Canada's immigration policy.

lictor616 · May 18, 2009

Here's what I found within seconds on Google:
Tertiary education is offered by the following institutions:

University of the West Indies at Mona [4], (a regional institution)

University of Technology (U-Tech)[5]

Northern Caribbean University [6](NCU)

University College of The Caribbean (UCC) [7]

Edna Manley College of Visual and Performing Arts (an artistic conservatory)

College of Agriculture, Science and Education (CASE)

G. C. Foster College of Physical Education and Sports

12 teacher training colleges, 14 community colleges, 1 dental auxiliary school, 1 Vocational Training Development Institute, 29 vocational training centres and 6 Human Employment and Resources Training (HEART) vocational training institutions.

Seems you're wrong. There are educated Jamaicans. You just don't want to believe it.

What a ridiculous argument... a university doesn't guarantee a high level of average education... What about Makerere University in Uganda? Does that mean that since uganda has a university: that the Ugandans are all educated?

You could also add the the University of Liverpool (which I got accepted to) wich is in the Caiman Islands... btw its 90% Western students...

But again the question is: why do they come here as uneducated and unskilled if they have all this wealth of "terciary" education?

There are educated jamaicans I'm sure... but not many- look at their country... look at the average IQ, the number of professionals etc.... (again UK stats and canadian crime stats confirm this)...

lictor616 · May 18, 2009

Let's get back 50 years ago, and change Haitian to Italian, and Guatemlan to Portuguese. Same racist generalisation, that has been proven wrong over time.

No, Italy 50 years ago was still a first rate nation that just happened to LOOSE a war... THe people from Italy were competent and quite modern.

The Italians that came here WORKED and were expected to do so. Something like one out of every 6 immigrant was a competant mechanic, 1 out of 5 capable in professional fields...

How this relates to the illiterate boat people of haiti who wash up on our shores, with no knowledge of our country, or even computers ... I don't know.

And I'm sorry but Italians (especially from the north) are not racially dissimilar from Canadians... they come from roughly the same broad ethnicity or race. There are differences, but they remain European.

So racism never really played into this at all..

Furthermore, third world immigration began in earnest in the 1960's in canada... its been 50 years ... and yet no progress has been made by our "turd-worlders". And canada has been progressively slipping in scientific literacy and went from best nation to live in in 1991 to a good 8th... While Norway, Japan, Ireland, Sweden and other homogeneous nations are advancing...

The notion that the Catholic Portuguese and Italian, were "as different" to Quebec French Canadians say as Ubangies or Hottentots and Hmong tribesmen... is LUNACY.

There are countless points in common between Italians and French people... their langauge is SO similar, their customs are quite near identical, their religion is precisely the same... only a madman could see any equivalence with current thrid world immigrants...

Machjo · May 18, 2009

What a ridiculous argument... a university doesn't guarantee a high level of average education... What about Makerere University in Uganda? Does that mean that since uganda has a university: that the Ugandans are all educated?
You could also add the the University of Liverpool (which I got accepted to) wich is in the Caiman Islands... btw its 90% Western students...

But again the question is: why do they come here as uneducated and unskilled if they have all this wealth of "terciary" education?

There are educated jamaicans I'm sure... but not many- look at their country... look at the average IQ, the number of professionals etc.... (again UK stats and canadian crime stats confirm this)...

IQ? What does IQ have to do with education? Sure there is some connection, and we could say that education can develop one's IQ. But it's not a direct relationship necessarily. Also, I was making the point that educated Jamaicans do exist.

By the way, while you were in the Cayman Islands, did you interact with the locals at all, or were you too good to mix in your host country? How did the locals take to being thought of as vermin?

lictor616 · May 18, 2009

IQ? What does IQ have to do with education? Sure there is some connection, and we could say that education can develop one's IQ. But it's not a direct relationship necessarily. Also, I was making the point that educated Jamaicans do exist.
By the way, while you were in the Cayman Islands, did you interact with the locals at all, or were you too good to mix in your host country? How did the locals take to being thought of as vermin?

Yes and Chinese speaking Somalies also exist... but are they the rule? or the exeption ?

Haitian Doctors exist... but are they the rule or the expection?

Chinese 7 feet tall super basket ball players exist... but are theyr the rule or the exception?

Black hockey players exist... are they the rule or the exception...

That's the point you fail to grasp...

Machjo · May 18, 2009

No, Italy 50 years ago was still a first rate nation that just happened to LOOSE a war... THe people from Italy were competent and quite modern.
The Italians that came here WORKED and were expected to do so. Something like one out of every 6 immigrant was a competant mechanic, 1 out of 5 capable in professional fields...

