Smallc Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Historically, Americans go apeshit over issues like this when the economy goes sour and jobs are lost. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it here...and it doesn't mean that the Canadian Government should stop trying to do something about it. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Doesn't mean we can't talk about it here...and it doesn't mean that the Canadian Government should stop trying to do something about it. Knock yourself out....I'm still betting on the Mexicans! Don't forget to mention the hospitality from Canadian families when aircraft were forced to land because of all those evil Canadian terrorists on 9/11. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bjre Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) Politics is mainly dirty cheating. If a politician want to do something, like make some new law or new policy, he would use some issues and try to make media focus on that no matter it is truth or lie. He definitely can find something he can use, if there is another truth does not support his point of view, he will never use it and try to make media mute on that. Like Bush (or someones who is behind of him) wish to invade Iraq, he can make all mainstream media talk about the WMD in Iraq which is not exist. Edited April 25, 2009 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Molly Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Yep. Since there's little doubt that the disinformation campaign is intentional, I wonder what the motive is. Is it just to give folks something to 'go apeshit' about to take their minds off the economy... or is it as protectionist as it looks? Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
jdobbin Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Posted April 25, 2009 Since there's little doubt that the disinformation campaign is intentional, I wonder what the motive is. Maybe mccain has swine flu and didn't know what he was talking about. Quote
lukin Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) I disagree with all that McCain has said about this subject. My problem is the fact that ONLY McCain is getting bashed for his comments, even though he is only echoing what OBAMA appointee Janet Napolitano stated earlier. Now this story has transformed into bash-the-Republicans some more. That is the problem I have with the news. Blatant partisanship. Edited April 25, 2009 by lukin Quote
Smallc Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 That is the problem I have with the news. Blatant partisanship. News from which country? Our media covered both cases quite thoroughly. Quote
Molly Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 "ONLY" McCain? Good lord! What filtered planet do you live on? Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
eyeball Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 You won't see me losing a moments sleep over US desires to wall themselves off from the world. We should be so lucky. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Smallc Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 "ONLY" McCain? Good lord! What filtered planet do you live on? It's called conservative land. it's a place where all stories about liberal politicians don't register and the stories about conservatives are amplified. Quote
normanchateau Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 McCain might have consulted with the ever-astute Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin. The Alaska/Canada border alone is almost the length of the border between Mexico and the southern part of the US. There is just no telling how many illegal Muslims, the women wearing sealskin burkas, might be crossing from Canada into Alaska. There are few federal agents, American or Canadian, monitoring the Alaska/Canada border. At a Congressional hearing, Democratic Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren noted the small number of US federal agents monitoring the Alaska/Canada border: "At any given time you've got between 200 and 300 people on that whole border. And we've had reports that people drive, walk, sail, ski, sled, crawl, and probably a few other things across the border with impunity," says Lofgren. Quote
eyeball Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 And we've had reports that people drive, walk, sail, ski, sled, crawl, and probably a few other things across the border with impunity," says Lofgren. What's needed to wake people up to the threat is a galvanizing photo or video of some sort - two people passing a joint across the border or someone peeing across it would probably do the trick. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
normanchateau Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 What's needed to wake people up to the threat is a galvanizing photo or video of some sort - two people passing a joint across the border or someone peeing across it would probably do the trick. http://www.piersystem.com/posted/780/05081...501_H.81296.jpg Quote
Shakeyhands Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Don't forget to mention the hospitality from Canadian families when aircraft were forced to land because of all those evil Canadian terrorists on 9/11. What an incredibly ignorant thing to say. Thanks for once again showing your true colours. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
eyeball Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 That looks like two cops delivering a load to a coast guard helicopter crew. I wouldn't doubt it happens all the time. I meant something more scary like Cheech and Chong passing a joint or Marc Emory peeing across the border. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
