Jews fleeing France again

dub · April 19, 2009

our immigration policy is much more rigid than it was when our parents or grandparents moved to this country. it has become much more difficult to immigrate to canada now. what you need to understand is that without immigration, this country would fall apart. especially with the growing number of seniors and the fact that people are having less children.

Edited April 19, 2009 by dub

Borg · April 20, 2009

Is what we are seeing in Europe an advance screening of what we can look forwrd to in Canada as Muslim numbers here continue to rise? We've already seen troubling indications of the depths of violence and anti-Semitism among some of our new "Canadians" including firebombing of schools and temples.
I asked Pierre how long he would be visiting the States. His answer startled me. He said that he was here to stay, for good, that he was here with his daughter, his girlfriend, and his dog, and that he expects his son to soon join them.

A Frenchman in Exile

From a link on the site

In January of 2006, Ilan Halimi was brutally tortured for three full weeks in Paris by gangs of African Muslim immigrant torturers. The media did not describe them as “Muslims,” but rather as “youth,” “militants,” “gang-members, “immigrants,” and “immigrants from Africa.” Neighbors took turns and joined in torturing Halimi. Other neighbors heard his screams and did nothing. Some came to watch.

Jewish man tortured to death in Paris

Since 2000, nearly 40 percent of Noisy-le-Sec’s school-aged Jewish families have pulled their children from area public schools and enrolled them in Jewish institutions, Fellous says.

He attributes the shift to the area’s general anti-Jewish environment and specific incidents students have encountered, such as being beaten up and subjected to insults and taunts. Many regularly hear the cry “dirty Jew!”

Jews Fleeing Paris Surburbs for Ghettoes

I am sure there is a way this can all be blamed upon the Jews

Borg

Borg · April 20, 2009

our immigration policy is much more rigid than it was when our parents or grandparents moved to this country. it has become much more difficult to immigrate to canada now. what you need to understand is that without immigration, this country would fall apart. especially with the growing number of seniors and the fact that people are having less children.

Perhaps you are correct -but the right kind of people are needed - not those who wear their original country flag on their shoulders.

Canadians of convenience - we have far too many and continue to allow them to enter.

Borg

dub · April 20, 2009

Perhaps you are correct -but the right kind of people are needed - not those who wear their original country flag on their shoulders.
Canadians of convenience - we have far too many and continue to allow them to enter.

Borg

who is wearing their country's flags? what do you mean by this? give me an example.

is there something wrong with keeping a connection to the country and culture you came from?

just like how europeans have brought and integrated their own culture into this country, others are also doing the same thing. as long as no one breaks the rules and our constitution, then why do we need to care so much how new immigrants live?

putting aside emotions and feelings, all statistics point to new immigrants helping to rejuvenate the canadian economy and society.

Rue · April 20, 2009

The reason most people are fleeing Africa for Europe is same reason Europeans fled Europe for other parts of the world, to escape the midievalism of their home countries. I suppose its as natural to expect a certain amount of this will leak in with the immigrants, just like it leaked out of Europe with its migrants.
I simply mentioned the end result when you steered the discussion towards birth-rates.

Well I think its obvious to say they are coming to Europe to find work which they can't find in their own countries but I am not so sure they are all leaving because they are fleeing fundamentalist type Islam and I believe that is what the focus Jerry was referring to. I do not doubt some flee for religious or political reasons but I would suspect the vast majority or on the move for the simple reason of looking for work and therein lies the problem-when they do find work, they may not be willing to change their own beliefs as they settle in their new countries to be more compatible with those of the host country.

I think the same can be said of any new arrival in any country where they move from a more fundamentalist society to a more "Western" secular one.

In Europe the particular emphasis is on how Islamic peoples are assimilating because they seem to be struggling with assimilation into certain social values.

One the one hand as a Jew whose relatives from Europe were always on the run and fleeing stereotypes I am loath to stereotype anyone who is not Christian trying to assimilate into Western democracies on the other hand I would be candid and say whether it is a fellow Jew or a Muslim or anyone else I believe if they are not willing to assimilate to certain specific values and expect to maintain their "old" values, they can expect problems and intolerance in reaction to their refusal to change.

