Progressive Tory Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 The average age in our military is now 36 years old, which in it self is not very old, but when put into contect that the avg retiring age for the military is 40 years old that should send a signal....our military is getting very old....the next 5 years or so will see a huge protion of these guys getting out....People need to atleast wake, our military is not just in sad shape it is in critical condition, and although the Cons have provided additional funding, really it has been a small tansfusion keeping it alive barely....All the signs have been posted on the media forever....it's time the people just recongized it and decided on what they are will to do.... Exactly, and the average age of the population at home is 39.4 years. Our people are aging at about 4 times the birthrate. Recruitment is down. We can't depend on a larger army, no way, no how. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Smallc Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 PRAY TELL, WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR LEOPARDS? Nothing is wrong with the Leopard 2 tanks. The problem exists with the fact that a contract has not even been tendered to refit the 40 2A6 models that have arrived and the 2A4+ models haven't even arrived yet. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Canada has a small population. The idea behind the transformation going on now is that we need to have a small effective force rather than a large one that we can't sustain. Quality - not road kill...IF our force was of good quality they would not be wasting them. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 IF our force was of good quality they would not be wasting them. They are of good quality. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Besides the fact that the recent purchases are sitting in mothballs and the ones we have are in disrepair?Rollout date for tanks uncertain The Defence Department has known about the shortage of Leopard 2 spare parts since at least the fall of 2007 — even though the Office of the Assistant Deputy Minister of Materiel claimed there were no problems. Military officers quietly briefed industry representatives about a shortage of Leopard 2 parts at a November 2007 meeting. But in a Dec. 5, 2007, e-mail to the Ottawa Citizen, the Defence Department claimed there were no problems. You can thank the past liberal government of Jean Chreitien for eliminating the contract for keeping up the tanks, we lost the compay and the expertise to do it when he mothballed the current tanks we have. Building something from nothing take time. But this problem is like many others a legacy of the liberal party of Canada. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 But this problem is like many others a legacy of the liberal party of Canada. Conversely, I guess that means almost all the successes of this country are legacies of the Liberal Party of Canada. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Conversely, I guess that means almost all the successes of this country are legacies of the Liberal Party of Canada. What sucess? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Quality - not road kill...IF our force was of good quality they would not be wasting them. They are of "good quality"....the problem is that budgets and investment have not been reconciled for a sustained forward presence in combat, not the silly notions of "peacekeeping" on the cheap. General Hillier made this clear years ago. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 What success? That doesn't even deserve a response. If you can't recognize the good things about this country, then there's no point in even trying to tell you. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 That doesn't even deserve a response. If you can't recognize the good things about this country, then there's no point in even trying to tell you. What you call a sucess may be a failure in my eyes. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 What you call a success may be a failure in my eyes. If you think that this country is failing, perhaps your eyes need adjusting. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 If you think that this country is failing, perhaps your eyes need adjusting. Do you forget we do not share the same ideals? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Do you forget we do not share the same ideals? I don't forget that. Different ideas however shouldn't blind you to the greatness of this country. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 I don't forget that. Different ideas however shouldn't blind you to the greatness of this country. A lot of the greatness of our country is despite the government not because of it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
benny Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 So we see the Russians moving their elbows around, announcing militarization of the north in preparation for enforcing their claims. The Conservatives have replied to the effect that Canada won't be bullied and there are plans - somewhere - in someone's lower drawer under the crossword puzzle and his coffee maker - to substantially build up Canada's military resources up there - some day. I hear Harper has even spoken about the possibility of one day building some kind of icebreaker, maybe, eventually. So that if the Russians do decide to go out and mine the sea bed in areas we've claimed we can at least watch them do it. No movement on that, though. No panic please! The Russians are already occupying a seat around the same table than the Canadians at the United Nations where this Arctic question should be dealt with. Quote
