Sir Bandelot Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...21?hub=Politics Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says he cannot promise sweeping changes to the employment insurance system, despite an agreement earlier this week with the Conservatives to review the program -- a deal that averted a summer election call. Ignatieff said he had no regrets about allowing the decision, although some critics said he could have forced more concessions from the government. "Coulda, shoulda, woulda -- don't want to go there, Craig," Ignatieff told Question Period host Craig Oliver. "What I'm concerned about is to see whether it's possible, with a government with whom I have serious disagreements, to get something good for Canadians." Ignatieff warned that if that there aren't sweeping changes to the system, the Liberals will be forced to "reconsider our options." "We're not going to go on and on forever here," Ignatieff said. "This thing has a fixed deadline. We must achieve results for the Canadian people. If we can't then we're going to have to reassess the situation." Can it get any more sickening? Hopefully the voting public will see this guy for what he is, a manipulative deceitful worm. Is there truly a difference in the choice between Liberal and Con? Is there even a single person of integrity among them? Quote
punked Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...21?hub=PoliticsLiberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says he cannot promise sweeping changes to the employment insurance system, despite an agreement earlier this week with the Conservatives to review the program -- a deal that averted a summer election call. Ignatieff said he had no regrets about allowing the decision, although some critics said he could have forced more concessions from the government. "Coulda, shoulda, woulda -- don't want to go there, Craig," Ignatieff told Question Period host Craig Oliver. "What I'm concerned about is to see whether it's possible, with a government with whom I have serious disagreements, to get something good for Canadians." Ignatieff warned that if that there aren't sweeping changes to the system, the Liberals will be forced to "reconsider our options." "We're not going to go on and on forever here," Ignatieff said. "This thing has a fixed deadline. We must achieve results for the Canadian people. If we can't then we're going to have to reassess the situation." Can it get any more sickening? Hopefully the voting public will see this guy for what he is, a manipulative deceitful worm. Is there truly a difference in the choice between Liberal and Con? Is there even a single person of integrity among them? Everyone even the Liberals on this board knew he would back peddle this thing. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...21?hub=PoliticsLiberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says he cannot promise sweeping changes to the employment insurance system, despite an agreement earlier this week with the Conservatives to review the program -- a deal that averted a summer election call. Ignatieff said he had no regrets about allowing the decision, although some critics said he could have forced more concessions from the government. "Coulda, shoulda, woulda -- don't want to go there, Craig," Ignatieff told Question Period host Craig Oliver. "What I'm concerned about is to see whether it's possible, with a government with whom I have serious disagreements, to get something good for Canadians." Ignatieff warned that if that there aren't sweeping changes to the system, the Liberals will be forced to "reconsider our options." "We're not going to go on and on forever here," Ignatieff said. "This thing has a fixed deadline. We must achieve results for the Canadian people. If we can't then we're going to have to reassess the situation." Can it get any more sickening? Hopefully the voting public will see this guy for what he is, a manipulative deceitful worm. Is there truly a difference in the choice between Liberal and Con? Is there even a single person of integrity among them? I disagree with Iggy on this one. Yet I can understand his desire to provide the appearance of cooperative effort with the government. If the exercise fails he is able to point the finger and say we tried but the government would not compromise. The resulting general election would then become Harpers responsibility. Quote
capricorn Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 If the exercise fails he is able to point the finger and say we tried but the government would not compromise. The resulting general election would then become Harpers responsibility. Ignatieff is beating the wrong drum. Most Canadians are not keen to see a federal election fought over employment insurance, according to a new poll.A full 60 per cent of respondents told Nanos Research the current political disagreement in Ottawa over EI reform is not important enough to trigger a federal election. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/646590 A fall election over EI will do more harm to Ignatieff than to Harper. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
myata Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) What was his "desire" to blow the whole thing when he never really intended to follow through? Let me guess... must be unabated caring for those poor recipients.. and now they gonna get whole lot more, thanks to great Iggy. What a joke! Edited June 22, 2009 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
