Obama is losing control

[JerrySeinfeld]

Has Barack Hussein backed himself into a corner?

His big teleprompter deal during tha campaign was that war isn't the answer, that all he have to do is reach out and talk to thug nations and everythig will be A-OK and that Bush is a warmonging maniac.

Nice juxtaposition. Good election tactic. People in the US were war weary and he latched onto it and rode it into the Whitehouse.

But now the thugs or the world are playing the same game they did with Carter. In the late '70's the Iranians took american citizens hostage (there are two america "hostages" in North Korea right now). Carter did jack squat. They were not released. Then Reagan was elected, and soon the boys were home.

Why? CREDIBILITY. As an American President, you don't always have to use force, but your adversaries have to think you will.

With Obama, this is a huge, problem, because the whole world knows he campaign on the image of NOT using force. Of talking.

Well the thugs know this - that all he will do is talk, not DO anything.

They detonate a NUCLEAR BOMB. Obama: this is unacceptable.

They test long range rockets (for delivering the nuke). OBAMA: This is reeally unacceptable.

They refuse to accept Obama's extended hand. OBAMA: This is really really unacceptable.

The thugs of the world know that as long as Obama talks talks talks, they can do do do. That's the difference between a guy like Bush or Reagan, and a guy like Obama or Carter.

The Obama doctrine was entirely based upon the premise that "if we're only nicer, then things will be ok". But what if these guys don't play ball? WHat if they're even bigger assholes, more evil, hate us more than even Bush knew they do?

Is there a plan B? Obama has no plan B, unless of course his plan B is Bush's plan A - but how stupid will all those crying victorious Berkely Obamatrons look then?

As things develope overseas, the more people will realize that Obama's intentional impotence is causing a bigger and more dangerous mess than what they THOUGHT was a mess under Bush, and that maybe we just live in a very dangerous world and not only was it not Bush's fault, but that his tenure actually made things better, and that now they're falling apart under Obamaman.

The more peaceful elections are held in Iraq, the more neighbouring Iranians demand the same, the more these thugs act up and get on with their plans, the more we're all going to keep seeing it: Bush Was Right.

Edited June 18, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld

[Riverwind]

The more peaceful elections are held in Iraq, the more neighbouring Iranians demand the same, the more these thugs act up and get on with their plans, the more we're all going to keep seeing it: Bush Was Right.

Obama's less adversarial approach was likely the catalyst that lead to the support for moderate candidates. If Bush was in power Adme-whatever would have won hands down.

Nor is it clear at this time that the vote was actually rigged (an Iranian Canadian I heard interviewed supports the moderate candidate, suspects foul play but acknowledged that he could be out of touch with the "average" Iranian and the election could have been fair).

North Korea is acting up because the Dear Leader had a stroke and there is an internal power struggle going on. It has nothing to do with what Obama or others are doing or not doing.

Frankly, Obama is in the process of destroying the US economy and has no opposition because the republicans self destructed and the militant foreign policy was a big part of that self destruction. It is time to stop beating that dead horse.

Edited June 18, 2009 by Riverwind

[Sir Bandelot]

Bush sent Condi Rice to North Korea and they came back all hugs and kisses. But it didn't amount to jack squat. Show me what they could do any different.

[Oleg Bach]

Bush sent Condi Rice to North Korea and they came back all hugs and kisses. But it didn't amount to jack squat. Show me what they could do any different.

Get back to you on that - or maybe right now - Condi Rice was an overly ambitious and over educated person - who was so thrilled to get a job in the big house and not have to be a field slave that she pandered to everyone --- imagine if you sent Sarah Palin to North Korea - she would get drunk with the little fat guy - stroke his pin head - give him a kiss and come back with results - we need practical human beings running the show - not careerists.

