This Needs To Be Said To Obama!

[Shady]

This is probably a topic more suited for the Rest Of The World section of the forum, but I'm posting it here, because I'd so badly like to see someone speak this to President Obama. It's long overdue.

Daniel Hannan MEP: The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government

He's definitely my new favourite Conservative.

[punked]

This is probably a topic more suited for the Rest Of The World section of the forum, but I'm posting it here, because I'd so badly like to see someone speak this to President Obama. It's long overdue.

Daniel Hannan MEP: The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government

He's definitely my new favourite Conservative.

You mean this guy?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan...or_barack_obama

Your new favourite conservative was for Obama

I LOVE SHADY HE MAKES IT EASY!!!!HAHAHAHA

Edited March 27, 2009 by punked

[GostHacked]

So someome needs to say to Obama that the Britts are in trouble?? Out of the G20, they are the ones who have the most problems??

[Alta4ever]

So someome needs to say to Obama that the Britts are in trouble?? Out of the G20, they are the ones who have the most problems??

Are unable to figure out that the Americans are in about the same shape as the Brits, over leveraged and nothing in the bank?

That is why Obama should listen to the message.

honestly sometimes.....

[punked]

Are unable to figure out that the Americans are in about the same shape as the Brits, over leveraged and nothing in the bank?

That is why Obama should listen to the message.

honestly sometimes.....

AND conservatives should listen some of his other messages

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan...or_barack_obama

Edited March 27, 2009 by punked

[Alta4ever]

AND conservatives should listen some of his other messages

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan...or_barack_obama

we aren't talking about "other" messages, we are talking about this message.

btw your link doesn't work

[punked]

we aren't talking about "other" messages, we are talking about this message.

btw your link doesn't work

Try it again. I know you guys only like to listen to half of someones message it is ok it is part of being a conservative.

[Shady]

You mean this guy?

Yep. That guy. And I'm quite sure that his opinion of Barack Obama, back in March of 2008 (your link), is probably a bit different from his opinion of the present-day Barack Obama. Because the present-day Barack Obama, is Gordon Brown on steroids.

And to Mr. Hannan, I say welcome back sir.

[punked]

Yep. That guy. And I'm quite sure that his opinion of Barack Obama, back in March of 2008 (your link), is probably a bit different from his opinion of the present-day Barack Obama. Because the present-day Barack Obama, is Gordon Brown on steroids.

And to Mr. Hannan, I say welcome back sir.

HAHAHA this from the don't blame me I voted for McCain guy?

HERE you go from 5 days ago still supporting Obama.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan...sown_obama__yet

God I love conservatives. "This guy who supports Obama is the best conservative eva! DON'T SUPPORT OBAMA!"

Edited March 27, 2009 by punked

[Alta4ever]

Try it again. I know you guys only like to listen to half of someones message it is ok it is part of being a conservative.

Sorry we are saying that this message is relevant for Obama to hear. Its all about this message so go again punk try again.

Or is that liberal mentality that stops you from refuting this message, or is it the inablity to see that you obama and many others are wrong on the economic file.

[punked]

Sorry we are saying that this message is relevant for Obama to hear. Its all about this message so go again punk try again.

Or is that liberal mentality that stops you from refuting this message, or is it the inablity to see that you obama and many others are wrong on the economic file.

I am pointing out you must be misinterpreting this guy because he wrote an article supporting Obama 2 days after this message. That or he thinks that conservatives are soooooo bad in America he is willing to support a liberal either way your message is lost because of this.

[Shady]

HERE you go from 5 days ago still supporting Obama.

Do you actually read your sources?

I won't disown Obama - yet <--- gotta love the title!

"Well, I won't deny that Obama has done plenty of irritating things, ranging from the idiotic stimulus packageto the way he dissed the Prime Minister."

Link

Logic suggests it's just a matter of time, because the speech he gave to PM Brown, could be given verbatim to President Obama. Obama's policies are Brown's on steroids. He may not admit it yet, but you just know this hope n change fever has greatly diminished. I give him until the summer before he puts his displeasure in words.

[punked]

Do you actually read your sources?

I won't disown Obama - yet <--- gotta love the title!

"Well, I won't deny that Obama has done plenty of irritating things, ranging from the idiotic stimulus packageto the way he dissed the Prime Minister."

Link

Logic suggests it's just a matter of time, because the speech he gave to PM Brown, could be given verbatim to President Obama. Obama's policies are Brown's on steroids. He may not admit it yet, but you just know this hope n change fever has greatly diminished. I give him until the summer before he puts his displeasure in words.

Ummm correct me if I am wrong but your new Conservative god said Obama will do better then the Republicans? Yes or no?

[Alta4ever]

I am pointing out you must be misinterpreting this guy because he wrote an article supporting Obama 2 days after this message. That or he thinks that conservatives are soooooo bad in America he is willing to support a liberal either way your message is lost because of this.

Why are you so thick headed it isn't about what he thinks of Obama, we are telling you that this rant alpies also to what obama is doing in the US, he (obama) needs to hear this message. You must be truely daft if you can't comprehend this. It isn't about whether or not he supported Obama, or likes Obama, that is not relevant to the thread.

try again.

