madmax Posted July 11, 2009 Report Posted July 11, 2009 You can't make this stuff up... http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDi....aspx?e=1649663 PC riding group shelved after sex raps surface Posted By RAYMOND BOWE Updated 1 day ago The Ontario PC Party has dissolved its Barrie riding association after two board members were charged with gang sexual assault. Riding association president Sarfraz Warraich, 42, of Barrie, has been charged with gang sexual assault and attempting to obstruct justice. A second board member, 43-year-old Barrie resident Arif Mehmood, has also been charged with gang sexual assault. Warraich turned down several requests to resign, according to two board members. Quote
robert_viera Posted July 11, 2009 Report Posted July 11, 2009 The riding association president's facebook page, including a photo of him with Jason Kenney and Patrick Brown: http://www.facebook.com/sarfraz.warraich Quote THE BROWN RETORT | Photos of householders and ten-percenters
Wild Bill Posted July 11, 2009 Report Posted July 11, 2009 You can't make this stuff up... http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDi....aspx?e=1649663 PC riding group shelved after sex raps surface Posted By RAYMOND BOWE Updated 1 day ago The Ontario PC Party has dissolved its Barrie riding association after two board members were charged with gang sexual assault. Riding association president Sarfraz Warraich, 42, of Barrie, has been charged with gang sexual assault and attempting to obstruct justice. A second board member, 43-year-old Barrie resident Arif Mehmood, has also been charged with gang sexual assault. Warraich turned down several requests to resign, according to two board members. So the PC's found some bad apples and turfed them out! Reminds me of a couple of incidents back in my Reform days. They found some as well and promptly turfed them out. Of course, the other parties have had similar incidents over the years. Law of Averages, after all. They just never seem willing to do any "turfing". If history repeats itself, I'm waiting for the other parties to accuse the PC's of being racist for turfing out accused sex offenders who happen to be visible minorities. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Craig1 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Posted July 12, 2009 I'm pretty sure these guys have nice homes, cars, toys not to mention all the moneys collected in PC memberships/Donations. What heppen to getting touph on gangs? and seizing the assets? Quote
Wild Bill Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 I'm pretty sure these guys have nice homes, cars, toys not to mention all the moneys collected in PC memberships/Donations.What heppen to getting touph on gangs? and seizing the assets? After the Shawinigate scandal, anything else is too trivial to bother prosecuting. If Chretien could get away with getting that poor loans manager fired for not lending money to a bad credit risk to buy ol' Jean's property, these guys are pretty safe! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Molly Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 LOL Keep throwing stuff out there, Bill. There must be a silver lining to it somewhere! Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Craig1 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 After the Shawinigate scandal, anything else is too trivial to bother prosecuting. If Chretien could get away with getting that poor loans manager fired for not lending money to a bad credit risk to buy ol' Jean's property, these guys are pretty safe! Im just wondering if sets Precedent? is central to legal analysis and rulings in countries that follow common law like the United Kingdom and Canada. Even in the civil law system of the Canadian province of Quebec, the precedent is respected and esteemed to various degrees. In some systems precedent is not binding but is taken into account by the courts. Could Precedent be used as a defence to regain assets seized under Canada's anti-gang laws? Allot of money is tied up, Quote
Shakeyhands Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 So the PC's found some bad apples and turfed them out! Reminds me of a couple of incidents back in my Reform days. They found some as well and promptly turfed them out. Wow, the hypocrisy. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Muddy Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 Volunteers in riding associations are not indicative of the whole riding or members of a political party. These two charlatans and bad guys are not an example of their ethnicity either. As for Wild Bills comments on the banker being fired ,now that was a scandal. The banker did get his compensation in his law suit for wrongful dismissal. Mean while Cretch got his Buddy got the loan and the tax payers lost. The business venture failed as the original banker predicted. Quote
Wild Bill Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 Volunteers in riding associations are not indicative of the whole riding or members of a political party. These two charlatans and bad guys are not an example of their ethnicity either. As for Wild Bills comments on the banker being fired ,now that was a scandal. The banker did get his compensation in his law suit for wrongful dismissal. Mean while Cretch got his Buddy got the loan and the tax payers lost. The business venture failed as the original banker predicted. Exactly, Muddy! This thread is yet another indication of how some folks are so partisan they can't be objective. To them, some riding volunteers ARE indicative of the entire party, if they don't like that party! Of course, when the shoe is on their foot it's a COMPLETELY different story! No wonder as a people we never seem to get ahead. We get what we deserve! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Smallc Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 Exactly, Muddy! This thread is yet another indication of how some folks are so partisan they can't be objective. It does...in more than one direction. Quote
enviralment Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 What is 'gang' sex? Is this sex with a large group of people or sex with gang members? How is this a crime? Quote I support a pragmatic approach to our energy mix. Include Nuclear and support Canadian technology!
lily Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 It's not gang sex... it's gang sexual assault. Sexual assault of any stripe is a crime. Quote I'll rise, but I won't shine.