[Guthrie]

it was the Bush policy that saw the North Koreans build a dozen nukes and the Iranians add hundreds of centrifuges --- the bad state of the world wide nuclear arms race is due, totally and quite simply to the failed sabre rattling foreign policies of GW Bush

Obama has a lot of work ahead of him but he has NOT yet FAILED in ANY area --- all real Americans support the president's efforts --- but gnats will buzz around and cause annoyance because it is all they know to do

[Oleg Bach]

it was the Bush policy that saw the North Koreans build a dozen nukes and the Iranians add hundreds of centrifuges --- the bad state of the world wide nuclear arms race is due, totally and quite simply to the failed sabre rattling foreign policies of GW Bush

Obama has a lot of work ahead of him but he has NOT yet FAILED in ANY area --- all real Americans support the president's efforts --- but gnats will buzz around and cause annoyance because it is all they know to do

Bush's great line that crystalizes his foreign policy ---" Those Syrians had better stop doing that shit" - end of story ---------------let Obama talk - and I just hope that there is substance instead of just great musical tone - I want to hear the lyrics and the story --- sweet crooning might not cut it - I hope he has some brains behind him - god knows he has big ears and a small head - but a very nice singing voice ----------the brains had better be the best - and no Carl Roves need apply - a president is only as good as his advisors - and informants...Just hope there are some honest people behind the scene ----a sweet voice will only carry so long.

[Guthrie]

Bush spoke loudly, brashly and with an embarassing ignorance of history, geography, anthropology and US/International law. He didn't know who Shi'ites or Sunnis are - he couldn't find a middle-east country on a wall map without an aide guiding his finger

America rejected the failed Bush policies in a moment of clarity --- it was our only option for saving our country and maybe the world ---

now we have people worried about Obama's ear size?? I mean, I've heard of racism - but what is this, 'songism,' crud?

Edited June 18, 2009 by Guthrie

[Sir Bandelot]

I just hope that there is substance instead of just great musical tone - I want to hear the lyrics and the story --- sweet crooning might not cut it - a sweet voice will only carry so long.

I understand he's also a helluva good dancer.

[tango]

Frankly, Obama is in the process of destroying the US economy and has no opposition because the republicans self destructed and the militant foreign policy was a big part of that self destruction. It is time to stop beating that dead horse.

There is a relationship between Bush's "militant foreign policy" and the US economy.

Appears to me that Obama is trying to clean up the economic mess left by Bush's Republicans.

[Guthrie]

the US economy entered a, 'Depression,' last October -- Obama is doing as well as any human could possibly do in the first 5 months on the job

the rest of this diatribe is nothing but right wing jingoistic buck-passing

[Bonam]

I'm no fan of most left wing policies (as my posts in other threads should plainly indicate), but I say Obama deserves a bit longer of a chance before we write him off. His budget was ridiculously huge and had a vast deficit, but this seems to be the approach all western countries are taking to the recession, whether for good or ill.

And who really knows the US' true involvement in Iran? The riots are very uncharacteristic, especially for Moussavi, a firm believer in the Islamic republic. Most of the world was shocked by the scale of the unrest. Possible involvement by US covert operations, to facilitate the organization and encourage dissidents? Perhaps Obama is already implementing regime change in Iran, or maybe it was a left over ploy from the Bush era, finally coming to fruition. Probably not, but who knows.

Edited June 18, 2009 by Bonam

[JerrySeinfeld]

the US economy entered a, 'Depression,' last October -- Obama is doing as well as any human could possibly do in the first 5 months on the job

the rest of this diatribe is nothing but right wing jingoistic buck-passing

Hahahahaha. Buck passing would bee a good way to describe what Obamatrons are doing now and will continue to do into the next 4 (8?) years.

No doubt in 4 years when Kim Jong Il nukes south Korea or Japan and Al Qaeda blows up a cruise ship, the New York Times and their ilk (ie. YOU), will find a way to pin it all on GW Bush, Cheney and the all purpose left wing bogeyman, Halliburton.

Look around, the world is coming apart at the seams and Obama's playing football with his puppy in between Health Care reform and fruitless Euro-Apology tours.

Has this guy got any other cards up his sleeve other than a Tonight Show "retard" comment, "this is unacceptable" and "America: let's get impotent!" ?

He's clueless, which I suppose is to be expected from a guy with an ultra thin resume, no executive experience, no "people" to speak of (which is why he picked all his enemies for his cabinet) - oh unless you count a racist pastor and a domestic marxist terrorist bomber.

It's allllll comin' home to roost.

But hey - on the bright side he sure can give a speech and has a smile custom made for "Anderson Cooper 360"!

Nice choice America. When trouble came to bear in the world, most other nations would leave for the bathroom when that cheque arrived. Looks like under Obama, America is heading for the loo too.

God Help Us.

