benny Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 Here why no one is rightfully interested by peace in the Middle East: http://books.google.com/books?id=8fn8n4RLg...;q=&f=false Quote
Moonbox Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 That's because you seem to only understand statements that agree with your position. You demonstrated it numerous times throughout this thread. And this is nothing to do with me because it was stated very clearly what the apology should be made for. Far be it for me to be defending Jdobbin normally but Myata your argument has been as fluffy and insubstantial as they come. You HAVE dodged and deflected very critical points in the discussion and your answer for them has been full of "maybes" and "shoulds". I understand what you are saying and that you're not choosing sides but maybe we can ask the question in more neutral terms: 1) Do you think that if Israel completely stops settlement encroachment and lets up on their security restrictions in Gaza and the West Bank that they will largely stop being attacked and their major and identifiable enemies will offer any sort of guarantees to stop the violence? 2) If no, then would you say that security restrictions and settlement buffers offer at least some measure of protection to Israeli centres of population? (I can explain why they do if you want to try and say no) Take it one step further and then ask, 3) If your answer to 1) is 'no', and your answer to 2) is 'yes', why would Israel have any desire/incentive to offer concessions to its enemies? Should they be giving away/back land, loosening security etc all as gestures of 'good faith'? Does that seem wise to you? Would you want to make 'gestures' of good faith that potentially could result in dead citizens? Do it all on blind faith right? It'll work out...for sure.... Answer those questions, especially number 3, before you call Jdobbin out for mercurial arguments and trying to confuse the issues. You're dodging legitimate, practical questions that Israeli leaders are balancing LIVES on. I'm not saying Israel is blameless. They've commited their own share of violence and aggression but the formation of the state of Israel CANNOT be the issue anymore. The past is the past and we can ONLY look now at things we can change. Israel is not going anywhere. There's no possibility that Israel is going to apologize for being there because all it does is validate its enemies. The suggestion itself is incredibly pompous and naive. "Hey umm...we're sorry our parents moved here 60 years ago. It was wrong. Really sorry. We cool now?" Your position is exactly the reason WHY peace isn't going to be achieved. If we're going to dwell on what happened 60 years ago and insist that the people currently living there did something 'wrong' by fleeing what was literally millenia of persecution to settle in the only homeland they EVER had, you cannot move forward. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
benny Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Far be it for me to be defending Jdobbin normally but Myata your argument has been as fluffy and insubstantial as they come. You HAVE dodged and deflected very critical points in the discussion and your answer for them has been full of "maybes" and "shoulds". I understand what you are saying and that you're not choosing sides but maybe we can ask the question in more neutral terms:1) Do you think that if Israel completely stops settlement encroachment and lets up on their security restrictions in Gaza and the West Bank that they will largely stop being attacked and their major and identifiable enemies will offer any sort of guarantees to stop the violence? 2) If no, then would you say that security restrictions and settlement buffers offer at least some measure of protection to Israeli centres of population? (I can explain why they do if you want to try and say no) Take it one step further and then ask, 3) If your answer to 1) is 'no', and your answer to 2) is 'yes', why would Israel have any desire/incentive to offer concessions to its enemies? Should they be giving away/back land, loosening security etc all as gestures of 'good faith'? Does that seem wise to you? Would you want to make 'gestures' of good faith that potentially could result in dead citizens? Do it all on blind faith right? It'll work out...for sure.... Jews have a non-consequentialist conception of justice: http://darwin.eeb.uconn.edu/eeb310-save/le...hics/node3.html Quote
jbg Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Here why no one is rightfully interested by peace in the Middle East:http://books.google.com/books?id=8fn8n4RLg...;q=&f=false I looked at that extract. Incoherent gibberish like many of your posts. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Craig1 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) show me a good jew then we can get into some worth while debate ever heard of the Jew cunt! wonder where that ever came from and for it to stick around to this day says something....personally i would be disgrased to be labeled a Jew "cunt". Edited August 15, 2009 by Craig1 Quote
benny Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 I looked at that extract. Incoherent gibberish like many of your posts. A book has to be read, not to be looked at. Quote
Craig1 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Here why no one is rightfully interested by peace in the Middle East:http://books.google.com/books?id=8fn8n4RLg...;q=&f=false peace doesnt make money my friend I will always hate you and you will always hate me as long as we have the all mighty JEW meter to pay. Quote
benny Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 peace doesnt make money my friend I will always hate you and you will always hate me as long as we have the all mighty JEW meter to pay. Protestants have invented capitalism, not Jews. Quote
jbg Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 ...as long as we have the all mighty JEW meter to pay.What is a "Jew Meter"? I am Jewish and am unfamiliar with any such artifact. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
benny Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 What is a "Jew Meter"? I am Jewish and am unfamiliar with any such artifact. Ex.: A chap.11 lawyer is a meter of irresponsibility. Quote
Craig1 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) What is a "Jew Meter"? I am Jewish and am unfamiliar with any such artifact. its a concept of taking from the blind and giving to the rich by tax or by fines etc. invented by the JEW some how they think we all owe them something Edited August 16, 2009 by Craig1 Quote
benny Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 its a concept of taking from the blind and giving to the rich by tax or by fines etc. invented by the JEW some how they think we all owe them something Chapter 11, bankruptcy laws are also a good method to take from the (retired) workers and to give to the capitalist parasites. Quote
Craig1 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Chapter 11, bankruptcy laws are also a good method to take from the (retired) workers and to give to the capitalist parasites. its good we finally agree on something as 99% are parasites I dont blame it on capitalism up being a socialist communist country Quote
benny Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 its good we finally agree on something as 99% are parasites I dont blame it on capitalism up being a socialist communist country Canada is a country where exist a welfare capitalism, that is, a country where politicians, on behalf of capitalists, distribute candies to appease the people. Quote
jbg Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 its a concept of taking from the blind and giving to the rich by tax or by fines etc. invented by the JEW some how they think we all owe them something And do you have evidence that a Jewish person has ever robbed a blind man? Or that Jews have a power to tax apart from their participation in minor numbers in business and government? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WestViking Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Canada is a country where exist a welfare capitalism, that is, a country where politicians, on behalf of capitalists, distribute candies to appease the people. All thanks to Chapter 11. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
benny Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 And do you have evidence that a Jewish person has ever robbed a blind man? Or that Jews have a power to tax apart from their participation in minor numbers in business and government? Learn to distinguish figurative and literal meanings. Quote
WestViking Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Learn to distinguish figurative and literal meanings. But you post neither. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
benny Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 But you post neither. I have more than 100 posts on this thread! Quote
jbg Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 I have more than 100 posts on this thread! That's just the point. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WestViking Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 I have more than 100 posts on this thread! You confuse quantity and quality my friend. We need less quantity and more quality. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
benny Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) You confuse quantity and quality my friend. We need less quantity and more quality. "we" needs at least two. Edited August 16, 2009 by benny Quote
jbg Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 "we" needs at least two. I join WestViking on this one. I reject you and Craig1. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
benny Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 I join WestViking on this one. I reject you and Craig1. quantity Quote
Charles Anthony Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Everybody, Try to maintain civility in the discussions. Avoid rude language and stop childish banter. A few posts from this thread have been deleted because they are obnoxious and a member's posting privileges have been suspended. Ch. A. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
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