Our Mendacious President, Barack Hussein Obama

[JerrySeinfeld]

Yes, reaching out is such a terrible thing. Today's speech was historic, and I think that history will remember it well. The idea that it's just fine to hate someone else because of who they are or what they believe just doesn't work, and your president seems to understand that.

I think when we speak about this subject you need to keep in mind that in large part, the "hating of someone else because of who they are or what they believe" comes mostly from the Muslim side of things. Sure, lefties love to talk about the lack of tolerance over here, but the reality is that after 9-11, the first thing virtually every leader in the western world did was visit a mosque - an odd choice from where I sit.

One of the key problems with entering into "discussions" with Islamic society is the - MAJOR - assumption that they want wwhat we do: peace and mutual existence.

In many cases, this is not the case at all and it's a weakness to assume everyone in the world sees the world as we do. We are a multicultural society. We choose to accept other peoples' beliefs, religions, lifestyles (to a point). But this is not a global phenomenon. In fact, it's unique to the west and only the west.

You can't go to Saudi Arabia and be "multi cultural". Try converting from Islam to christianity in one of those countries and you're liable to end up with no head.

You can't blame Obama for giving it a shot, and even for trying a different appraoch, but that doesn't mean anything is truly going to change on the ground. They still pin up pictures of martyrs in convenience stores in the west bank, and childeeren are often encourged to blow themselves up to kill the evil jew.

It is a common and arrogant mistakee made by the left: that every other society sees our John Lennon Imagine society as the most desirable and that if we only showeeed them how much we want to apologize to them and be nice, then we'd all live happily ever after. It's actually a warped form of racism to look at brown people and simply those that haven't yet discovered how much we all need to sit in a circle and sing cumbaya and it is us (Obama) who will show them the way. It's naive, because much of Islam doesn't see us as a great society orr even equals, but rather as inferior disgusting pigs that either need to learn how to live like they do or be defeated. The interesting thing is, they WILL defeat the weaker west, because they are willing to take their cause to the ultimate sacrifice for generations on end, while our side get's bored and wants to "pull out troops" after just a few years. At least Bush had some staying power, but now that Obama's in charge, you can bet his constant apologies, acquiescance and concessions will continue to feed their belief that we are weak, inferior and defeatable.

As the leader of Hezbollah once said, but hardly ever mentioned by Obamatrons: "we are not fighting to win something in a negotiation with you. we are fighting to eliminate you."

Edited June 5, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld

[Smallc]

Oh blah blah blah. You paint an entire civilization with a negative brush. I'm tired of lsiteing to right wing negativity. No harm can come from trying to make peace...and to say that many muslims don't want peace is to be completely ignorant.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Oh blah blah blah. You paint an entire civilization with a negative brush. I'm tired of lsiteing to right wing negativity. No harm can come from trying to make peace...and to say that many muslims don't want peace is to be completely ignorant.

No I didn't. If you understood what I wrote, I actually painted them with a POSITIVE brush and US with a negative one.

They are the strong, self confident ones. WE are the weak apologetic self-flagellators. And Obama's speech will be viewed by many Muslims in precisely this way.

Think about it.

When the twin towers fell, they danced in the streets. And now Obama's on the scene to say "we're sorry"

[Smallc]

They are the strong, self confident ones. WE are the weak apologetic self-flagellators. And Obama's speech will be viewed by many Muslims in precisely this way.

That wasn't what his speech was about at all. Even if you heard it, you can't have been listening.

[JerrySeinfeld]

That wasn't what his speech was about at all. Even if you heard it, you can't have been listening.

You're missing the point. What Obama'ss speech expressed is tantamount to a beaten wrestler submissive, beaten and on the floor face down on the mat saying "can we talk this out?"

Why should they? Thee future is Islamic.

Edited June 5, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld

[GostHacked]

Indonesia is not too bad to live in... as long as you have more money than the local people (not very hard to accomplish).

Malaysia also isn't too bad either.

I'd even say Turkey would be an alright place to live as well. I know a few Turks.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I'd even say Turkey would be an alright place to live as well. I know a few Turks.

I'd say lebanon, Iran, Suadi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jordan, Syria and Egypt would be great if you're a man...especially if you're not one of those "one woman" kind of guys, or if you like to beat up or rape your wives, seeing as it's legal in most of these countries.

Edited June 5, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld

[jbg]

I'd say lebanon, Iran, Suadi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jordan, Syria and Egypt would be great if you're a man...especially if you're not one of those "one woman" kind of guys, or if you like to beat up or rape your wives, seeing as it's legal in most of these countries.

Like Arer, I think Tunisia and Afghanistan are great vacation destinations. Ditto Pakistan.

[BubberMiley]

Like Arer, I think Tunisia and Afghanistan are great vacation destinations. Ditto Pakistan.

So your "respect" for Islam is about as truthful as your "left-wing" perspective. Or your "lack of knowledge" about Canada, where you've "never lived."

[Chuck U. Farlie]

I'd say lebanon, Iran, Suadi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jordan, Syria and Egypt would be great if you're a man...especially if you're not one of those "one woman" kind of guys, or if you like to beat up or rape your wives, seeing as it's legal in most of these countries.

Unlike some of these, in Indonesia you can drink whenever you want anywhere you want. In fact there are even fewer drinking laws than in the nanny state that is Canada/Ontario. You can also eat pork if you want, and you are not segregated from the population - you can live and mingle anywhere and you can talk to every woman you see - unlike some of those countries you mentioned.

My only complaint with the level of islam in Indonesia is the number of neighbourhood mosques that blare the morning prayer... hard to find a place where you can sleep properly at 5am.

[GostHacked]

I'd say lebanon, Iran, Suadi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jordan, Syria and Egypt would be great if you're a man...especially if you're not one of those "one woman" kind of guys, or if you like to beat up or rape your wives, seeing as it's legal in most of these countries.

Nice to slide in the wife rape at the end. Making it illegal still does not prevent it from happening. One image that comes into my head when I hear wife rape is a fat white man in a dirty undershirt.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Nice to slide in the wife rape at the end. Making it illegal still does not prevent it from happening. One image that comes into my head when I hear wife rape is a fat white man in a dirty undershirt.

Yea you're right. I say we "get with the times" and strike gang rape from the books. And heck, while we\re at it let's sentence the woman to 60 lashes and 6 months in prison for "consorting with the wrong man".

Would that be "tolerant" enough for ya?

[GostHacked]

Yea you're right. I say we "get with the times" and strike gang rape from the books. And heck, while we\re at it let's sentence the woman to 60 lashes and 6 months in prison for "consorting with the wrong man".

Would that be "tolerant" enough for ya?

Indeed, I say we start another crusade !!! Aahahahahah, no.

Rape happens all over the place. Even western marriages see it. Most of rape is simply not reported as criminal activity because most go to the hospital and not the cops first.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Indeed, I say we start another crusade !!! Aahahahahah, no.

Rape happens all over the place. Even western marriages see it. Most of rape is simply not reported as criminal activity because most go to the hospital and not the cops first.

Yea. So let's legalize it and make sure we sentence any woman who reports a rape to prison time. Then we could be just like Saudi Arabia!

This is a pretty funny take by you. It's similar to the left's take on nukes:

1985: "We're appalled by nucleear weapons/rape. It needs to be eradicated"

2009 eurocool: "Nuclear weeapons?/legalized rape? heck, everyone's doin it, so what's the big deal?"

Edited June 6, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld

[Oleg Bach]

Rape by design was made to destroy the woman's ability to fuction as a wife, partner and mother - hence destroying the culture - It's war fair - If a husband has to rape his wife - he's not much of a man - and has not the skill of gentle seduction - To pass a law letting men rape wives is passing a law that allows men not to be real men - but weasils.

[Smallc]

You're missing the point. What Obama'ss speech expressed is tantamount to a beaten wrestler submissive, beaten and on the floor face down on the mat saying "can we talk this out?'

You're missing the point, that's not what it's about at all. Talking something out is not admitting defeat. Attitudes like the one that you hold ensure that people will kill eachother for years to come.