Edited June 18, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld

[Riverwind]

Appears to me that Obama is trying to clean up the economic mess left by Bush's Republicans.

The "mess" is the result of decades of bad policies decisions many of which were made by democrats. In fact, Bush proposed reforms to Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac in 2003 which could have potentially headed the crisis off, unfortunately, the democrats blocked it!

[bush_cheney2004]

Bush spoke loudly, brashly and with an embarassing ignorance of history, geography, anthropology and US/International law. He didn't know who Shi'ites or Sunnis are - he couldn't find a middle-east country on a wall map without an aide guiding his finger

That's why we invented GPS guided bombs.

America rejected the failed Bush policies in a moment of clarity --- it was our only option for saving our country and maybe the world ---

Same America rejected John Kerry in 2004.....the world can save itself.

now we have people worried about Obama's ear size?? I mean, I've heard of racism - but what is this, 'songism,' crud?

Yea...Bush was too "white".....Obama only half as much.

[JerrySeinfeld]

The "mess" is the result of decades of bad policies decisions many of which were made by democrats. In fact, Bush proposed reforms to Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac in 2003 which could have potentially headed the crisis off, unfortunately, the democrats blocked it!

Completely true. Probably because of "identity politics"

Every minority's gotta own a home, dontcha know!

[Pliny]

The "mess" is the result of decades of bad policies decisions many of which were made by democrats. In fact, Bush proposed reforms to Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac in 2003 which could have potentially headed the crisis off, unfortunately, the democrats blocked it!

Ultimately, the mess is the centralization of economic power. In particular the monopolization of the production of money and the consequent devaluation.

National Governments have eliminated all economic restraints upon themselves and in that accomplishment have even convinced the majority of the public that their debt is of no significance. Bankruptcy is the inevitable end.

[bush_cheney2004]

....National Governments have eliminated all economic restraints upon themselves and in that accomplishment have even convinced the majority of the public that their debt is of no significance. Bankruptcy is the inevitable end.

True, but some governments do this better than others. The current "mess" is being compared to the Great Depression, but for all practical purposes, the "mess" has only meant the cessation of aggregious practices and risk taking, all while adding still more debt. Argentina managed to screw things up far more easily without anywhere near such debt loads.

[GostHacked]

I'm no fan of most left wing policies (as my posts in other threads should plainly indicate), but I say Obama deserves a bit longer of a chance before we write him off. His budget was ridiculously huge and had a vast deficit, but this seems to be the approach all western countries are taking to the recession, whether for good or ill.

And who really knows the US' true involvement in Iran? The riots are very uncharacteristic, especially for Moussavi, a firm believer in the Islamic republic. Most of the world was shocked by the scale of the unrest. Possible involvement by US covert operations, to facilitate the organization and encourage dissidents? Perhaps Obama is already implementing regime change in Iran, or maybe it was a left over ploy from the Bush era, finally coming to fruition. Probably not, but who knows.

Almost looks like 1979 all over again. There were reports in the media last year and the year before that talked about US covert operations within Iran, and that was being stepped up.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...authorizes.html

May 22, 2007 6:29 PM

Bush_authorizes_mnThe CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert "black" operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

This article talks about disrupting Iran's financial system, but nothing aimed at the presidency itself it seems.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/29/s...w_n_109818.html

Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country's religious leadership. The covert activities involve support of the minority Ahwazi Arab and Baluchi groups and other dissident organizations. They also include gathering intelligence about Iran's suspected nuclear-weapons program.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-running-...80630-2zfu.html

US 'running $400m covert operation in Iran'

Anne Davies

July 1, 2008

ONE OF America's foremost foreign affairs reporters, Seymour Hersh, has claimed America is running a covert operation into Iran, funded by $US400 million ($A414 million) siphoned from other programs, with authorisation from Democratic congressional leaders

JErrySinefeldd

Hahahahaha. Buck passing would bee a good way to describe what Obamatrons are doing now and will continue to do into the next 4 (8?) years.

Who passed Obama the buck? Who is passin who what?

Look around, the world is coming apart at the seams and Obama's playing football with his puppy in between Health Care reform and fruitless Euro-Apology tours.

The world seems to be moving along just fine. I don't get what you are implying. If the world did not blow up under Bush, I don't think it is gonna blow up with Obama..... however, whoever the next pres will be, that will be where it starts.