And current immigrants don't? I see plenty of working immigrants nearly every day, some of whom are in professional fields. While it might be reasonable to raise immigration standards, just shutting the door on them is a little zenophobic, especially when other countries do welcome Canadian immigrants... oh sorry, but we're a worthier race I suppose?

How this relates to the illiterate boat people of haiti who wash up on our shores, with no knowledge of our country, or even computers ... I don't know.

You've just described many Canadian ouths there.

And I'm sorry but Italians (especially from the north) are not racially dissimilar from Canadians... they come from roughly the same broad ethnicity or race. There are differences, but they remain European.

Well thank goodness for that. God forbid they should have tainted skin or something, or they might look like Jesus Christ. And what about those Aboriginals we'd displaced? Just a nuisance in the way? Not really Canadian? Hey, they don't look too Canadian either?

So racism never really played into this at all..

Short memory, I see:

"I'm sorry but Italians (especially from the north) are not racially dissimilar from Canadians... they come from roughly the same broad ethnicity or race. There are differences, but they remain European."

Yeah, too bad Canada's original people's could't look a llittle more Canadian too, bloody foreigners.

Furthermore, third world immigration began in earnest in the 1960's in canada... its been 50 years ... and yet no progress has been made by our "turd-worlders". And canada has been progressively slipping in scientific literacy and went from best nation to live in in 1991 to a good 8th... While Norway, Japan, Ireland, Sweden and other homogeneous nations are advancing...

Ah, I see. Good ol' segregation. I suppose you long for the good ol' days when Canadian newspapers could advertise slaves? Oh, by the way, Japan ain't too European either. And do you honestly believe that i we should start a race war in Canada that it'll somehow raise our scientific knowledge? Well, you might be right. The Germans did make great strides in medicine after all the experiments they did on Jews that simply would not be acceptable in a civilized society.

Go visit a Canadian univerity. At Concordia, the professors are of all skin colours. My god, man. We've got vermin teaching in our universities?

The notion that the Catholic Portuguese and Italian, were "as different" to Quebec French Canadians say as Ubangies or Hottentots and Hmong tribesmen... is LUNACY.
There are countless points in common between Italians and French people... their langauge is SO similar, their customs are quite near identical, their religion is precisely the same... only a madman could see any equivalence with current thrid world immigrants...

Ah, I see. So our immigration policy should not look at educational or other standards, but rather make them pass a gene test. I can smell a whiff of Apartheid.

CANADIEN · May 18, 2009

One and the same - in the end the result is the same and you have now - by accident or design - dodged my question(s).
Perhaps you might ask this question - Why would they think that way?

Another perhaps - Maybe there is a solid reason for this.

Sometimes there ARE good reasons - you seem ready to ignore or dodge.

Borg

Bormann, Goebbls, Mengele, Rosenberg, Seyss-Inquart, Kaltenbrunner, Funk, Speer, Zhou En Lai, Mao were all university graduates or students.

Cr*p does not smell less because those peddling it carry a unversity degree.

CANADIEN · May 18, 2009

"charter of bullschitte"

Thank you for your learned opinion on the concept of rights.

Machjo · May 18, 2009

Yes and Chinese speaking Somalies also exist... but are they the rule? or the exeption ?
Haitian Doctors exist... but are they the rule or the expection?

Chinese 7 feet tall super basket ball players exist... but are theyr the rule or the exception?

Black hockey players exist... are they the rule or the exception...

That's the point you fail to grasp...

My point is this. If a comany advertises for a Chinese speaker, and a Somalie applies for the job and he speaks Chinese as well as if not better than the average Chinese, I'd say give the job to him. Same applies with immigration. We establish objective standards. Whoever can meet the standard can enter, and whoever can't, can't. It should not be based on eugenics.

Smallc · May 18, 2009

People who want to be Canadian

You mean people like you who make fun of certain provinces by misspelling their names?

Edited May 18, 2009 by Smallc

CANADIEN · May 18, 2009

No, Italy 50 years ago was still a first rate nation that just happened to LOOSE a war... THe people from Italy were competent and quite modern.

Immigrants from Italy, Portugal, Eastern Europe faced the same prejudice and racism that immigrants today face. You cannot dismiss that by saying "oh, but they were Europeans".

Mind you, if I were you, I'd still try. After all, the fact that your predecessors in prejudice were wrong does not bode well for you.....

Machjo · May 18, 2009

You mean people like you who make fun of certain provinces by misspelling their names?