On the other hand, I am not sure where we draw the line between people who come to Western countries who are trying to maintain intolerant fundamentalist beliefs and those who come to Western countries and are not Christian and are not trying to maintain intolerant fundamentalist beliefs but are being stereotyped as intolerant simply because they are also Muslim.

All I am saying is I think its dead on valid to criticize intolerant people whether they be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, etc., but it is not logical to assign culpability to all Muslims for being intolerant and causing problems in Europe simply because they are the same religion as others who practice a more fundamentalist brand of it.

I for one, don't think its easy knowing who is what until I actually speak with people or witness their behaviour.

The problem with these group acts of violence by idiots claiming to be Muslims is that non Muslims witnessing them behave this way tend to allow it to incite them into believing all Muslims are like this.

That is unfortunate. It just fuels the on-going cycle of intolerance by both sides.

As I have said in earlier posts I believe the best solution is to simply arrest anyone with a beard (man or woman I am not sexist) and lock them away.

Even Santa Claus.

Argus · April 21, 2009

our immigration policy is much more rigid than it was when our parents or grandparents moved to this country. it has become much more difficult to immigrate to canada now. what you need to understand is that without immigration, this country would fall apart. especially with the growing number of seniors and the fact that people are having less children.

Neither of those suggestions is backed up by any kind of evidence. Our high immigration numbers have absolutely nothing to do with a shortage of skills, with low birth rates or an aging population. Our immigration numbers are entirely based on political motives from the ruling party of the day.

As for it being harder to immigrate today - get real. It didn't used to matter if people were illiterate and unskilled. Most of the country was rural and we could always use someone to chop trees or plough the earth. Besides, our source countries were a lot more similar to us than is the case today.

Edited April 21, 2009 by Argus

Argus · April 21, 2009

who is wearing their country's flags? what do you mean by this? give me an example.

Gee, how about the thousands of Tamils out blocking the streets again today?

M.Dancer · April 21, 2009

Gee, how about the thousands of Tamils out blocking the streets again today?

I've seen most of the Toronto Demos and they have never blocked the streets....lined the sidewalks, yes....blocked the streets no.

Oleg Bach · April 21, 2009

Gee, how about the thousands of Tamils out blocking the streets again today?

The Tamils were great as far as putting the liberals in Provincial power...now that these oppressed ones are deemed terrorists..it seems they are out of the popularity sphere and have been abandoned - all those that resist what is left of colonial rule...and do not respect the henchmen that British imperialist left behind to guard their finacial interests are terrorists.. :lol:

lictor616 · April 21, 2009

I've seen most of the Toronto Demos and they have never blocked the streets....lined the sidewalks, yes....blocked the streets no.

that's almost certainly inaccurate. the mounds of accumulated filth there usually block the sidewalks in their own neighborhoods forcing people unto the streets to avoid them.

I'd hate to see them PROTEST.

It really is deplorable to see though. Here we chinless canadians are, inviting in our own country the unnapeasable hatreds that have been festering in southern India (the Deccan) for at least a millenia.

Its true that the British, wicked colonialists that they were, restrained the native yearning to massacre racially differing groups, but since India has been liberated from such wanton oppression, we will be witnessing massacres in that region of the globe (and wherever the delightful creatures happen to be residing at the moment- Tonronto, Montreal etc) with increasing intensity and viciousness.

The unappeasable racial hatred of these groups is extremely old as the Ramayana on the subject of the Tamils (people from the south ie: Vanars) clearly corroborates: The natives of the Deccan (Tamils and Dravidians alike) are described as a race of monkeys (!).

DogOnPorch · April 21, 2009

who is wearing their country's flags? what do you mean by this? give me an example.

Sikhs would be another good example. When a Sikh criminal was due for deportation, the Sikh community blocked officials from carrying out their jobs...as well as shut down YVR.

is there something wrong with keeping a connection to the country and culture you came from?