punked Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/646590A fall election over EI will do more harm to Ignatieff than to Harper. Oh no the Liberal God the poll says something different, that means over the summer they find a way to drop this issue. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I think he should have pulled the plug and tossed the dice, but that is just me. Its his ball to call, not mine. The problem that I see is that Iggy must be seen as working toward resolving this EI issue. While doing that he must be aware of the optics of going against Harper on another area and that will raise some questions. Quote
Borg Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Iggy is a fake - no experience, transplanted American - who is simply seeking power - he will do ANYTHING to get elected - including misleading the public. He also does not know very much about politics In fact I believe him to be less capable than the other wonder kid the libs elected - Dion Borg Quote
Topaz Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 There's more than one issue here. Right or wrong, Iggy it appears to be trying to help EI without bring on an election. Do we want an election and give the chances that Harper would get a majority next time? As far as Harper is concerned, WHY isn't HE thinking of the people who can't get EI, like partimers, who may lose their job? Yes, they say they gave 5 weeks on the back end but there are people that live from pay cheque to cheque who can't wait the 2 weeks and so should have the right to ask for the two weeks up front and three back. I think Harper will only put in for employees to collect EI and nothing else. Do Canadians realize their are 697,000 collecting and I think they get around 400-450 weekly. The Military budget for Afg. was 1.2 Bil and I bet EI is up there and Harper will have to increase preniums, they only had 2 BIl in the fund. Quote
Remiel Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 ...who is simply seeking power - he will do ANYTHING to get elected - including misleading the public. He also does not know very much about politics These two ideas are incompatible. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 There are always lots of issues, the problem is the partisan factions deciding which one gets put on the front burner. It is an exercise in politics, deciding where they can get the most support by leaning this way or that way on every single issue. All spin aside, Iggy has a large and difficult task ahead of him. Funding is one but only a single part of the equation. Timing is another. No matter which way he goes there are detractors in the wings, hell I'm one of them myself. Iggy needs to consider all of his options, and I think he plans to do that this summer. Frankly I simply can't see finding agreement on the EI issue with the Conservatives, and I can't believe that he does either. I think Iggy knows how to play a good game. Waiting until fall to call the ball could be the right thing to do, but since Harper did not want a summer election thats what I would give him. By fall, the bailout packages and stimulus packages will either be seen as working or not. The EI situation will only get worse, not better. The deficit and debt will only get larger not smaller. The problems inside Harpers cabinet will become more visible, even after a shakeup. So I do understand the reasoning, I just don't think Harper should be living at 24 Sussex. Quote
Alta4ever Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Ignatieff lost big on this one, he has shown himself to be even lower on the poll then Dion when it comes to Liberal leaders. Lets review his post convention bounce less then Dion, his ability to back peddle even greater then Dion. So what is the new Liberal Leader, an aloof wishy washy Harvard professor American wanna be who's greatest virtue is that of backpedaling on ever single issue he gets called on. The only difference between Ignatieff and Dion, Ignatieff speaks clearer english. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Thats right, keep trying....some day, you'll find something I suppose. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I simply can't wait to see what position Justin Trudeau gets in the next government............ Quote
Alta4ever Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I simply can't wait to see what position Justin Trudeau gets in the next government............ hopefully it is a long time before he sees the government side of the commons. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 hopefully it is a long time before he sees the government side of the commons. How does this fall grab you? Look dude, I am an Alberta separatist and believe firmly the best route there is to have two things happen in short order. First thing is to have a Liberal Government in Ottawa, I now plan to facilitate that by voting for them! The second thing is to have another Trudeau in Ottawa. You give Justin another five years and that man will run for and acquire Liberal Party Leader status. Another Trudeau in power will have Albertans buying guns! Quote
Moonbox Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I simply can't wait to see what position Justin Trudeau gets in the next government............ I piss on the Trudeau name and everything he stood for. I'll probably leave the country if he ever becomes PM. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I piss on the Trudeau name and everything he stood for. I'll probably leave the country if he ever becomes PM.Move to Alberta then, it will be a different country! Quote
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