Hey, give him a break; his family escaped the Sexual Sterilization Act of Alberta of 1928. It was repealed in 1972. Ironically enough, its repeal saved him even though he'd likely be a proponent of bringing it back. Eugenics paves the way, eh. It's not his fault he can't spell.

CANADIEN · May 18, 2009

Yes and Chinese speaking Somalies also exist... but are they the rule? or the exeption ?
Haitian Doctors exist... but are they the rule or the expection?

Chinese 7 feet tall super basket ball players exist... but are theyr the rule or the exception?

Black hockey players exist... are they the rule or the exception...

That's the point you fail to grasp...

It does not matter when getting a doctor, a basketball player, a hockey player, and someone who can speak Chinese. That's the point you refuse to grasp.

Edited May 18, 2009 by CANADIEN

Machjo · May 18, 2009

I'm shocked at the results of this poll. I'm wondering if I should start a new poll to see how many would support reintroducing eugenics-based policies in Canada. On second thought, I'd better not; the results of such a poll could potentially make me paranoid.

CANADIEN · May 18, 2009

Ah, I see. So our immigration policy should not look at educational or other standards, but rather make them pass a gene test. I can smell a whiff of Apartheid.

He probably go to bed every night cursing the Boers for not continuating aparthead or just kill the "vermin".

CANADIEN · May 18, 2009

And the Jamaicans (and other failed groups) ARE ALREADY here and reproducing at an alarming rate!

Let's sterilize them, right?

Edited May 18, 2009 by CANADIEN

Argus · May 18, 2009

And guess what! Immigrants volunteer and give to charitable organizations too. With a larger educated and thus likely better paid population, it also benefits charities and Canada's own poor too.

And we know this how exactly? They volunteer within their own communities? A few years back, just before it was replaced, I volunteered at the Red Cross central office in Ottawa off Carling Avenue. Every evening there'd be a lineup of people stopping by after work to give blood. I was there for about a week, and if I saw two non-white faces stopping by during that entire time that was the limit.

Edited May 18, 2009 by Argus

Argus · May 18, 2009

There is no collective Canadian perception of immigrants. I'm sure someone in Toronto doesn't feel the same as someone in rural Quebec.

Because if he's in Toronto the odds are he IS an immigrant.

Argus · May 18, 2009

Population expansion, be it from imigration or high birth rates, creates jobs. As the population was growing in the 1970's, that created jobs.

I'm sorry, but that is utter nonsense as an answer. Sure the population increase creates more jobs, and more people to take them. How does that make anyone who was already here one jot better off?

Your answer is the same as saying that if you have ten people in your house instead of one, you'll eat better because before you only had one sandwich and now you have ten sandwiches.

Wild Bill · May 18, 2009

No, it grows on production, but that production depends on demand.
And who'll buy the car and the food? Sure we can just export, but look where that got Japan. A large trade surplus also pushes the value of the currency up, making our exports ever more expensive. Add to that that people can buy from abroad just as easily. Houses, haircuts, and such like are not easily importable or exportable, however, and this is where immigration has an advantage. And if we have high enough standards, which could include requiring immigrants to have so much money, then they're also more likely to spend thei money here rather than elsewhere.

Now don't get me wrong here. I'm not suggesting that we stop exporting raw materials to Japan (I'm not that vindictive). All I'm saying is that it's not wise to be depleting our resources like this. Though I'm not in favour of just closing all our mines, I could be in favour of a resource tax similar to what the Green Party was proposing last election. Let's sell our resources at higher cost and thus encourage the development of more secondary and tertiary industries of our own. Why should we export all of our secondary and tertiary industries to Japan? Again, I'm not suggesting that we don't, as that would just be cruel to theJapanese, and vindictive. But if we sell our resources at higher cost, then while the Japanese could continue to import our resources if they want, we could develop more tertiary and secondary industries of our own too. It's not wise to depend on nothimg more than digging for our wealth.

Wealth is not limited to raw materials, but to finished products too. In fact, finished products are more valuable than just a clunk of steel.

I don't believe we must take in immigrants, but if they can make a contribution, why not? As for racial stock, are you in any way related to Goebels? And you do realise that many of those 'undesirable racial stocks' are highly educated, don't you?

Please don't confuse me with Mr. Lictor. To me race has nothing to do with intelligence. I meet idiots in all colours and have voted for many of them. Some mornings I'm not so swift myself. I make no value judgements when I refer to racial stock. My point was that if they are that educated they probably could do better in their home country, which likely is farther up the living standard list than Canada. The exception of course would be refugees, which are not likely to be highly educated, although of course some would be.