lictor616 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 You can't make this stuff up... http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDi....aspx?e=1649663 PC riding group shelved after sex raps surface Posted By RAYMOND BOWE Updated 1 day ago The Ontario PC Party has dissolved its Barrie riding association after two board members were charged with gang sexual assault. Riding association president Sarfraz Warraich, 42, of Barrie, has been charged with gang sexual assault and attempting to obstruct justice. A second board member, 43-year-old Barrie resident Arif Mehmood, has also been charged with gang sexual assault. Warraich turned down several requests to resign, according to two board members. Sarfraz and mehmood is pakistani right? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Shakeyhands Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 Sarfraz and mehmood is pakistani right? and? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Melanie_ Posted July 13, 2009 Report Posted July 13, 2009 After the Shawinigate scandal, anything else is too trivial to bother prosecuting. Wow! Join a political party, receive an all purpose "Get Out of Jail Free" Card! Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
Muddy Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Wow! Join a political party, receive an all purpose "Get Out of Jail Free" Card! I don`t think anyone here has said that. I would flog the suckers if they sexually assaulted someone. But then again ,I am a right wing law and order guy. But I will also give them their day in court. But I don`t think for a moment that they are indicative of the CPC. Quote
Molly Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) As serious as it is, it's also bloody hilarious! The riding association is suffering because some incredibly wretched choices in local leadership were made. And now they are doing/have done what they have to do to fix it. In the meantime, they are miserably embarrassed, and will spend years living it down. And every single person who remembers it for more than a month has an appropriate context for it... that it means next to nothing about the folks who are so embarrassed by it, but that it's great fun to watch them squirm at the mention of it. Edited July 14, 2009 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Guest icbones Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 If these guys are convicted and they were not born in Canada, I think deportation is called for. A good house cleaning is long over due in this country. As well the CPC should start trying to keep their tradional supporters instead reaching out to immigrants in order to boost their popularity. The CPC has just had a lesson on why you do not make someone head of a riding association just because they are a visible minority and it makes for good optics. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 If these guys are convicted and they were not born in Canada, I think deportation is called for. You cannot deport Canadian citizens. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Guest icbones Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 You cannot deport Canadian citizens. Correct. I should have added, stripped of their citizenship first. Quote
Wild Bill Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 As serious as it is, it's also bloody hilarious! The riding association is suffering because some incredibly wretched choices in local leadership were made. And now they are doing/have done what they have to do to fix it. In the meantime, they are miserably embarrassed, and will spend years living it down. And every single person who remembers it for more than a month has an appropriate context for it... that it means next to nothing about the folks who are so embarrassed by it, but that it's great fun to watch them squirm at the mention of it. "Years living it down"? Molly, I've seen this over the years happen to the PC's, Reform, NDP, CPC and especially my own riding when it was Liberal! It is forgotten within a month or two. Things never really change. Perhaps we expect too much. After all, we're talking about mostly volunteer help, which is always in short supply. So the parties often take what they can get and may not look that gift horse too closely in the mouth. Also, it may not be politically correct to say it but it's a sad reality of the times that minority background is so desired (especially for the CPC, which has an undeserved, untrue but real perception for not having a lot of them) that volunteers from those demographics can become almost untouchable, unless they do something REALLY bad, which is the accusations in this case. All parties can and have had a few bad apples. It just comes with the territory. That's why I judge them by how they handle such problems, not just for simply having them. Back in my Reformer days there was an election where in two different ridings racists were exposed. One was running for Reform and the other was running for the Liberals. The writ had already been dropped and there was no time to come up with alternate candidates. Reform turfed their problem anyway, saying they'd rather have no candidate at all than allow a racist to represent their party. The Liberals? They kept their guy! A spokesman said what to me are immortal words: "It's unfortunate but what can we do? There's no time to get another candidate! Rest assured if he wins he will be made to take 'sensitivity training'!" Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Molly Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Well, Bill... you remember those occassions, and would tease the folks involved given half a chance, wouldn't you? I would. But, ... exactly. ** it happens, and while it's good ammo while trading shots, means nothing. Two things I will clearly remember about this one, though: firstly, the hyper-awareness that those aren't European names. The resident racists stood up and counted themselves in almost instantly. And even those with gentler attitudes chalk the very election of these guys up to ethnic background. The second is todays revelation over it, in which Patrick Brown is making of himself a very large horses patoot by claiming it's all a Liberal plot. From the Examiner: "This episode will hurt the Liberals more than any other party, " said Brown, who called the Barrie Examiner yesterday about what he termed unfair media reports. "This is a Liberal takeover that has left a blemish on the PC name," he added. They've been beat up badly- it's not fair, it's not just and it's not an accurate reflection of the situation." Liberal takeover! Does he truly expect anyone to believe that this was the doing of those evil Liberals, (with their horns and their fangs)? What a weenie! What a maroon! Edited July 14, 2009 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Wild Bill Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 The second is todays revelation over it, in which Patrick Brown is making of himself a very large horses patoot by claiming it's all a Liberal plot. From the Examiner: "This episode will hurt the Liberals more than any other party, " said Brown, who called the Barrie Examiner yesterday about what he termed unfair media reports. "This is a Liberal takeover that has left a blemish on the PC name," he added. They've been beat up badly- it's not fair, it's not just and it's not an accurate reflection of the situation." Liberal takeover! Does he truly expect anyone to believe that this was the doing of those evil Liberals, (with their horns and their fangs)? What a weenie! What a maroon! No, few would buy Brown's story. He's just being a 'dillhole', as they say on 'That 70's Show'. Both sides will make ridiculous claims about the other, making a mountain out of a molehill over something that was really just a bit of bad luck, easily remedied by giving those involved the sack. It is summer, after all. Politicos really have to work at it to get any publicity during this season. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
ironstone Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 It's not gang sex... it's gang sexual assault. Sexual assault of any stripe is a crime. Sexual assault is a heinous crime no matter how you look at it.Here's a story about another guy charged with a sex crime. http://www2.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/...f5-151f63b877f8 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
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