Are you able to debate the subject of the video or are you going to keep tring to deflect.

[punked]

Why are you so thick headed it isn't about what he thinks of Obama, we are telling you that this rant alpies also to what obama is doing in the US, he (obama) needs to hear this message. You must be truely daft if you can't comprehend this. It isn't about whether or not he supported Obama, or likes Obama, that is not relevant to the thread.

try again.

Are you able to debate the subject of the video or are you going to keep tring to deflect.

I don't think you read the sub title of this thread. Shady (a conservative) has a "new favorite conservative" he supports Obama. This is why I love conservatives "I LOVE WHAT THIS GUY HAS TO SAY UNLESS I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!!!"

[Alta4ever]

I don't think you read the sub title of this thread. Shady (a conservative) has a "new favorite conservative" he supports Obama. This is why I love conservatives "I LOVE WHAT THIS GUY HAS TO SAY UNLESS I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!!!"

Its about what the MEP is saying in this video, THIS video not his blog.

[August1991]

You mean this guy?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan...or_barack_obama

Your new favourite conservative was for Obama

I LOVE SHADY HE MAKES IT EASY!!!!HAHAHAHA

Punked, are you such an Obama partisan as to support a UK Conservative because he supports Obama? Would you say good of bin Laden if he said good of Obama?

In fact, Hannan didn't support Obama - he didn't like McCain:

The trouble is that John McCain is wrong on the key issue of the day. Yes, he has considerable moral authority. And, yes, he's right about a lot of things: tax cuts, states' rights, judicial activism. But he's wrong on the biggie, by which I of course mean British Conservatives' affiliation to the European People's Party. When David Cameron announced that he planned to establish a new, anti-federalist alliance in the European Parliament, McCain obtruded his opinion that that the Tories "should appreciate the support they received from the EPP when they were wandering in the wilderness".

Your link above.

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While I agree with Hannan about how large the UK government has become (and how large Obama wants to make the US federal government), I disagree with his fears about the government deficit and the government debt. And I also disagree (in part) with his criticsm of the European federal union.

In the US, federal debt is about 60% of GDP. Obama intends to borrow another 10% of GDP in 2010. In Japan, government debt is about 190% of GDP. The US federal government can borrow alot more. So too can the UK government.

The problem is not government deficits or government debt. The problem is government spending.

In his column today, Krugman wrote about how the gold standard was an obsession in the 1930s. The equivalent today is Hannan's obsession with government deficit and government debt.

Hannan is wrong about debt. And BTW, he's also wrong about federalism.

[punked]

Punked, are you such an Obama partisan as to support a UK Conservative because he supports Obama? Would you say good of bin Laden if he said good of Obama?

In fact, Hannan didn't support Obama - he didn't like McCain:Your link above.

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While I agree with Hannan about how large the UK government has become (and how large Obama wants to make the US federal government), I disagree with his fears about the government deficit and the government debt. And I also disagree (in part) with his criticsm of the European federal union.

In the US, federal debt is about 60% of GDP. Obama intends to borrow another 10% of GDP in 2010. In Japan, government debt is about 190% of GDP. The US federal government can borrow alot more. So too can the UK government.

The problem is not government deficits or government debt. The problem is government spending.

In his column today, Krugman wrote about how the gold standard was an obsession in the 1930s. The equivalent today is Hannan's obsession with government deficit and government debt.

Hannan is wrong about debt. And BTW, he's also wrong about federalism.

I agree this conservative is wrong about many things as most conservatives are. Although I was pointing out he supports Obama.

[August1991]

I agree this conservative is wrong about many things as most conservatives are. Although I was pointing out he supports Obama.

And for you punked, that seems to be the sole AIDS/litmus test of relevance: Do you support Obama?

To you punked, Obama is Stalin. IMHO, about 30% of Americans think as you do and even when things go horribly wrong, you and they will likely believe that "It's not Obama. It's the people around him."

Bush Jnr and Snr, to their credit, never inspired or encouraged such blind faith.

Edited March 28, 2009 by August1991

[punked]

And for you punked, that seems to be the sole AIDS/litmus test of relevance: Do you support Obama?

To you punked, Obama is Stalin. IMHO, about 30% of Americans think as you do and even when things go horribly wrong, you and they will likely believe that "It's not Obama. It's the people around him."

Bush Jnr and Snr, to their credit, never inspired or encouraged such blind faith.

Is that stat from the right direction/wrong direction poll, which is up 15% from when Bush was in charge and still on the upward track, or another one?

[August1991]

Is that stat from the right direction/wrong direction poll, which is up 15% from when Bush was in charge and still on the upward track, or another one?

Stats? I think you miss the main point. The people who support Obama (like you) blindly support him. Obama knows this. No one blindly supported Bush Jnr (and Bush Jnr knew this).

If you want some stats, I suspect that Obama's support will fall at worse to about 30% and then whatever happens or whatever he does, it will stay there. About 30% of Americans will blame the people around Obama for anything bad while continuing to believe that Obama is "a good man". (That's what many Russian said about Stalin.)