When you speak of production and demand you still seem to be ignoring the fact that our domestic demand is essentially "mice nuts" and could never support most primary industries AT ALL. The domestic auto market IN TOTAL is only 15% of Canadian auto factory production. With no exports none of the factories can survive. Importing immigrants to try to revive the car companies is like trying to hold back the tide.

I agree we should be concentrating on finished products. That was one of my main points!

As far as hoarding our resources, that's a dangerous game. It was depending too much on natural resources that helped get us into this mess! You see, that's what every 3rd world country relies on, their natural resources! There are lots of them willing to slash their price to earn foreign money, since they have nothing else to trade. For Canada to want to position itself as relying too heavily in this area shows a frightening lack of foresight.

When you suggest selling our resources at higher costs you're assuming that competition from those other countries would not be a problem. Trust me, it IS a problem!

Anyhow, I don't feel I deserved your cheap shot about being a racist at all. I spoke of immigrants. Who knows or cares what colour they are? If there are no jobs, there are no jobs!

Mention Goebbels again and I will invoke Godwin's Law.

Machjo · May 18, 2009

And we know this how exactly? They volunteer within their own communities? A few years back, just before it was replaced, I volunteered at the Red Cross central office in Ottawa off Carling Avenue. Every evening there'd be a lineup of people stopping by after work to give blood. I was there for about a week, and if I saw two non-white faces stopping by during that entire time that was the limit.

Are they aware of blood donations at the red cross? Maybe they don't know where to give it? I don't know. Yes, now that I think about it, it was mostly whites that I saw there last time (strange that, it's only now that I think about it; geesh, I really should try to pay more attention to my racial surroundings, eh ). On the other hand, in Victoria BC and in Montreal, it was quite common for immigrants to volunteer in various programmes that I was helping with, mainly helping new immigrant integrate, anti-racism education, and such. I'd also volunteered in literacy education, and there both volunteers and recipients were usually white. So clearly immigrants do volunteer, but maybe are simply not aware of other opportunities. Ah, but I also remember one Madagascarian woman who volunteered at the red cross in Ottawa, though not sure where. But you can't say that because they aren't in your particular field of volunteer work that they don't volunteer.

Argus · May 18, 2009

Obviously, you do not realize that the "immigration is a conspiracy by corporate Canada line" is so incrediby moronic that laughter is the only suitable reply. You might as well come here and state that 1 plus 1 equals 4.

Ahm, it is undeniably true that corporate Canada has been a strong supporter of heavy immigration for many years. Not merely because it fills "unfillable jobs" but in large measure, because it drives down wages. The more people chasing a particular job, the less the employer has to pay to get employees. That's the basics of supply and demand. Low age, low skill jobs in particular have now been driven down so low, wage wise, that only immigrants will take them.

Machjo · May 18, 2009

He probably go to bed every night cursing the Boers for not continuating aparthead or just kill the "vermin".

Oh yes, forgot about that. The Boer Wars, a proud part of Canadian history, Canada's first foreing military excursion if I remember correctly, out there loyally helping the British in South Africa against the vermin trying to hang on to their territory. We can also be proud of the fact that Apartheid was based on Canada's reservation system, but taken to a greater extreme.

Ah, our pride and glory. Those were the days. <_<

Machjo · May 18, 2009

Let's sterilize them, right?

Don't give him too many ideas.

Argus · May 18, 2009

Have you ever worked abroad? I have. And whether I live within my own border or abroad, I expect my rights to be respected. No different for those vemin of yours. Sieg Heil.

We have no requirement whatsoever, moral or ethical, to be "fair" to individual foreigners in how we decide on immigration criteria. There is only one standard we ought to be applying, and that is who would make the best immigrant from Canada's perspective, both economically and culturally. We have no obligation to be "fair" to individuals or nations in applying that criteria. If Poles make better immigrants than Jamaicans we should bring in Poles instead of Jamaicans. What do we owe Jamaica anyway?

Argus · May 18, 2009

Let's get back 50 years ago, and change Haitian to Italian, and Guatemlan to Portuguese. Same racist generalisation, that has been proven wrong over time.

The Italian and Portugese communities became famous for producing workers, construction, among others.

The Jamaican community is most noteworthy for producing pimps, street gang members, armed robbers, and drug dealers - oh, and a lot of people who have no profession whatsoever, but simply collect welfare.

Sorry, I'm sure there are some very fine Jamaican people. But that it has a poor reputation for a reason.

Also noteworthy for extremely poor reputations in Canada: Haitians, Somalians, and Tamils