Election 2009

[punked]

I'd love to see an election now if for no other reason than to see the NDP face the polls in their own ridings.

Yeah we are going to lose seats. But that is life and we are standing our ground in the face of some pretty shitty poll numbers. See their is the Liberal party who says they will do a lot and do very little or the NDP who spend their time working. Don't believe me check it out the party with 10% of the seats has put forward half the bills.

http://www.howdtheyvote.ca/bills.php?s=10

Or how about having 7 of the top 10 speakers in the house?

http://www.howdtheyvote.ca/member-stats.php?s=10&o=w_d

I am proud of my party they stand for something and that is work. Someone has to do, god knows Iggy isn't he is too busy campaigning and offering us nothing.

[jdobbin]

Yeah we are going to lose seats. But that is life and we are standing our ground in the face of some pretty shitty poll numbers. See their is the Liberal party who says they will do a lot and do very little or the NDP who spend their time working. Don't believe me check it out the party with 10% of the seats has put forward half the bills.

I thought it didn't matter to you how many bills a party put forward?

Or how about having 7 of the top 10 speakers in the house?

Yes, I have seen how the NDP can talk.

I am proud of my party they stand for something and that is work. Someone has to do, god knows Iggy isn't he is too busy campaigning and offering us nothing.

Until the NDP actually is closer to what some of its provincial counterparts are, they will continue to struggle.

[punked]

I thought it didn't matter to you how many bills a party put forward?

Not sure where that comes from but it is part of the bigger picture. That is the NDP take being part of the government seriously while the Liberals just diddle and wait for their chance to govern.

[jdobbin]

Not sure where that comes from but it is part of the bigger picture. That is the NDP take being part of the government seriously while the Liberals just diddle and wait for their chance to govern.

I told you that the Liberals and Opposition in Manitoba were responsible for initiating half the bills in the province last year. I pointed out to you that the NDP in Manitoba routinely adopt Liberal bills. I even sent a link to indicate that but you dismissed it.

In the end, it isn't how many bills introduced but how many can navigate their way to legislation.

[punked]

I told you that the Liberals and Opposition in Manitoba were responsible for initiating half the bills in the province last year. I pointed out to you that the NDP in Manitoba routinely adopt Liberal bills. I even sent a link to indicate that but you dismissed it.

In the end, it isn't how many bills introduced but how many can navigate their way to legislation.

Nope that isn't what I said I think you need to go back and reread the thread I said "I don't believe the 2 Liberals or 4% of the Legislature came up with half the bills" and then I asked you to prove it. You didn't and I kept believing you were vastly over estimating.

[jdobbin]

Nope that isn't what I said I think you need to go back and reread the thread I said "I don't believe the 2 Liberals or 4% of the Legislature came up with half the bills" and then I asked you to prove it. You didn't and I kept believing you were vastly over estimating.

I said that half of last year's bills that went on to become legislation started off as Opposition bills. The Liberals introduced the majority of those bills.

The list is here:

http://web2.gov.mb.ca/bills/39-3/index.php

This isn't any secret in Manitoba.

Even now, the provincial NDP are dropping Liberal bills with all likelihood of adopting them later.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/no-...s-46802897.html

Liberal Leader Jon Gerrard said he saw no reason why the bill shouldn't have been approved by the NDP majority as it would reduce the number of injuries to children in car crashes and reduce costs to the health-care system.

The bill would have mandated older children to use a booster seat until they're big enough to use a regular seatbelt.

"There's a safety issue here," Gerrard said. "This is legislation which is now in seven provinces."

A spokesman for the Manitoba Car Seat Coalition said it will lobby the NDP to change their minds.

And they may do that. The Doer government has a history of reworking opposition private member's bills into their own legislation.

Edited June 16, 2009 by jdobbin

[punked]

I said that half of last year's bills that went on to become legislation started off as Opposition bills. The Liberals introduced the majority of those bills.

The list is here:

http://web2.gov.mb.ca/bills/39-3/index.php

This isn't any secret in Manitoba.