Smallc Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 A lot of the greatness of our country is despite the government not because of it. And we differ there...but, at least you admitted that it's a great country. Quote
benny Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 And we differ there...but, at least you admitted that it's a great country. So what!? Russians have much more reasons than Canadians to say the same. Quote
Smallc Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 So what!? Russians have much more reasons than Canadians to say the same. And you and I certainly differ on this point. Quote
benny Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 And you and I certainly differ on this point. Stalin' government had a very peculiar way to be adulated by the Russians. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 No panic please! The Russians are already occupying a seat around the same table than the Canadians at the United Nations where this Arctic question should be dealt with. Some people are still stuck in Cold War mentality. The Russians are our friends, now. It's a good thing, because diplomacy is the only way we're going to achieve any power in the Arctic. I see a tall guy with a Russian sweater and hand on the head of a 98 pound weakling in a Canadain sweater, puching frantically, but landing nothing. This is not an issue for our military, because we really have none compared to Russia and the U.S.; the two largest competitors for the oil in the region. Sit back, shut up, and they'll look after us. Just make sure you lock Peter McKay in his room. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
benny Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Some people are still stuck in Cold War mentality. The Russians are our friends, now. It's a good thing, because diplomacy is the only way we're going to achieve any power in the Arctic. I see a tall guy with a Russian sweater and hand on the head of a 98 pound weakling in a Canadain sweater, puching frantically, but landing nothing. This is not an issue for our military, because we really have none compared to Russia and the U.S.; the two largest competitors for the oil in the region. Sit back, shut up, and they'll look after us. Just make sure you lock Peter McKay in his room. Because Putin seems still stuck in this Cold War mentality, I'd say McKay should sit right next to his American counterpart. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Some people are still stuck in Cold War mentality. The Russians are our friends, now. It's a good thing, because diplomacy is the only way we're going to achieve any power in the Arctic. I see a tall guy with a Russian sweater and hand on the head of a 98 pound weakling in a Canadain sweater, puching frantically, but landing nothing. This is not an issue for our military, because we really have none compared to Russia and the U.S.; the two largest competitors for the oil in the region. Sit back, shut up, and they'll look after us. Just make sure you lock Peter McKay in his room. The Russian's are not our friends or allies PT. Neither is China. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Argus Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 Some people are still stuck in Cold War mentality. The Russians are our friends, now. The Russians are our friends the way Paul Bernardo was Kristin French's friend. The Russians HAVE no friends. They're a predatory animal with no ethics, values or restraint other than fear of getting slapped down by the Americans. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 We have a small and aging population. Besides you still have to get people to join up.Military's recruiting efforts fall short The problem of military recruitment is related to DNDs almost complete incompetence rather than a lack of interest in joining the mliitary on the part of young Canadians. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Progressive Tory Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 The Russian's are not our friends or allies PT. Neither is China. Russia are part of NATO as per the NATO-Russia Council The 26 Allies and Russia work together as equal partners in the NATO-Russia Council (NRC), which was established in 2002. The NRC provides a framework for consultation on current security issues and practical cooperation in a wide range of areas of common interest. Its agenda builds on the basis for bilateral cooperation that was set out in the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act. Russia is indeed a friend and ally, despite McKay's ridiculous and fabricated attempt to sound tough. And for China, I'm just going by the new policy of our Prime Minister Harper boosts trade ties with Americans, Chinese OTTAWA -- The Conservative government is bolstering Canada's trade ties with China as it tries to beat back the protectionist threat that could slow the flow of goods with the U.S. But as Harper worked to raise Canada's profile in the U.S., key Conservative ministers unveiled plans to open six new trade offices in China "very shortly." "We will be indeed not only increasing our presence in China, but we will also be increasing our presence in Asia," said Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon. Trade Minister Stockwell Day is planning a trade mission to Beijing designed to open doors to new trade and build on a $2-billion investment on the Asia-Pacific Gateway. Time to upgrade ties with China China another friend and ally. Don't worry Jason Kenney is working hard at turning Great Britain away, so we'll have some new enemies soon. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
.thumb.jpg.9a49e1b2f22a6d34a345152c50044aa9.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.