[Oleg Bach]

You know what it's really like? It's like giving encouragement and praise to a horrible kid --"you are a good boy - but sometimes bad boys do bad things but they are in the core good" - Obama is pandering to the Muslims -hoping that some good might come out of these barbarians - that want to kill in the name of God ---maybe he should be straight with them and say ---- "our godly people are very private about prayer and mediation - we do not gather like clustered insects and circle around a monolith at Mecca - that houses a small black meteroite"

[jbg]

Yea you're right. I say we "get with the times" and strike gang rape from the books. And heck, while we\re at it let's sentence the woman to 60 lashes and 6 months in prison for "consorting with the wrong man".

Would that be "tolerant" enough for ya?

Ain't it funny how they're for "tolerance" when that would harm core Western values yet support Islamofascism?

[Oleg Bach]

Ain't it funny how they're for "tolerance" when that would harm core Western values yet support Islamofascism?

I don't get it - a woman gets raped then she is persecute for 'being a temptress' - This is not saying much for Islamic manhood..that they are so weak the the sight of a bare ankle brings them to insanity. What male can consider himself a true and noble male - if he believes himself to be as helpless as a child when in the presense of a woman? Has anyone told the Muslims that they are not behaving in a manly manner = that perhaps they are behaving like screaming girly hetro-fags when they stone a woman?

[KrustyKidd]

You're missing the point, that's not what it's about at all. Talking something out is not admitting defeat. Attitudes like the one that you hold ensure that people will kill eachother for years to come.

I lean right on most things and while I noted that while he did appoligise on his last tour he certainly did not in this speech. If anything, it seemed he took deliberate care not to.

As a side note, I origionally thought it was a very good speech which masked the continuation of the Bush policies which he is certainly doing however, after much reflection, the place, content and emphasis led me to believe it is a strategic volly designed to alienate Iran by building a sort of political EU around Egypt with the peace process as a cornerstone.

We shall see what happens after Mubarak and Netanyahu visit Washinton later this month.

[Smallc]

I lean right on most things and while I noted that while he did appoligise on his last tour he certainly did not in this speech.

He did apologize for some things in his last tour. Many Americans seem to think that apology is a sign of weakness. That couldn't be further from the truth. No country is perfect, and admitting it is a sign of strength. WE learn from our mistakes only when we recognize them.

The US has done many good things in the world and some bad things. The good doesn't mean that the bad doesn't exist. By showing the world that the US knows that it's fallible, they can show the world that they are neither arrogant nor ignorant. If building bridges can help build a safer and kinder world, then I'm all for what Obama is trying to do.

[JerrySeinfeld]

We shall see what happens after Mubarak and Netanyahu visit Washinton later this month.

Yay another white house lawn photo op while Iran gets on with it. Carter in spades.

[JerrySeinfeld]

You're missing the point, that's not what it's about at all. Talking something out is not admitting defeat. Attitudes like the one that you hold ensure that people will kill eachother for years to come.

Oh really? When a society's fundamental construction flies in the face of virtually every tenet that your society holds dear, playing nice usually doesn't end well. Their motivations are different than ours. Just ask Chamberlain how the "obama" strategy plays out.

Under Bush, Libya gave up their weapons plans. Iraq became a relatively peaceful democracy. The taliban was ousted from their murderous mysoginist rule in Afghanistan.

SO far under Obama, we have Iran marching toward a nuke, North Korea detonating nukes, firing rockets and testing short range missiles.

And he wants to give speeches. "The great orator" is getting a good lesson in the difference between talking and doing.

He talks.

They do.

[Smallc]

They leap....Obama thinks. Obama is already doing much better.

[bush_cheney2004]

....The US has done many good things in the world and some bad things. The good doesn't mean that the bad doesn't exist. By showing the world that the US knows that it's fallible, they can show the world that they are neither arrogant nor ignorant. If building bridges can help build a safer and kinder world, then I'm all for what Obama is trying to do.

So when do the world's other nations join in this great truth confession? The USA is very arrogant, and as ignorant as it chooses to be. Obama cannot change that.