Obama may turn out to be a good president but I don't think any leader benefits from cult status. IMV, a good leader is questioned/unpopular but wins democratic elections.

In 2008, Obama didn't win a landslide (about 47% of voting Americans didn't choose him). To me, I'd like to see Obama give a speech when a majority of Americans are arrayed against his proposal. Nixon, Truman and Reagan faced such situations - and succeeded. Now then, if Obama can get out of a pickle, and do good, then he'll be a good president.

Edited March 28, 2009 by August1991

[punked]

Stats? I think you miss the main point. The people who support Obama (like you) blindly support him. Obama knows this. No one blindly supported Bush Jnr (and Bush Jnr knew this).

If you want some stats, I suspect that Obama's support will fall at worse to about 30% and then whatever happens or whatever he does, it will stay there. About 30% of Americans will blame the people around Obama for anything bad while continuing to believe that Obama is "a good man".

Obama may turn out to be a good president but I don't think any leader benefits from cult status. IMV, a good leader is questioned/unpopular but wins democratic elections.

Obama didn't win a landslide (about 47% of voting Americans didn't choose him). To me, I'd like to see Obama give a speech when a majority of Americans are arrayed against his proposal. Nixon, Truman and Reagan faced such situations - and succeeded.

Obama won with the Largest margin of victory in 20 years or maybe you forget that. If he can hold at 30% support he will still be better then Bush, Congressional Republicans, and Senate Republicans. Although right now he has a 65% approval rating so I think you need to stop with the lies.

How about instead of giving a speech when Americans are against him, he gives a speech keeping Americans with him like FDR, Kennedy, and Eisenhower I like that option better sometimes you have to do what is best for country and what the people want at the sametime like truly great presidents.

Edited March 28, 2009 by punked

[August1991]

Obama won with the Largest margin of victory in 20 years or maybe you forget that. If he can hold at 30% support he will still be better then Bush, Congressional Republicans, and Senate Republicans. Although right now he has a 65% approval rating so I think you need to stop with the lies.

That claim is misleading. Bush Jnr was a controversial president. Ross Perot took votes in 1996 and 1992.

I agree however that Obama had a convincing win in 2008.

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Punked, I think you miss my point. The Left once said that journalists should "Speak Truth to Power". In the 1960s, people said "Question Authority".

Well, Obama is now Power and Authority. Where is the questioning, and where is the truth? Rather, this strikes me as a cult - like Stalin. (Stalinism may seem archaic to you now but at the time, it was similar to your belief in Obama. People believed that Stalin would solve all the ills of society.)

Edited March 28, 2009 by August1991

[punked]

That claim is misleading. Bush Jnr was a controversial president. Ross Perot took votes in 1996 and 1992.

I agree however that Obama had a convincing win in 2008.

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Punked, I think you miss my point. The Left once said that journalists should "Speak Truth to Power". In the 1960s, people said "Question Authority".

Well, Obama is now Power and Authority. Where is the questioning, and where is the truth? Rather, this strikes me as a cult - like Stalin. (Stalinism may seem archaic to you now but at the time, it was similar to your belief in Obama. People believed that Stalin would solve all the ills of society.)

Funny the left seems to be asking the same questions. Where is the truth? Considering the media is trying to drum controversy over Obama where there is none (Teleprompter, why did it take 2 days to have a press conference, birth certificates, blah blah blah need I go on? The netroots has to police them as they ask dumb and dumber questions of him. Where is the truth.

I would also like to make the point that, comparing Obama to Stalin a guy who killed 20 million people just makes you look silly August. Obama is not Stalin and I am no longer even going to address that point because it belittles those who died under that dictator. I think you should retract that less offend those who suffered under forced obedience.

[August1991]

Funny the left seems to be asking the same questions. Where is the truth? Considering the media is trying to drum controversy over Obama where there is none (Teleprompter, why did it take 2 days to have a press conference, birth certificates, blah blah blah need I go on? The netroots has to police them as they ask dumb and dumber questions of him. Where is the truth.

Media, teleprompter? The "power" is presumably in the White House. "Truth", dunno.

I would also like to make the point that, comparing Obama to Stalin a guy who killed 20 million people just makes you look silly August. Obama is not Stalin and I am no longer even going to address that point because it belittles those who died under that dictator. I think you should retract that less offend those who suffered under forced obedience.

Stalin? How many apparently died under Bush Jnr?

Punked, Obama is Stalin and if you don't see this, you (and possibly Obama) are making a grave mistake. I suspect that Obama and his advisors already know this. They are talking about "living under the bubble". IOW, Obama does not want to be a cult leader.

The US is a great country. Obama has only one other election, and its Parliament (Senate/House) have their own elections. The US is a federal State.

Punked, the US Constitution protects Americans against Stalinists such as you. Obama cannot do much. (BTW, Stalin caused great harm to people, in addition to those who died. I object to blind cults. I question authority, even Obama's presidency.)

Edited March 28, 2009 by August1991