Even now, the provincial NDP are dropping Liberal bills with all likelihood of adopting them later.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/no-...s-46802897.html

Again some wicked Liberal math here. 20 of 71 bills which aint too bad mind you for 2 guys, is not half. It isn't even close it is like 27% that is why I asked you to prove it cause I knew you were grossly over estimating. I also noticed most of those bills by the Liberals haven't gotten out of first reading things like "The Greenhouse Gas Emissions Reporting Act" wont go through.

http://www.gov.mb.ca/legislature/bills/billstatus.pdf

[jdobbin]

Again some wicked Liberal math here. 20 of 71 bills which aint too bad mind you for 2 guys, is not half. It isn't even close it is like 27% that is why I asked you to prove it cause I knew you were grossly over estimating. I also noticed most of those bills by the Liberals haven't gotten out of first reading things like "The Greenhouse Gas Emissions Reporting Act" wont go through.

http://www.gov.mb.ca/legislature/bills/billstatus.pdf

You have to remember some of these bills were introduced in the last session, were dropped and then reworked in this session.

As I said, this isn't news to people who live in Manitoba.

The NDP in Manitoba is pretty risk adverse. They can't even put forward legislation on simple things as listed in the Free Press link.

Edited June 16, 2009 by jdobbin

[Smallc]

That's because the Liberal Party of Manitoba is the federal NDP of Manitoba politics...a joke. They come up with things that so many people don't care about and at the stick to them for weeks....just like the federal NDP. These are the reasons that come next election, I will vote NDP in Manitoba and Liberal federally. I like my governments middle of the road, sensible, and pragmatic.

[jdobbin]

That's because the Liberal Party of Manitoba is the federal NDP of Manitoba politics...a joke. They come up with things that so many people don't care about and at the stick to them for weeks....just like the federal NDP. These are the reasons that come next election, I will vote NDP in Manitoba and Liberal federally. I like my governments middle of the road, sensible, and pragmatic.

And which legislation are you referring to that is a joke? In the last election, the Liberal platform was considered to be more middle of the road. Or have you forgotten?

[punked]

That's because the Liberal Party of Manitoba is the federal NDP of Manitoba politics...a joke. They come up with things that so many people don't care about and at the stick to them for weeks....just like the federal NDP. These are the reasons that come next election, I will vote NDP in Manitoba and Liberal federally. I like my governments middle of the road, sensible, and pragmatic.

Then you might want to reconsider you vote for Iggy who believes in the "Lesser of two evils approach" ie. Torture is fine and well as long as it isn't done to our people and it tells us something, or War in Iraq is necessary becuase "you have to get them over there so we don't fight them over here". I recommend you read his book "the lesser evil".

http://www.amazon.com/Lesser-Evil-Politica...7713&sr=8-2

[punked]

You have to remember some of these bills were introduced in the last session, were dropped and then reworked in this session.

As I said, this isn't news to people who live in Manitoba.

The NDP in Manitoba is pretty risk adverse. They can't even put forward legislation on simple things as listed in the Free Press link.

Really Smallc lives in Manitoba seems like news to her, and she seems pretty in touch will politics. Could it be your are exaggerating to make the Liberals look better? No you would never do that not like someone who would say they introduce half the bills when it is only a quarter or something.

[jdobbin]

Really Smallc lives in Manitoba seems like news to her, and she seems pretty in touch will politics. Could it be your are exaggerating to make the Liberals look better? No you would never do that not like someone who would say they introduce half the bills when it is only a quarter or something.

I said that the Opposition which includes the Liberals introduced half the bills last year. Did you count the Tory bills introduced as well?

I count 34 bills then out 71 and when I first mentioned that half the legislation started off as Opposition bills a week or so ago, it was 69 bills including the Oath of Office act which is just opening of business.

Half the bills are opposition bills and the majority of those are Liberals. Many of the bills you point to so proudly on the NDP side started off a Liberals ones last session.

Edited June 17, 2009 by jdobbin

[punked]

I said that the Opposition which includes the Liberals introduced half the bills last year. Did you count the Tory bills introduced as well?

