no way,shape or form a worthy recipient. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Smallc Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 he is in no way,shape or form a worthy recipient. And it seems that her majesty disagrees with you. Quote
msj Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 I think this Queen's Order of Merit award has just been rendered worthless if someone like Jean Chretien get's it.He hasn't got an honest bone in his body and he is in no way,shape or form a worthy recipient. Oh, how wrong I have been! Obviously ironstone would have voted Liberal in the next election if only JC didn't accept this award. The political implications are overwhelming! But I wonder - maybe it isn't that Harper is clever to have set up this vanity play. Maybe the Queen is really a supporter of Harper and Conservatives everywhere! After all, Thatcher is in the same Order. This is how she gets back at the evil Liberals which she has been secretly planning ever since PET broke his dance move. And for good measure - Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
August1991 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) Maybe the Queen is really a supporter of Harper and Conservatives everywhere! After all, Thatcher is in the same Order. This is how she gets back at the evil Liberals which she has been secretly planning ever since PET broke his dance move. ... giggle... Dans une entrevue accordée à Cyberpresse, ce matin, M. Chrétien s'est dit touché par le geste de la reine Élisabeth II.«C'est un beau cadeau de la reine. Il n'y a pas beaucoup de Canadiens qui l'ont reçu. C'est un compliment intéressant de sa majesté. C'est toujours agréable que l'on reconnaisse le travail que nous avons fait. Je l'accepte avec plaisir et humilité», a affirmé M. Chrétien. Un Libéral... touché... Edited July 15, 2009 by August1991 Quote
g_bambino Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 We are like... Norwegians and Swedes. Civilized people. Which, of course, doesn't at all contradict your earlier statement: If Canada is to be a civilized country in the full meaning of the term, then it must become a Federal Republic. Or, did you forget that Sweden and Norway are monarchies? Quote
g_bambino Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 Trudeau at least had the ego to dance a jig behind her. And accept from her induction into the Order of Merit. Did Harper orchestrate that, too? Quote
tango Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 And have traditionally had restrictions on non-white immigration. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
jdobbin Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 As I have argued elsewhere, it is impossible for this Queen Elizabeth to give any title to a retired Canadian PM without prior approval from a sittng Canadian PM.Moreover, this British Queen would likely give an award based on advice from the current Canadian PM. You seem to have knowledge no one else has. Care to tell us what part of the PMO you work for? Quote
g_bambino Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 You seem to have knowledge no one else has. Care to tell us what part of the PMO you work for? I already raised this point. Not surprisingly, he ignored it. Quote
August1991 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) Or, did you forget that Sweden and Norway are monarchies?Gotme. You are right, bambino. But Norway's monarchy was established by democratic referendum.---- My point above was that different Canadians view our problems differently and we often debate the same problem in different languages, with radically different viewpoints. Moreover, Canadians are mostly Christian but we go about church ceremonies for baptisms, marriages and funerals differently. IMHO, the essence of Canada is that we accept our differences in a civilized manner. It is our federal system that makes this acceptance possible. Lastly, I think Chretien should have refused this award. I am angry that Harper, in partisan pique, offered it to him to take advantage of Chretien's vanity. Make no mistake: this award is all about Liberal vanity. Edited July 15, 2009 by August1991 Quote
msj Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 Maybe August is getting the Order of Merit mixed up with the Order of the Companions of Honour? The former does not require ministerial advice. The latter also does not require ministerial advice, however, Commonwealth Prime Ministers are allowed to make nominations. It should be noted that PET received the CoH in 1984. Once again, there is no Knighthood or title involved. Just an award and putting one's initials behind one's name. Maybe I shouldn't be writing this - there's gonna be a run on tin foil tonight. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
msj Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 Lastly, I think Chretien should have refused this award. I am angry that Harper, in partisan pique, offered it to him. Should Trudeau have refused the Order of the Companion of Honour back in 1984? And, more importantly, was that planned by Harper? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
M.Dancer Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 Gotme. You are right, bambino. But Norway's monarchy was established by democratic referendum. Umm yeah, they elected the brother of the King of Sweden....Gustavs, olafs....all good konegs.. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) Lastly, I think Chretien should have refused this award. I am angry that Harper, in partisan pique, offered it to him to take advantage of Chretien's vanity. What part of the PMO do you work for? Edited July 16, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
August1991 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) Should Trudeau have refused the Order of the Companion of Honour back in 1984?Maybe Trudeau should have refused the award given what happened to the federal Liberals in September 1984.msj, to be honest, I don't know what the Order of the Companion of Honour is and until you told me, I didn't know that Trudeau received one in 1984. My point is that IMHO, Harper should not involve the British Queen in partisan Canadian politics. I am outside of Canada so perhaps I am wrong but I am surprised that the MSM has not picked up on this. Queen Elizabeth would not give an award to a retired Canadian PM from Quebec without the approval of a sitting Canadian PM from Alberta. She knows enough about Canada to ask questions. I suspect she smiled when she signed the papers. IMV, Harper should not have done this - but I'm not a politician. Edited July 16, 2009 by August1991 Quote
Smallc Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Queen Elizabeth would not give an award to a retired Canadian PM from Quebec without the approval of a sitting Canadian PM from Alberta. Wow! You just can't accept that Harper had nothing to do with this, can you? Quote
g_bambino Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 You just can't accept that Harper had nothing to do with this, can you? He apparently also finds it impossible to believe that the British Queen had nothing to do with this, either. Quote
msj Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Maybe Trudeau should have refused the award given what happened to the federal Liberals in September 1984. Yeah, must have been the award. msj, to be honest, I don't know what the Order of the Companion of Honour is and until you told me, I didn't know that Trudeau received one in 1984. And you're not going to bother to find out .... I wonder how you voted in 1984 since you didn't know about PET getting this award? My point is that IMHO, Harper should not involve the British Queen in partisan Canadian politics. I am outside of Canada so perhaps I am wrong but I am surprised that the MSM has not picked up on this. Queen Elizabeth would not give an award to a retired Canadian PM from Quebec without the approval of a sitting Canadian PM from Alberta. She knows enough about Canada to ask questions. I suspect she smiled when she signed the papers.IMV, Harper should not have done this - but I'm not a politician. Where is your proof that Harper was involved at all? Provide it. We do know, however, that the Queen can give this award to whoever she chooses and does not have to ask or inform the sitting PM no matter what bogeymen may be lurking in the strange minds of certain Canadians. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Remiel Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 August, please stop talking before you sacrifice the last vestige of respect any of us have for you on the altar of stupidity. Quote
August1991 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Wow! You just can't accept that Harper had nothing to do with this, can you?And apparently, you can't understand how this benefits the Conservatives.Harper throws spitballs. Quote
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