Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Then it is about Gerrard's leadership rather than their platform because you would have to tell me what areas you thought were weak because many analysts believed it was the stronger and more centrist of the platforms. It may very well have been, but just like the federal NDP, the provincial Liberals need a new leader. The problem for the Liberals in Manitoba lies in the fact that we have 3 middle of the road parties. I would say that the provincial Liberals are more to the left than their federal cousins....and I really don't see them as connecting with people.....the only provincial leader that does that is Doer. There is currently no federal leader even close to the Doer level. Quote
jdobbin Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 It may very well have been, but just like the federal NDP, the provincial Liberals need a new leader. Hard to get someone to take on the job until Doer is gone. It takes a long time to develop a leader. Remember how long it took for Gary Doer? A long time. Same for Filmon. Gerrard has done a lot to rebuild party financing and its policy platform. He is one of the hardest working MLAs in the House and well liked by most people. He just isn't a superstar. The problem for the Liberals in Manitoba lies in the fact that we have 3 middle of the road parties. I would say that the provincial Liberals are more to the left than their federal cousins.... Their policy platform certainly doesn't indicate farther left. and I really don't see them as connecting with people.....the only provincial leader that does that is Doer. There is currently no federal leader even close to the Doer level. Well, we don't have a populist at the federal level. I wonder what the NDP will be like when Doer leaves. There are no real superstars in the bunch. Quote
punked Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I wonder what the NDP will be like when Doer leaves. There are no real superstars in the bunch. Bill Blaikie is awesome. Quote
Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I'm thinking it will be between Blaikie and Theresa Oswald.....depending on how the current inquiry goes. Quote
Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I'm a member of the Federal Liberal party because I believe in the ideas that they bring forward. I'm a Liberal first, but I can't always vote along party lines. When a new leader takes over the Manitoba NDP, I might not vote for them, it really depends on who it is and what they propose. Right now, at the federal level, I think that Ignatieff is the best of the bunch, but I don't think that he's a Chretien or what Martin could have been given the chance. I could be proven wrong, but at the current time, I think that the provincial NDP and the federal Liberals are the best choice. The biggest plus for me with Ignatieff is the vision that we seem to share for Canada. A nation of nations all living together (the country as it exists today strengthened). I don't agree with him on everything, but I do agree with him on a large enough number of issues that I will vote for my party this election (unlike last election). At the provincial level, I really like Gary Doer. He does what's right for the province for the most part and he has done very well for us. He is a very middle of the road person (a social democrat) and he's doing what needs to be done to move us forward. I used to feel the same way about Winnipeg Mayor Sam Katz (Conservative), but the recent campaign funding spat has really lessened my opinion of him. He and the Premier used to work well together, but I'm not sure that it can continue now. Anyway....that's simply my view. Quote
jdobbin Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) Bill Blaikie is awesome. He is a superstar in his riding. To be honest, he isn't that well known outside of it and he hasn't had a major portfolio handed to him in the legislature to help with enhancing his profile. Edited June 17, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
jdobbin Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 I'm thinking it will be between Blaikie and Theresa Oswald.....depending on how the current inquiry goes. Oswald could be the next leader. She is no superstar though and might find it as challenging as many female leaders have in Canada to translate party leadership to becoming premier. That is a fact in any province in the nation. Quote
Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I agree with that....but until the other two parties change their leaders, I doubt I'll be voting for them (and after what the PCs did to this province....it'll be a cold day in hell for them). Quote
punked Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 He is a superstar in his riding. To be honest, he isn't that well known outside of it and he hasn't had a major portfolio handed to him in the legislature to help with enhance it. He is a super star across Canada. When out campaigning for the NDP in NS people would talk about him at a Federal Level and Doer at a provincial level with out being prompted and you would be like "you know who these guys are?" The guy has ideas, and people know him. At the federal level he has handled almost all major critic areas and if you talk to him you know you are talking to someone who knows their stuff. Mark my words he has only been on the provincial beat for a few months but the man is a superstar. Quote
jdobbin Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 At the provincial level, I really like Gary Doer. He does what's right for the province for the most part and he has done very well for us. He is a very middle of the road person (a social democrat) and he's doing what needs to be done to move us forward. I used to feel the same way about Winnipeg Mayor Sam Katz (Conservative), but the recent campaign funding spat has really lessened my opinion of him. He and the Premier used to work well together, but I'm not sure that it can continue now. Katz can't separate himself from his businesses. The issue with the parking lot and his less than transparent disclosure of what he owns and where he gets payments is a slap in the face. The fact that he says his baseball team doesn't make money and how he listed his ex-wife as a consultant even though she said in a sworn statement that she didn't do a lick of work makes me think of the business operators that ran the city in early 1900s. Katz is very light on vision for the city. He can thank Martin for money that still flows for infrastructure through the gas tax and to Doer who has given the city money for not having everything crumble around our ears. Quote
Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 He'll probably get a cabinet post at the next shuffle. Quote
jdobbin Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 He is a super star across Canada. When out campaigning for the NDP in NS people would talk about him at a Federal Level and Doer at a provincial level with out being prompted and you would be like "you know who these guys are?" The guy has ideas, and people know him. At the federal level he has handled almost all major critic areas and if you talk to him you know you are talking to someone who knows their stuff. Mark my words he has only been on the provincial beat for a few months but the man is a superstar. If you say so. He is no Gary Doer. I have seen Doer walk into a grocery store and be swarmed. I have seen Blaikie do the same thing and it just doesn't happen. Quote
Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Gary Doer is like Obama....he just doesn't speak quite as well. Quote
Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Election Over: Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff have agreed to study employment insurance reform during the summer months, a report says, as the two men get ready to hold a second day of talks Wednesday aimed at preventing a summer election. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/06/17/...f-talks017.html Quote
Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I don't care what people say....they're both doing the right thing here in my opinion. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I don't care what people say....they're both doing the right thing here in my opinion. Sure they are! That doesn't mean that on Friday there will not be a non-confidence vote. The smart move here is to ambush the Conservatives. Talk all week, then drop the hammer on Friday. Harper is in a corner, he will take the hits that are coming from all directions. Opposition parties are having a field day, they can smell the blood in the water. Quote
normanchateau Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 The smart move here is to ambush the Conservatives. Wishful thinking. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff have agreed to study employment insurance reform during the summer months, a report says, as the two men get ready to hold a second day of talks Wednesday aimed at preventing a summer election. Ignatieff is starting to look a lot like Dion. He just got punked. Quote The government should do something.
daniel Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 We have a new coalition, folks. And this time Harper isn't screaming "undemocratic." Quote
Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Ignatieff got punked? Really? I would say that both Harper and Ignatieff come out of this looking good. They did the responsible thing. Quote
ToadBrother Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Ignatieff got punked? Really? I would say that both Harper and Ignatieff come out of this looking good. They did the responsible thing. Everybody got punked... nobody got punked. I like to look at this way, Canada now has two Prime Ministers. Quote
capricorn Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I like to look at this way, Canada now has two Prime Ministers. With the announcement of the blue ribbon panel to study changes to EI, it looks to me like the PM is quite comfortable with sharing the stature of his office with Ignatieff. How else would you explain that this committee will have an equal number of nominees from both parties. With the seat distribution in the House, the Conservative should have dibs on selecting twice the number of representatives on the panel as the Liberals. The only way I can rationalize this imbalance is that Harper is somehow convinced that Ignatieff will name committee members who are sympathetic to the Conservatives' views on how to amend EI. Things are so crazy on the Hill, maybe this was part of the deal to stop this talk of a summer election. Even crazier to imagine, but one of the leaders might select a representative with NDP leanings to gain favour with the party. It's no wonder they call it the silly season on Parliament Hill. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 Ignatieff is starting to look a lot like Dion.He just got punked. And the Harper will call the election themselves before the next Commons session begins? Wow. I guess we all good hoodwinked. Quote
madmax Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Everybody got punked... nobody got punked.I like to look at this way, Canada now has two Prime Ministers. Ouch... because these guys suck. To Set the Record Straight.... BOO! Unfortuneately, Ignatief couldn't muster all three letters... B....before caving in 20 minutes into his press conference... it was all over and friday threat is completely gone. Ignatieff and Harper are now going to sit down, order some Lattes and some steak dinners and the taxpayers tab and spend all summer meeting and eating, talking and drinking about all the poor unemployed people. Rather then putting their sorry little asses in gear.... these guys are not going to continue working, because.... summer lovin... down in the sand... summer lovin...iggy holdin my hand... my a grit... cute as can be.... can't believe... he's a torie... summer lovin driftin away but... alll oh those summmmmer nnnnni...iggghtttts Tell me more.... tell me more.... Quote
Remiel Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Awww... I really wanted a Summer election, though I admit it is for purely selfish reasons. I really do not want to have another semester screwed up by an election, and also I rather would have liked to get to know things in my Home riding, which is rural, rather than the urban riding I helped out in last year. Quote
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