If if affects other Canadian's daily life. Yes, indeedy.

just like how europeans have brought and integrated their own culture into this country, others are also doing the same thing. as long as no one breaks the rules and our constitution, then why do we need to care so much how new immigrants live?

Multiculturalism = having no core values. No core values = we believe in everything...which also means we believe in nothing. Allowing other alien cultures to dominate the host culture is a form of iconoclasm (not just in the religious sense).

putting aside emotions and feelings, all statistics point to new immigrants helping to rejuvenate the canadian economy and society.

Bull. They are used to (hopefully) pad the vote. If our government was so keen on having "us" have babies...they'd make it easier...not harder. The vast majority of home grown Canadians of Euro-heritage can't afford to have big families...if any. Daycare and other costs make working for a living and having babies a luxury. To be of the working poor with a baby on the way can be a real hardship...not a blessing. As well, the majority of home grown Canadian women of Euro-heritage work as opposed to being on welfare or some other government subsidy. Not many stay-at-home Moms.

Edited April 22, 2009 by DogOnPorch

tango · April 21, 2009

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The reason is that as a percentage of our population, 240,000-265,000 newcomers represent less than one per cent of our national population

Uh huh, and if you do that over a period of twenty years... then that'd represent 20% of the population, right? We've been doing it for closing on forty years now, and in some cities there are more immigrants than Canadian born. When was it ever put up for a national vote whether we wanted to bring in so many millions of new people they would supplant the local population and culture?

Actually Argus ... Canada has been importing immigrants since 1532, and we make up 96% of the population, the rest being Indigenous Peoples.

tango · April 21, 2009

Sikhs would be another good example. When a Sikh criminal was due for deportation, the Sikh community blocked officials from carrying out their jobs...as well as shut down YVR.

Source?

If if affects other Canadian's daily life. Yes, indeedy.

How?

Multiculturalism = having no core values. No core values = we believe in everything...which also means we believe in nothing. Allowing other alien cultures to dominate the host culture is a form of iconoclasm (not just in the religious sense).

Canada has core values. It's called the Constitution:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/index.html

Bull. They are used to (hopefully) pad the vote. If our government was so keen on having "us" have babies...they'd make it easier...not harder. The vast majority of home grown Canadians of Euro-heritage can't affords to have big families...if any. Daycare and other costs make working for a living and having babies a luxury. To be of the working poor with a baby on the way can be a real hardship...not a blessing. As well, the majority of home grown Canadian women of Euro-heritage work as opposed to being on welfare or some other government subsidy. Not many stay-at-home Moms.

:rolleyes: What bull-oney! Freedom of choice, anyone? Canadian core values anyone? (Apparently not DoP!)

DogOnPorch · April 21, 2009

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The reason is that as a percentage of our population, 240,000-265,000 newcomers represent less than one per cent of our national population

Actually Argus ... Canada has been importing immigrants since 1532, and we make up 96% of the population, the rest being Indigenous Peoples.

100% if one wants to go that route.

DogOnPorch · April 21, 2009

Source?

http://www.nowpublic.com/politics/1000-pro...deportation-yvr

Watch the news sometime.

How?

Missed flights for one.

Canada has core values. It's called the Constitution:

Of which, Multiculturalism is a part. Multiculturalism = Having no values of your own.

What bull-oney! Freedom of choice, anyone? Canadian core values anyone? (Apparently not DoP!)

Are you one of Canada's many working poor?

tango · April 21, 2009

http://www.nowpublic.com/politics/1000-pro...deportation-yvr
Watch the news sometime.

Read your own links sometime ... :lol:

For several days now people have been inundated with inaccuracies concerning Laibar Singh’s case, which have resulted in the unfortunate perception of Singh as a “law-breaker.”

First, Singh was only handed a deportation order for July 8 of this year and took sanctuary on July 7. He has, therefore, never been “illegal” in Canada before taking sanctuary. Everyone in sanctuary has overstayed a deportation order, not just Singh.