I count 34 bills then out 71 and when I first mentioned that half the legislation started off as Opposition bills a week or so ago, it was 69 bills including the Oath of Office act which is just opening of business.

Half the bills are opposition bills and the majority of those are Liberals. Many of the bills you point to so proudly on the NDP side started off a Liberals ones last session.

I count 37 of 71 for the NDP. Considering they have been power for 10 years and have to do large things like write the budget I think that aint too bad. As for your last claim I say PROVE IT.

[jdobbin]

I count 37 of 71 for the NDP. Considering they have been power for 10 years and have to do large things like write the budget I think that aint too bad. As for your last claim I say PROVE IT.

Apologist for the NDP. They are risk adverse and as the Free Press points out, they adopt Opposition bills regularly.

[punked]

Apologist for the NDP. They are risk adverse and as the Free Press points out, they adopt Opposition bills regularly.

I would assume when you have been in power for 10 years and have passed many bills you have done a lot of what you need to do to change the province. So you don't pass as many bills into law and instead focus on staying the course. The course which Manitoba seems to be doing very well. Again PROVE IT. Just because you keep saying something does not make it true it makes it spin until someone says prove it then it is a challenge.

[jdobbin]

I would assume when you have been in power for 10 years and have passed many bills you have done a lot of what you need to do to change the province. So you don't pass as many bills into law and instead focus on staying the course. The course which Manitoba seems to be doing very well. Again PROVE IT. Just because you keep saying something does not make it true it makes it spin until someone says prove it then it is a challenge.

You wouldn't believe it even if it was in front of your face. You have seen quite plainly that when I made the initial claim that half the legislation introduced came from the Opposition. I have proved that. I also proved that the majority of the Opposition bills from the Liberals.

You apologize for their very risk adverse approach and say it has to do with being in power so long. It looks like a tired party in that regard.

I'm sure you will spin things as such that your party is all and out brilliant in Manitoba but routinely we see bills dropped that were introduced by the Opposition and re-introduced later on.

[punked]

You wouldn't believe it even if it was in front of your face. You have seen quite plainly that when I made the initial claim that half the legislation introduced came from the Opposition. I have proved that. I also proved that the majority of the Opposition bills from the Liberals.

You apologize for their very risk adverse approach and say it has to do with being in power so long. It looks like a tired party in that regard.

I'm sure you will spin things as such that your party is all and out brilliant in Manitoba but routinely we see bills dropped that were introduced by the Opposition and re-introduced later on.

What I saw was a twisting of the facts. NDP 37 out of 71 bills clearly more then half were introduced by the NDP, which means the Opposition could not have introduced half the bills. Then I ask you to prove you claim and there is no proof from you just a spin to your talking point. PROVE IT!

[jdobbin]

What I saw was a twisting of the facts. NDP 37 out of 71 bills clearly more then half were introduced by the NDP, which means the Opposition could not have introduced half the bills. Then I ask you to prove you claim and there is no proof from you just a spin to your talking point. PROVE IT!

I did prove it. When I first made the claim, more than half the bills came via the Opposition. I expect when Opposition days occur again, we will see that happen once more.

[Smallc]

Her?

[punked]

Her?

I can never tell gender on the interwebz and saying it seemed weird.

[Smallc]

I offended the New Democrat and the Liberal...lol. Seriously though, I really can't take Jack Layton or Dr. Gerrard seriously in their role....I just can't.

Edited June 17, 2009 by Smallc

[Smallc]

I can never tell gender on the interwebz and saying it seemed weird.

Although....When I take gender tests, I'm always on the border line....and a little to the side of girl lol...so you weren't far off....haha.

Edited June 17, 2009 by Smallc

[jdobbin]

I offended the New Democrat and the Liberal...lol. Seriously though, I really can't take Jack Layton or Dr. Gerrard seriously in their role....I just can't.

Then it is about Gerrard's leadership rather than their platform because you would have to tell me what areas you thought were weak because many analysts believed it was the stronger and more centrist of the platforms.

[Smallc]

I also have to say that I'm not terribly fond of the choices at the Federal level overall. It really is a lesser evils thing in reality right now.