kimmy Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Perhaps there is an ulterior motive here, with this propaganda about terrorists coming from Canada. There is really no way that these people could have mis-spoken when they uttered these statements... and inevitably later retract them. By now everyone at these high levels knows the facts. If you know them, if I know them, how could they not? After Napolitano's comments, I heard an analyst on CBC make the argument that this is all about image for the new administration. They have always perceived that being tough on security is a weak spot for them, and it will become weaker as they scale back their involvement in overseas conflicts. They want to do something to deflect this criticism, and border security looks like it will be the talking point. Of course, voters will only take that as Big Action on national security if they believe that lax border security is a Big Threat. Napolitano explaining why Americans will be able to breathe easier once the savage Canadians are held in check makes political sense for the Obama administration. However, I don't really see a political motive for McCain to be into it. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Molly Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 I hope that's all it is, Kimmy. I'm deeply suspicious of creeping protectionism. I wouldn't care a jot about it if it didn't interfere with trade. I sincerely hope that our own PTB are prepared to make import of US goods/services every bit as thorny as they make export of Canadian goods. Free passage of tourists? Sure! But that truckload of strawberries could have a bomb in it, so it had better wait there for a week, 'til we finish inspecting it. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Wilber Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 I disagree with all that McCain has said about this subject. My problem is the fact that ONLY McCain is getting bashed for his comments, even though he is only echoing what OBAMA appointee Janet Napolitano stated earlier. Now this story has transformed into bash-the-Republicans some more. That is the problem I have with the news. Blatant partisanship. The point is they should both bloody well know better. If this is the extent of their knowledge, it gives me no confidence that they are capable of dealing with real security issues. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 What an incredibly ignorant thing to say. Thanks for once again showing your true colours. Thank you...you so smart compared to dumb American...but don't know sarcasm when it bite you on ass. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lukin Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 "ONLY" McCain? Good lord! What filtered planet do you live on? There wasn't nearly the amount of sarcasm or ignorance on this forum when Democrat Napolitano made her remarks. Only when McCain made his comments did people like you react. As a Conservative, McCain's comments, along with Napolitano's are ridiculous, and I'll admit it. It's just too bad that all of you in far left wonderland can't call a spade a spade, and rely on cheap, petty put downs of Conservatives. Why on Earth does Sarah Palin's name need to be brought up in this discussion? Because the far-left are nothing but haters, which I learned a long time ago when I subscribed to the far-left ideology. Thank goodness I gre out of that phase. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 The point is they should both bloody well know better. If this is the extent of their knowledge, it gives me no confidence that they are capable of dealing with real security issues. That's because they haven't really dealt with the real or perceived "security issue'. Have you ever been to southern Arizona? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lukin Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) There wasn't nearly the amount of sarcasm or ignorance on this forum when Democrat Napolitano made her remarks. Only when McCain made his comments did people like you react. As a Conservative, McCain's comments, along with Napolitano's are ridiculous, and I'll admit it. It's just too bad that all of you in far left wonderland can't call a spade a spade, and rely on cheap, petty put downs of Conservatives. Why on Earth does Sarah Palin's name need to be brought up in this discussion? Because the far-left are nothing but haters, which I learned a long time ago when I subscribed to the far-left ideology. Thank goodness I grew out of that phase. Edited April 25, 2009 by lukin Quote
eyeball Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Because the far-left are nothing but haters, which I learned a long time ago when I subscribed to the far-left ideology. Thank goodness I gre out of that phase. I guess you haven't been in the far right phase long enough to see its no less hateful a place. OTOH perhaps its just you. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
lukin Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 I guess you haven't been in the far right phase long enough to see its no less hateful a place. OTOH perhaps its just you. I didn't accuse YOU of being far-left eyeball. You shouldn't do the same to me. I am moderately Conservative. Question for you eyeball. Was what McCain said any worse than what Napolitano said? If not, then why is it that most people are being ruthless in their attacks on McCain, without giving the same attention to Napolitano? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 This is not a new issue spawned by 9/11: For Immediate Release: Thursday, May 17, 2001 (Washington, D.C.) -- U.S. Senator Patty Murray (D-Wash) used a Senate hearing today to urge the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to increase protection and staff at the Northern Border. In her statement before the Commerce, Justice, State and Judiciary Appropriations Committee (CJSJ), Murray noted that border staff levels have not kept pace with growing commercial traffic and increased threats. "I am very concerned about the lack of commitment the INS had in recent years to protecting the Northern Border," Murray told Acting INS Commissioner Kevin Rooney. "The level of staff for the Border Patrol and inspections have not grown at the Northern Border, but the threats of drug trafficking and terrorist attack have grown substantially." http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=189349 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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