[August1991]

I'm no fan of most left wing policies (as my posts in other threads should plainly indicate), but I say Obama deserves a bit longer of a chance before we write him off. His budget was ridiculously huge and had a vast deficit, but this seems to be the approach all western countries are taking to the recession, whether for good or ill.

And who really knows the US' true involvement in Iran? The riots are very uncharacteristic, especially for Moussavi, a firm believer in the Islamic republic. Most of the world was shocked by the scale of the unrest. Possible involvement by US covert operations, to facilitate the organization and encourage dissidents? Perhaps Obama is already implementing regime change in Iran, or maybe it was a left over ploy from the Bush era, finally coming to fruition. Probably not, but who knows.

That's a reasoned and reasonable (and IMV intelligent) post, Bonam. I'm with you.

The world was in far worse shape in 1939 when Chamberlain waved his Munich Agreement to the journalists, or even when Reagan refused to meet any Soviet leader between 1980 and 1985.

Anyone remember that generally stupid Vietnam war movie, Apocalypse Now? Remember that Robert Duval character with the cowboy hat and the Richard Strauss opera? He bombs the shit out of a village and then lands in his helicopter and wants to give water to one of the bombing victims. Bad cop, then good cop.

The US government has a habit of switching randomly between good and bad cops on the world stage (perhaps because the world stage just doesn't matter that much in America). Bush Jnr was the bad cop. Obama is the good cop. The two sides have their own schtick and they need the other side to work.

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As to Iran, two points. First, it is meaningless to speak of democracy or elections when the ultimate authority in a society is held by extremely dogmatic religious fanatics. Imagine the stupidest and most literal Catholic priest you have ever met and imagine him with his own personal police force of thugs that he can direct however he wants in his local parish. That's the Islamic Republic of Iran. Second, Farsi is a western language and Iranians have a western side. At present, the eastern penchant is dominant but Iran has another side to its personality and culture that, for the moment, is unseen to the outside world.

[i can't believe that I just posted this. God love the freedom of speech that the Internet allows.]

Edited June 19, 2009 by August1991

[Oleg Bach]

Not for long - the internet is a publishing device - once laws are passed that the authorities can enter into your private electroinic commincations - people will lessen in their will to speak freely.. That's just around the corner - enjoy while you can.

[Borg]

Not for long - the internet is a publishing device - once laws are passed that the authorities can enter into your private electroinic commincations - people will lessen in their will to speak freely.. That's just around the corner - enjoy while you can.

Actually you are not as far off as many will think

Monitoring is already taking place and is ramping up - enforcement under security laws will come - and relatively quickly over the next few years.

Free speech is not always free.

Zero has already done a speech recently on "preventative detention" of citizens of his own country

Once this guy is finished with the US of A, people will be happy to see him go. Zero's numbers - I believe are already lower than Bush at the same time in their preseidential careers

Zero is going to become a dangerous world influence and there will be serious internal strife in the US - racial, religious and possibly regional. That is why it is almost impossible to buy ammo or firearms in the US - they are snapped up as soon as they go on the shelf.

Borg

Edited June 20, 2009 by Borg

[KrustyKidd]

Obama is the good cop.

Explain please. Neither he, nor Bush has made any threats, promises or actions. So, how can one be a good or bad cop as Obama is simply carrying on the same policies.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Explain please. Neither he, nor Bush has made any threats, promises or actions. So, how can one be a good or bad cop as Obama is simply carrying on the same policies.

When this is all done Bush is gonna keep looking smarter and smarter.

The truth is, Obama doesn't give two shits about what happens overseas. He's too busy socialism-izing the USA. Everything else just gets in the way.

In a brilliant unintended microcosm of Obama's indifference, I was watching coverage of the mayhem in Iran. Then they broke to commercial and it was an ad about reforming health care.

[BubberMiley]

That is why it is almost impossible to buy ammo or firearms in the US - they are snapped up as soon as they go on the shelf.

While NRA nuts said this would happen during the election, it didn't. Do you get your facts from a source, or do you just imagine them?

http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/new...gle_column.html

[daniel]

While NRA nuts said this would happen during the election, it didn't. ...

They aren't the only nuts. This thread should be re-titled "Rightwingers are losing control". Have you seen some of those wacko threads? It's as if GWB never existed.

Edited June 23, 2009 by daniel