Second, Singh arrived on a fake document, which he declared to Canadian immigration authorities. This is not illegal as international and Canadian refugee law recognizes the reality that many asylum seekers will be forced to travel on fake documents.

Of which, Multiculturalism is a part. Multiculturalism = Having no values of your own.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/annex_e.html#I

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Are you one of Canada's many working poor?

noyfb

DogOnPorch · April 21, 2009

Read your own links sometime ...

Yeah, you're right. A leftard's blog was a poor choice.

So I gather you agree with the Sikh community's decision to block Vancouver's international airport in order to avoid deportation of a criminal.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/annex_e.html#I
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Exactly. Multiculturalism = no values of our own. Our values are everyone elses values.

noyfb

Ah...a 'silver spooner'. Good for you...or your parents. Working does suck.

:lol:

tango · April 21, 2009

Yeah, you're right. A leftard's blog was a poor choice.
So I gather you agree with the Sikh community's decision to block Vancouver's international airport in order to avoid deportation of a criminal.

Exactly. Multiculturalism = no values of our own. Our values are everyone elses values.

Ah...a 'silver spooner'. Good for you...or your parents. Working does suck.

Speculating about people's personal business is out of line.

DogOnPorch · April 22, 2009

Especially if one has something to hide.

:lol:

tango · April 22, 2009

Especially if one has something to hide.

Are you one of those snotty people who has to know how much money someone has to know how to treat them?

eeeewwwww!!!!

DogOnPorch · April 22, 2009

Are you one of those snotty people who has to know how much money someone has to know how to treat them?
eeeewwwww!!!!

Those would be your words. But, by the sounds of it you don't think there are folks in Canada who have to make choices between having children and having a 'normal' standard of living. That would make you the snotty one in my books.

dub · April 22, 2009

so i still haven't seen any evidence on how multi-culturalism is so scary and why DoP is so scared.

Oleg Bach · April 22, 2009

so i still haven't seen any evidence on how multi-culturalism is so scary and why DoP is so scared.

Jews this = Jews that = holocaust this and persecution that...tiresome = what about my people? The 10 million Ukranians...starved to death and robbed blind - Jews have just been better marketers - and those that profit from keeping states like Israel going..are also good con artists and master marketers - the Jews and their handlers - can F off - I am tired of the Anglo Christians using them ...and in tern them using us. :rolleyes:

dub · April 22, 2009

Jews this = Jews that = holocaust this and persecution that...tiresome = what about my people? The 10 million Ukranians...starved to death and robbed blind - Jews have just been better marketers - and those that profit from keeping states like Israel going..are also good con artists and master marketers - the Jews and their handlers - can F off - I am tired of the Anglo Christians using them ...and in tern them using us.

who care if you're ukranian?!

DoP and the rest of his chosen people are eternal victims and this gives them carte blanche. criticism and debate over every atrocity is okay unless it is about the chosen people. you dare criticize any policy or action and the ever powerful, anti-semite card is flashed and shouted by the media, politicians and zealots like DoP.

Oleg Bach · April 22, 2009

who care if you're ukranian?!
DoP and the rest of his chosen people are eternal victims and this gives them carte blanche. criticism and debate over every atrocity is okay unless it is about the chosen people. you dare criticize any policy or action and the ever powerful, anti-semite card is flashed and shouted by the media, politicians and zealots like DoP.

fUNNY.... pEOPle --- are aware - even wise honest Jews admit that Jews have been persecuting their own for hundrends of years ----loyalty might seem big with these guys - but it's not. This is a buisness and there are powerful Anglos in the court system - who allow Jewish lawyers to juggle the court calander in order to pervert justice and get a dupe judge....and we sit quietly and wait....................... for their out come...

I watched my parents being tormented by memory ------ weep at the thought of what was done to them - and no one came to their aid....... It's a damned buisness and it has nothing to do with religion..they are simply pricks. AND racists who justify their bad behavour because we are dogs ----- Look at todays modern urbanites,,,,, dogs have human rights ----and that is just what these creeps want..once a dog has human rights - our rights are gone...of course we are animals... :lol: