Gays Tracking Down Financial Donors to Prop. 8

[sharkman]

Talk about not respecting the democratic process, and mind you, in a national climate where other states are deciding to give marriage rights to gays. Now we get this, gays are actually hunting down people who donated to support the Proposition 8 campaign, and threatening them as well as 'outing' their contribution.

Gays going rogue.

Some donors to groups supporting the measure have received death threats and envelopes containing a powdery white substance, and their businesses have been boycotted.

The targets of this harassment blame a controversial and provocative Web site, eightmaps.com.

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A college professor from the University of California, San Francisco, wrote a $100 check in support of Proposition 8 in August, because he said he supported civil unions for gay couples but did not want to change the traditional definition of marriage. He has received many confrontational e-mail messages, some anonymous, since eightmaps listed his donation and employer. One signed message blasted him for supporting the measure and was copied to a dozen of his colleagues and supervisors at the university, he said.

Now let us suppose that supporters of traditional marriage tracked down gays who had given to the campaign opposing Proposition 8. They threatened them, sent envelopes with white powder, and outed them to their workplaces. Do you think that these same gay groups responsible for this despicable behavior would think it wrong then?

[GTL]

As long as their are opposing beliefs on the planet you will see bs like this, it's not really surprising.

George Tiller was killed by a man with anti-abortion beliefs.

Suicide bombers in Iraq kill for a religious belief.

The Cold War was a battle of political belief.

Death threats and white powder is bad, but at least they aren't killing people. That doesn't justify their actions, but Californian voters should be thankful these violent gays aren't bombing their businesses or cutting brake lines. Comparatively, gay rights hasn't been nearly so violent as say, Civil Rights.

[Shady]

Some donors to groups supporting the measure have received death threats and envelopes containing a powdery white substance, and their businesses have been boycotted.

That's straight-up terrorism.

[Smallc]

I suppose you're hoping that we'll defend wrongdoing...good luck.

[GTL]

I suppose you're hoping that we'll defend wrongdoing...good luck.

These actions are indefensible and wrong of course. They should not have happened, they should not continue to happen. My point was that when put into perspective these are pretty mellow actions.

[Smallc]

Well yes, they are, but they are wrong, and I never really thought that you were defending them as right. The person who called these people terrorists, I wonder how he feels about the murder of Dr. Tiller?

[GTL]

Well yes, they are, but they are wrong, and I never really thought that you were defending them as right. The person who called these people terrorists, I wonder how he feels about the murder of Dr. Tiller?

Or the KKK?

Or the '97 Atlanta Gay and Lesbian club bombing?

Or the bombings of Dr. Tiller's facilities, or the fact that he'd already been shot twice?

Lowest common denominator: Christian terrorism in the US.

[Smallc]

Given those examples, I'm not sure how people can describe radical Chirstian (and I use that term with reservation in this case) fundamentalists as non violent.

[GTL]

Given those examples, I'm not sure how people can describe radical Chirstian (and I use that term with reservation in this case) fundamentalists as non violent.

I find it totally hypocritical and dumbfounding, how every other extremist group has been demonized to the point where even a skin color or language labels/alienates a person but Christian terrorism continues, on US soil mind you, everyday. THIS IS MADNESS! THIS IS AMURIKAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Edited June 2, 2009 by GTL

[Shady]

The person who called these people terrorists, I wonder how he feels about the murder of Dr. Tiller?

Dr. Tiller "the baby killer" was murdered. It wasn't necessarily terrorism, but definitely homocide.

[Smallc]

Dr. Tiller the baby killer.... Alright then Bill. He only performed late term aboritons when he had the opinion of two other physicians that it was necessary....but of course the facts should never get in the way.

[Shady]

He only performed late term aboritons when he had the opinion of two other physicians that it was necessary

That's not true. But in any event, let me borrow a phrase you posted in another thread...

I would call what he did wrong...even if it's legal.

[bush_cheney2004]

I find it totally hypocritical and dumbfounding, how every other extremist group has been demonized to the point where even a skin color or language labels/alienates a person but Christian terrorism continues, on US soil mind you, everyday. THIS IS MADNESS! THIS IS AMURIKAAAAAAAAAAAA!

False....anti-abortion groups bent on violence and murder are so identified. Amurikaaaaaaa has murders everyday. KANIDUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH has murders too.

[Smallc]

That's not true. But in any event, let me borrow a phrase you posted in another thread...

It is true.

[sharkman]

I wondered how long it would take to play the rightwing extremist card in a thread on citizens trying to hi-jack the next election. When a behavior is wrong, it's wrong, and to defend it by pointing to a fringe group and saying,"They do bad stuff too" avoids the issue. And it's not some fringe wacko doing it, it's mainstream gay groups trying to fix the next referendum on gay marriage. Instead of trying to win it by better campaigning, increased donations for the pro-gay side, or educating the voter, they intimidate voters who disagree with them. They are guilty of the same bullying done to gays in the past! And they want sympathy for their side?

Again, if non-gays were doing this, the outrage would be unavoidable 24/7.

[Smallc]

They shouldn't even be trying to win this through a vote. It never should have been to a vote and the right they already have should have stayed. Oh...and I suppose you missed my post above.

[bush_cheney2004]

They shouldn't even be trying to win this through a vote. It never should have been to a vote and the right they already have should have stayed. Oh...and I suppose you missed my post above.

Marriage is not a right, regardless of sexual orientation.

[Smallc]

Marriage is not a right, regardless of sexual orientation.

So all those state courts are wrong then?

[bush_cheney2004]

So all those state courts are wrong then?

Yes, if you insist that marriage is a "right". The solemnizing of marriage by a state is highly regulated.

[Shady]

It is true.

No it's not true. You're either misinformed, or lying. He preforms "elective" late-term abortions. Sorry, he preformed "elective" late-term abortions, up to the due date. And several women who went to him for late-term abortions don't paint a pretty picture of his practices and procedures.

[Smallc]

Any story I read or hear about talks about severe problems with the babies that are being aborted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8422421

http://www.worldmag.com/webextra/15228

Edited June 2, 2009 by Smallc

[BubberMiley]

Now let us suppose that supporters of traditional marriage tracked down gays who had given to the campaign opposing Proposition 8. They threatened them, sent envelopes with white powder, and outed them to their workplaces. Do you think that these same gay groups responsible for this despicable behavior would think it wrong then?

Yes, they probably would.

I agree it's bad behaviour on their part. Anybody sending envelopes with white powder to intimidate others should be vigourously pursued and prosecuted to the fullest extent.

In a week where anti-choice zealots are also engaging in terrorist behaviour, trying to intimidate abortion doctors by singling them out and murdering them, it appears there are wingnuts on all sides.

Now, do you have a link to back up how the groups they represent are "mainstream"? Or did you just make that up yourself to try and tar as many homosexuals as possible as terrorists?

[bush_cheney2004]

Any story I read or hear about talks about severe problems with the babies that are being aborted.

So what was wrong with the babies? They were still alive?

[Smallc]

I don't know what was wrong with each of them, it was often severe genetic disorders that would have threatened their lives from what I've heard. Obviously 3 doctors thought it was bad enough.

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't know what was wrong with each of them, it was often severe genetic disorders that would have threatened their lives from what I've heard. Obviously 3 doctors thought it was bad enough.

I read your linked articles but no such details were evident. Threatened whose life......child's or mother's ???